Orchestrating Smarter AI Systems with AI21 Labs’ Yoav Shoham | AI Basics with Google Cloud

In this episode of AI Basics, Jason sits down with Yoav Shoham — Stanford professor emeritus and co-founder of AI21 Labs, creators of Jurassic-2, Wordtune, and the new orchestration system Maestro.

They unpack:

• Why enterprise AI struggles with reliability • What orchestration really means (and why LLMs alone aren't enough) • The pitfalls of “agent-washing” • Small vs large models, agent-to-agent protocols, and where real opportunities lie

This one is for founders building with AI — if you're navigating hallucinations, chasing automation, or exploring multi-agent workflows, this episode is a must.

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Timestamps:

(0:00) Yoav Shoham joins Jason to discuss AI Basics.

(1:05) What AI21 Labs is building — from Jurassic-2 to Maestro

(5:49) The overuse and confusion of the seductive term “agent”

(8:22) Small models vs large models: what's best for enterprise?

(10:53) The verticalization of AI: legal, accounting, and beyond

(12:17) The challenge of agent-to-agent communication and shared semantics

(17:08) What’s overhyped vs underhyped in AI — Yoav’s advice for founders

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Links from episde:

Google Cloud • — Build smarter with AI tools built for startups AI21 Labs • — Makers of Wordtune, Jurassic-2, and Maestro Maestro • — Orchestrate AI agents and tools across workflows Jamba • — AI21’s hybrid language model with breakthrough efficiency

Learn About Google’s A2A (Agent-to-Agent) Protocol

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