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Mannah Guldager

Therapeutic Astrology Podcast by Mannah (TAP) is a place to hang out with the mystery of life, of you, pointed to by the forgotten languages of the soul. We are at the intersection of modern psychology, trauma healing, and inner awakening - with astrology as my foundational perspective. I'm Mannah, an eternal student, but with a neurodivergent brain (and no earth in my chart) I'm better at interviewing my teachers than sitting still in a classroom. 
I seek to inspire you through my explorative conversations with therapists, authors, healers, creatives, and thought leaders of our time. In common, my variety of guests all counter the fragmented modern lives in one way of another. Where some engage in an embodied spiritual life, others bring researched information to help us understand the nuances of this magical living nature we are in. 

A note on the Astrology in "Therapeutic Astrology Podcast"

Once in a while, I speak to fellow "therapeutic astrologers," and we nerd out on how to combine astrology and therapy in practice, but most of this podcast is interviews with authors who are not that into astrology themselves. 
The name is based on my preference of combining traume therapy with ancient wisdom, and the fact that in each episode I spend a few moments tapping into my guest's birth chart and relate it to our conversation. 

I just think astrology should somehow be part of all conversations but not through just talking about it, words can be so limiting, rather, as a cosmological way of sensing into the extraordinary depth of our shared human experience. My language is Evolutionary Astrology, and that is a great fit to modern trauma healing understandings.

Let's TAP in together - no matter where you are at in life, you have a place to call Whole.

My english website: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com

Mannah, Interviewer & Therapeutic Astrologer

Copenhagen, May of 2023

Therapeutic Astrology Podcast

"When our cries go unanswered, we find ourselves having to shout louder. It is easy to see how these attempts to be praised can be misread and labelled incorrectly as arrogance, misbehavior, or being a show-off. As a result, it may feel as if we are being told that our need for mirroring is in some way bad or wrong. In being misunderstood, our developmental needs can be misconstrued, and a distorted story may be told about who we are. Sadly, we often internalize these stories and labels and, in doing so, inadvertently deny and exile the vulnerability of our own needs. Misunderstandings of this nature occur not only during our development, but also in our daily lives." Just one of the MANY great quotes from my psychotherapist -guest today, Joe Pawson, from his book "Dependency and Denial: The Stories That Divide Us" (Karnac, 2026)
 
This became a deep conversation about how we NEED each other. And in a culture that idealizes self-sufficiency, our dependency, our need for others, becomes something we exile and DENY. Joe Pawson talks about how the stories we create protect us from pain, but also separate us, separation from each other and from ourselves. He is excellent with words (AND EMPATHY), so slow everything down and go into a reflective space with us as we talk about:
 
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Why our connection to each other can be both the source of our wounds and part of the remedy
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Anxious and avoidant attachment, and what may exist underneath the attachment styles themselves
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How falling in love reactivates some of our earliest hopes, fears and developmental wounds
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Denial as a way of creating maps and stories that make life, pain and trauma more manageable
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How we can internalize the message that our needs are too much, silly, weak or unwanted
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The moments in therapy where a client begins to become vulnerable and then suddenly interrupts, minimizes or dismisses their own experience - before the therapist does (?!) We have a long segment on denial in therapy setting- and also we come to talk about the therapist's own vulnerability, the willingness wo be in the unknown 
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How TRAGIC misunderstandings happen when we cannot see the vulnerability underneath another person's behavior
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Projected vulnerability and what happens as when we see what is ours in other people
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Buddhist ideas of interdependence, the illusion of a completely separate self and the difficulty of seeing beyond the maps through which we understand reality
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The idea that the key to reconnecting with greater wholeness may lie precisely in the vulnerabilities we have abandoned
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THEN I look at Joe's huge Cancer energy and in particular I say something about Mars in Cancer, and we explore Mars as the warrior who can protect vulnerability and tender places- It goes into his relationship to politics and ability to stay with the larger picture rather than concrete and limiting solutions.
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 -IN THE VERY END I challenge Joe to come up with a good not activating ending, as we talk about goodbyes in therapy. 
 
I hope you will love this! I have had the book with me all summer and have just enjoyed reading it slowly, taking in his beautifully put words and feeling into my own huge longing for more closeness in this world. PS another quote: "Breaking down can become breaking through when there is someone there to hold us - as we fall apart" !!
 
-Mannah
 
LINKS:
 
the book:
 
 https://www.karnacbooks.com/product/dependency-and-denial-the-stories-that-divide-us/98431/
 
my guest:
 
https://www.jppsychotherapy.co.uk/
 
myself:
 
https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
 
 
 
youtube edition: https://youtu.be/S51zXfhXvU4
 
my preferred place to listen: https://podimo.com/s/m8a0anov

#168 - Joseph Pawson: Dependency and Denial - The Stories That Divide Us

Sherrie Campbell, PhD, is a licensed psychologist who specializes in helping healthy people cut ties with toxic family members. She is a nationally recognized expert on family estrangement, an inspirational speaker, a social media influencer, and author of many books on the theme of toxic and abusive family and how to heal while navigating those biological relationships. In this episode of Therapeutic Astrology Podcast, we tap deeply into toxic family dynamics, emotional abuse, boundaries, family estrangement and healing of it!
 
Our conversation centers especially around Dr. Sherries latest published book, "You Are Home: Heal from Family Trauma, Establish Boundaries, and Find a Place of Peace and Safety" from 2026. Sherrie speaks not only as a psychologist, but as a survivor who has lived what she writes about! She describes her own journey of breaking free from a toxic family system, "turning predators into purpose," healing out loud, and moving toward redemption rather than revenge and in the book she gives a plan of how to rebuild yourself as your own home after emotionally abuse.
 
TAP in as we go into topics such has:
 
• Family estrangement and why going no contact still challenges such a powerful cultural taboo
 
• Why severing ties with family is rarely a sudden decision, but often the end of a very long history of trying, hoping and being hurt again
 
• Therapists can support clients exploring estrangement without imposing their own beliefs and judgements about family
 
• THE WHY of toxic parenting -why they behave as they do don't matter
 
• Closure, maladaptive guilt, gaslighting and boundaries
 
• The central metaphor in the book, is that you are your own house! your own structure that belong to you
 
• We go through the floors, beginning with the basement and our "monsters" 
 
• I also ask Sherrie about the term "the bottom will fall out" 
 
• Boundaries as different levels of access: the porch, the yard, the fence and, when necessary, no contact
 
• The difference between imperfect parenting and emotional abuse touching on the importance of repair, accountability and making sure a child does not become responsible for a parent's emotions
 
• Emotional regulation as allowing yourself to fully feel rather than feeling less 
 
• The top floor of the house is your autonomy, and being able to reclaime your identity 
 
• Radical acceptance versus forgiveness
 
• Becoming your own greatest family and developing a rich inner world that does not depend entirely on other people
 
Toward the end, we move into astrology, exploring Sherrie's Aries and Libra signatures and her Sun–Chiron conjunction, and the spiritual support she has experienced during some of the darkest periods of her life, esepcially during her Neptune Square.
 
Hope you get much of this one - recommend it for someone who have had to cut ties with family
 
LINKS:
 
https://drsherriecampbell.com/
 
Sherries own podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sherapy-sessions-the-hows-of-healing-hidden-family-trauma/id1591691842
 
Mannah:
 
https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
 
support me on: https://podimo.com/s/m8a0anov
 
watch on youtube: https://youtu.be/qzwVh5ygK64

#167 - Dr. Sherrie Campbell: Cutting Ties with Toxic Family - Rebuild your HOME - Heal from Family Trauma

"The more sensitive someone is, the more crucial it is that they embody this other quality if their sensitivity is to inform their wholeness rather than disrupt it." & "If our sensitivities open us to the resonances of the world, it is another capacity that enables us to "gather" what is gleaned rather that being overwhelmed or knocked off balance by it: a capacity that enables us to be "collected"—to deepen into our wholeness and assimilate What Is. We might call this integrative quality 'groundedness'. (Radical Wholeness, 2017, Philip Shepherd - it makes even more sense when read in full context of the book, I just wanted to introduce you to his perspective a little when it comes to sensitivity) 
 
Welcome to the second part of my conversation with Philip Shepherd, who is an Embodiment expert, author and co-director of The Embodied Present Process. In this episode we continue to talk about his book RADICAL WHOLENESS, but this time with an emphasis on SENSITIVITY. Basically we learn how sensitivity is a form of intelligence!
 
I begin the interview by quoting him: "When your heart yearns to surrender to the freedom of your wholeness, the journey that beckons is one that has never been made before: no one has ever stepped into your wholeness, and no one can predict where it will take you. You are treading into the unknown. You are opening the body's sensitivities to the thriving wakefulness of the Present living through your being."
 
THEN here is some of the places we go:
 
-Sensitivity to hearing and understanding what you are here to do/your service
 
-Feeling the necessity rather than being pulled away by society
 
-Feel the earth to bring coherence to the sensitivity, and how we learned not to trust the earth and how that will help us join something larger than ourselves
 
-Sensitivity in the education system - I am here thinking of this quote: "Imagine, for a moment, how radically different an education system would be if 1) its aim were to foster intelligence rather than mere learning; 2) it understood intelligence to be 'grounded sensitivity'; and 3) it recognized that the attunement of each child's intelligence to the world is unique."
 
-Reward and punishment, is that the best education? or could we ignite students fire?
 
-Philip shares WHY he cares about sensitivity in the school system 
 
-This desensitized realm that seeks to dominate through a top-down relationship
 
-Some ideas on why more people are being diagnosed as autistic
 
-Can we trust the senses? Or the logic more?
 
-Walking in the woods can be while remaining in the head, rather than being in the present, we need to learn from nature
 
-Sexuality and the embodied present process 
 
-The wound is reinforced by the school system. Our being and thinking are in fact ONE
 
-Bodyworld,the unity of the self: I am inseparable from the world
 
-Responsebility over idependence 
 
-What happens when we shut down sensitivity 
 
-Being held by the Present
 
-Reality rather than over ideas about reality
 
-Rather than organizing ourselves and the bind of self-consciousness, we can be organized and guided by the present
 
-My body knows...there is a belonging
 
-Coming back to the body is coming back to sensitivity 
 
-A Surrender that EMPOWERS you
 
-Your fluidity 
 
-Question what has shaped you, so that you have a choice
 
-Philip - on a listeners request- shares a bit about his bike journey at 17 from England to Japan where he found the limitations of his own culture 
 
-HEAR THIS: I knew that if I stayed within my culture, my aliveness would be diminished!!! (Philip is so quotable!)
 
-The pelvic bowl...drop your center of your thinking there
 
-WHEN sensitivity gets dangerous! ...and when it can be SAFE to FEEL
 
Hope you love it. I'll keep reading Philip Shepherd, and I hope to speak with him more in the future. I feel he has some urgently important things to say to our time, and that his work can be therapeutic even through the way it is written, in a more poetic language that I feel engages more of me than usual. 
 
LINKS
 
find this episode on youtube: https://youtu.be/NCF4_wQJ458
 
Find Philip Shepherd here:
 
https://embodiedpresent.com/
 
the embodied practises: https://embodiedpresent.com/pages/embodiment-practices-for-uncertain-times
 
Philips books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B003VO31LC
 
Mannah:
 
https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/

#166 - Philip Shepherd: Ground and Heighten Your Sensitivity to Live More Intelligently AND: How to Feel SAFE When Sensitive (p.2.)

Okay a long quote, but seriously, check it out: "We feel ourselves held within a personal boundary that keeps our life separate from that of the world. It's hard to appreciate how strangely normalized that state of ours is until we look to other cultures for comparison. When we seek to promote our personal well-being, for instance, we might think about taking the right supplements, eating organic food, exercising regularly and sleeping well.
 
I have no issue with any of that—but it's based on an assumption that health will be achieved by doing the right things to the body. So our focus is on the self as an isolated entity, as though it were a machine requiring upkeep. For Anlo-Ewe speakers, well-being is something quite different. It has to be, for they experience the self as porous rather than enclosed.
 
For instance, the Anlo-Ewe sense of personhood is described as having a "nonboundedness and a lack of the kind of unitary wholeness of being that is characteristic of Western psychologies of the self." This reflects the Anlo-Ewe understanding of being itself: "Not stable, being is highly changeable, always in transformation."
 
(Philip Shepherd, Radical Wholeness: The Embodied Present and the Ordinary Grace of Being,page 15-16 (North Atlantic Books, 2017)
 
I feel this so deeply - I can only hope it reaches you as well, because I am talking life-changing with this interview, feel into what Philip is saying, is my advice in this first of a two-part series on Radical Wholeness. Enjoy this interview with teacher and author Philip Shepherd, who has developed "The Embodied Present Process" (TEPP) together with Allyson Woodrooffe. He is originally an actor, and a counter-culture biker, if I should name it, and the way he shares is also an experience, that might resonate for you too. TAP in with us as we
 
in this first interview speak about:
 
-What deep fitness is about around tapping into the bodies intelligence 
 
-How thinking moved from the belly to the head!
 
-Feel-Feel-at-Flesh-Inside
 
-We are in a Story culturally, can we step outside of it?
 
-How the process of balancing presents us with a model in which the self is not encased within a boundary but is oriented in the world by a fluid, felt partnership. 
 
-Why we are teaching our children that it's better to think with a portion of their beings than to think with the whole of their beings
 
-Spatioception is a sense that everyone is born with
 
-Presentation mode that manipulates versus being present that is relationship and receptive
 
-Every sense is felt in the body's resonance
 
-Our relationship to the body is our fundamental relationship, and the underlying template for all of our other relationships and hiw that relates to the meta-crisis we are in
 
-New terms rather than exteroception and proprioception -a term to tell you where space is in your body!
 
-'as we relate to the body, so we relate to the world'
 
-Philip Shepherds personal motto !!!! It is so valuable
 
-Thinking and being are not two different entities
 
-Security and safety
 
-Out primary wound
 
-There is an Inner Ocean in Your Body - You Are Fluid- Breath is an Experience of the World Passing Through You
 
 (I considered all this to be the title!!)
 
-Our body's intelligence has been fractured 
 
-You can integrate what has been stuck within the body
 
-the body as a bell
 
-A little comment on a significant Pluto transit where it applies pressure to whatever you've been quietly clinging to for a sense of safety, in order to expand conciousness and uncover Truth. I found this date from a talk Philip did, where he mentions the story also in the book, but you can find his bike-story by googling "Philip Shepherd's Bicycle Journey".
 
 
 
LINKS
 
Please enjoy these wonderful embodied practises for yourself, that Philip offers here:
 
 https://embodiedpresent.com/pages/embodiment-practices-for-uncertain-times
 
Here is the book we speak of today: https://a.co/d/0gRa4Yxc
 
And it is also on audiobook, whereever you listen to books
 
youtube version: https://youtu.be/WhUpDldXC-E
 
See his website here: https://embodiedpresent.com/
 
 
 
More Mannah? you got it! https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/

#165 - Philip Shepherd: Softening Into a Porous Relationship With the Present - Radical Wholeness (p.1.)

"Somewhere inside you there is a wildness that yearns to be acknowledged and seen, honoured and cherished, brought into the light. That untamed sliver of self is in all of us". Welcome to an insightful and wide-ranging conversation with Christina Rodenbeck about her book "Lilith Untamed: A Guide to the Astrological Black Moon" (The Wessex Astrologer, 2026, the above quote is from the very beginning of the book).
 
Christina has a long experience with tracking Black Moon Lilith (BML) she started from scratch and tested whether the assumptions about the Lilith archetype actually held water, rather than inheriting them. In this episode, she introduces us to some of the key themes of the book and she is totally great at it probably because of her on Lilith placement!
 
Mythologically we can say that Lilith was a Hebrew she-devil/ Adam's first wife, formed from the same clay he was. She refused to lie beneath him during intercourse, arguing they were equals, spoke God's name, grew wings, and flew off to the desert and there accepted that a hundred of her children would die daily! What does this archetype have to do with us? According to Christina Rodenbeck A LOT. The book is her attempt to bring understanding of the astrological Lilith up to date and to make her as important a point in interpretation as, say, the Nodes of the Moon.
 
TAP in with us as we speak about this important and rejected archetype. Some of the points in our conversation are around:
 
-The way Lilith shows up archetypically, in her books Christina lists these 9 ways: Rebel / independent woman- Wild woman / innocent in the wilderness- Adulteress, seductress, sexual vampire / erotically liberated- Victim of abuse / avenger- Killer of infants / mother of millions- Independent woman / serial killer- Femme fatale / sexually fulfilled- The joker- Extraordinary or prolific talent
 
-Examples of public figures as Lilith symbols (extra point there, she stresses that the untamed self of Lilith is gender-fluid !!)
 
-Christinas own client cases plus her own lilith experience right on the day we were meeting!
 
-The space between the true and mean Lilith as a kind of power corridor in the chart, that Christina labels the "Via Lamia"
 
-What it is technically, because Black Moon Lilith is neither planet, asteroid, nor star, but a mathematical point. It is the Moon's apogee, the point in its elliptical orbit furthest from Earth. Kepler identified the point in the 17th century; the name Lilith was only attached in the 1930s.
 
-How Lilth relates to initiations and love affairs
 
-Light and shadow, what else are we
 
-Loving your own Lilith
 
-Tracking BML for example your Lilith Return comes every nine years
 
-Why Christina looks forward to BML moving into capricorn 
 
Thank you for being with us!!! Here are some links for you to look at further:
 
LINKS:
 
youtube version: https://youtu.be/ZcZF24CTtz8
 
the book: https://a.co/d/09KtIDFB
 
Christina Rodenbeck: https://oxfordastrologer.com/
 
and
 
My website: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
 
support me by listening to the podcast at https://podimo.com/s/m8a0anov

#164 - Christina Rodenbeck: Lilith Untamed - Making the Case for Black Moon Lilith: The Astrological Lilith

"I've stared into the eyes of that beast, and it's shown me what it is. And I'm not looking away anymore. In some ways, that's shattering — but at the same time, it's a relief, because I don't have to pretend that beast isn't there anymore." Spirituel teacher Jack Morrigan shares how he feel unburdened of the need to resist or pretend that things are different than they are! 
 
In this interview we hear of Jack's awakening and the start of his profession as a dragon channeler. Jack was originally a junior researcher in psychiatry-related research at UK universities (including the Institute of Psychiatry in London) before a Kundalini awakening experience redirected him toward spirituality and channeling about a decade ago - something he was absolutely not into before!!! But what also happens in this interview is that Jack shares about a very current situation a breaking point he's living through right now. After being "kicked out" from a non-dual spirituality Facebook group he has become aware of something much deeper, that that humanity is facing genuine catastrophe. Listen and I think you will honestly love sinking into it with me, because Jack speaks in such an honest and inviting way or unhurried way, and his voice itself is mesmerizing, so I am incredible thankful for this episode that turned into a firsthand witness account from the underworld, the perception through which Scorpio sees.
 
Another - or in face the same- reason this is a special episode, is that we are right on the full moon with all the shift of nodes into Leo and Aqurius and "The Four Degree Pattern" with Jupiter at 4° in Leo opposing Pluto at 4° in Aquarius and Neptune at 4° in Aries sextiling Uranus at 4° in Gemini - a pattern we expect to turn things around in a massive way, transpersonal planets being involved, also in eclipse season, lots are going on right now! Therefore it is not so strange that Jack is talking about shattering in this interview, where we could relate the theme to say he's in this raw, cracked-open place where even good intentions, his desire to save the world, are revealed to himself as another form of that same need for specialness and control. That's very Leo-South-Node, and the even he shares where a spiritual collective (Aquarius) revealing its shadow use of power (Pluto), because people in the group needed to be "the most awake person in the room" rather than actually awakening. Also just with Neptune in Aries being so activated now, this emphasis on dissolving the mask, the persona we can relate to Jack refusing to be "the dragon guy" all of which I think is part of his personal Neptune square eventually leading to a higher love
 
 - And so we could continue to relate and relate to the astrology of our times, but just in essence with the nodal shift what's genuine outweighs what's popular, and a new movement is now seeded, if not in fact rising!
 
 From the Plutonian/scorpio phase we outgrow the old psychic architecture first.
 
 Anyway thank you for listening
 
 LINKS
 
 https://www.jackmorrigan.com/
 
 his youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@myrisingrose
 
 Mannah:
 
 https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
 
 Youtube edition: https://youtu.be/XkNOxoXLSU4

#163 - Jack Morrigan: I've Stared Into the Eyes of the Beast - Something Has to Break - We Could be Facing an Actual Apocalypse

Quote from the magical writings: "The dead living in their memories, are, I am persuaded, the source of all that we call instinct, and it is their love and their desire, all unknowing, that make us drive beyond our reason, or in defiance of our interest it may be; and it is the dream martens that, all unknowing, are master-masons to the living martens building about church windows their elaborate nests; and in their turn, the phantoms are stung to a keener delight from a concord between their luminous pure vehicle and our strong senses"
 
John Michael Greer is back with us here on tap- this time to talk about his latest book, "The Magical Writings of W. B. Yeats: The Original "A Vision" and Other Essays on Occultism". This collection brings together Yeats' esoteric writings for the first time in one volume, opening a doorway into a body of work that many readers of Yeats have never read!!! 
 
We begin with the fact that Yeats' occult writings have long remained "an unfortunate omission" from the literature, before exploring some of the central ideas that run through the collection. John helps us understand the channelled concepts of the Mask, the Will, the Creative Mind and the Body of Fate plus the meaning of the Anti-Self, the constant mediumship and inspiration going on AND the influence of the dead!! We also talk about the striking parallels John sees between Irish and Japanese folk occultism.
 
TAP in with therapeutic astrology podcast as we open to the cosmos an learn with such a brilliant writer and thinker, John Michael Greer, We speak about:
 
-Why Yeats' occult writings remained scattered for so long—and why John decided to collect them.
 
-The power couple of Yeats and Georgina ("Georgie") Hyde-Lees, Yeats' wife and collaborator on the automatic writing that became the foundation of A Vision.
 
-"A mysterious contact is perceptible first in painting and then in poetry and last in prose."
 
-Carl Jung had a copy of "A Vision"
 
-There are four interwoven dimensions of A Vision, quote: "The first is a study of human personality, the second an innovative system of occult philosophy, the third an account of the cycles of history, and the fourth a description of the afterlife—and all four of these unfold from the same symbolic structure, share the same philosophical outlook, and interleaf with one another in a galaxy of ways."
 
-How our deepest thoughts sometimes seem to come from elsewhere - a stream of images
 
-The soul's continued development after death 
 
-Cycles of history and why civilizations move through recurring phases rather than linear progress
 
-Yeats believed the imagination opens us to "an invisible commerce of reverie and of sleep."
 
-How Yeats wanted to start an order, see this quote: "I planned a mystical Order which should buy or hire the castle, and keep it as a place where its members could retire for a while for contemplation, and where we might establish mysteries like those of Eleusis and Samothrace; and for ten years to come my most impassioned thought was a vain attempt to find philosophy and to create ritual for that Order."
 
-How irish is poetry - see this quote: "An impulse towards what is definite and sensuous, and an indifference towards the abstract and the general, are the lineaments, as I understand the word, of all that comes not from the learned, but out of common antiquity, out of the "folk" as we say, and in certain languages, Irish for instance—and these languages are all poetry—it is not possible to speak an abstract thought."
 
-How Yeats and his wife was great astrologers!!!
 
If you've only known Yeats as a poet, this conversation offers a glimpse into the esoteric vision that informed so much of his work and this conversation with John Michael Greer oh man, it is so informative, inspiring and helpful in explaining these invisible workings. John is a wonderful Gemini as was Yeats!
 
 
 
LINKS:
 
https://ecosophia.net/
 
the book: https://spirit.aeonbooks.com/product/magical-writings-of-wb-yeats/95401
 
 
 
Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
 
youtube edition of this programme: https://youtu.be/cuwma60tggQ

#162 - John Michael Greer: The Magical Writings of W.B. Yeats - The Reality Behind Folk Belief & Poetry

WARNING: REALLY RICH EPISODE, You will meet Jessica DiRuzza who is a depth psychotherapist and has Trust Psyche School of Astrology and Depth Psychology - For many years, she has been doing what Therapeutic Astrology is all about - that is, integrating the wisdom of depth psychology and astrology, helping people heal through both symbolic and therapeutic conversations.
 
In THIS conversation, you are about to her, we explore exactly that- the meeting of psychotherapy and astrology and our main focus today is on neurodivergence!! Can it be seen in the birthchart? And if so, how? Jessica views neurodiversity as a necessary part of human evolution !
 
Here are some of what we talk about:
 
-Jessicas embodied astrology practise 
 
-The limitation of one session of astrology and the importance of safety, trust, and time when working with trauma and deep psychological change 
 
-Meeting each client where they are instead of relying on a single therapeutic model
 
-Neurodiversity and why so many astrologers are naturally drawn to symbolic pattern recognition
 
-The relationship between neurodivergence, trauma, and living in a world that isn't always designed for different nervous systems. This conversation is definitivly with a neuroaffirming perspective !! We both share vulnerable accomodations to a disability
 
-Interventions - is it the right word??
 
-Jessica shares about "twice exceptional" and how extraordinary gifts can mask invisible disabilities
 
-Hyper- and hypo-sensitivity EXPLAINED really well - and of course remember that our greatest gifts often emerge from the same place as our deepest challenges!
 
-Chiron as a symbol of the universal human wound (what does Chiron have to do with neurodivergence??)
 
-Jessica is big on the value of PARADOX (libra south node perhaps) 
 
-Spotting neurdiversity in the chart...well...it is symbolism not causation!
 
-we are reminded of the danger of dogmatism in both astrology and psychotherapy
 
-Why every astrologer works from an underlying metaphysics!
 
-My suggestion of Pisces and Aquarius to have a special relationship with neurodivergence, because of their otherworldliness (Neptune, Uranus, 12 og 11th house signatures of course also)
 
If you know Jessica's work, you'll know she has produced many inspiring lectures and teachings online, see links below:
 
 
 
LINKS:
 
 
 
https://trustpsyche.com/about/
 
https://www.youtube.com/@TrustPsyche
 
 
 
Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
 
Youtube edition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_z9D06N3y8

#161 - Jessica DiRuzza - Neurodivergence & Therapeutic Astrology - Trust Psyche

"We have more lives than we can imagine to make our dreams come true, to see our prayers answered. To see with the eyes of the dead is to know that our story is a long story with so many more twists and turns and returns than we can imagine. To see with the eyes of the dead is to know that the future stretches before us into eternity and there is all the time in the world for the magic of life itself."
 
Quote from the book "Mothers of Magic" by my guest today, Perdita Finn, whose work offers a profoundly enriching vision for humanity. As an Aquarius, she embodies the archetype's gift for seeing beyond convention and imagining new ways of being together. Because....Our bodily appetites and our spiritual hungers were never meant to be pulled apart, as she says. TAP in with us as we speak about:
 
-"Mother" is not an individual identity but a collective reality
 
-You don't own your baby - plus one woman should not be responsible for feeding the baby
 
-Male mothers
 
-They are telling us who we should be, not who we used to be!
 
-To call out to mountain mothers, plant mothers and ancinent mothers from BEFORE civilisation 
 
-We dont have to heal our dead grandparents
 
-The de-demonizing of talking to the dead
 
-The long story and the empowerent of the dead
 
-What it is to live in the longer story
 
-this quote is essential: "I did not think of my ancestors as a lineage of names to which I was connected biologically but rather an entangled root system of beings who were the very ground from which I grew. All the dead who had ever been were our dead, were my dead, were there for me to call upon when I needed help."
 
-Sugar Addiction seriously!! See this quote again from the book we speak about: 
 
 "I needed to dive deep into the depths of time, the depths of my own soul, to call forth the guidance not just of my mother and my grandmother but an entire ocean of ancestral mothers and grandmothers. Only they could help me get sober."
 
 -Addiction and Civilization!!! Maybe we have to trust the long story of our souls—so much longer than a lifetime, a species, or an epoch—in order to find our way back to real sobriety!!!!!
 
-FORGIVENESS (take back the magic)
 
-TO SEE WITH THE EYES OF THE DEAD (before dying yourself)
 
Uh and so much more- stick around for it all, a very inspiring interview!
 
Find more on Perdita Finn here:
 
https://takebackthemagic.com/about-perdita/
 
the book we speak of: https://a.co/d/03YPtUvB
 
Her writings on substack: https://perditafinn.substack.com/
 
this episode on youtube: https://youtu.be/_cFSTzMIs-0
 
Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/

#160 - Perdita Finn: Mothers of Magic - Summoning the Wisdom of our Ancestors

Mirek Kanik is a psychotherapist, hypnotherapist and dynamic life coach based near Perth in Western Australia. He is author of the 2015 book: "I Am a Modern Mystic - So Are You: How to Engage Your Intuition for Real Change", which we dive into in this episode. TAP in to be inspired around how to allow for more mysticism in your own therapeutic practise. Here is some of what we talk about:
 
-Mireks definition of mysticism and a mystic
 
-Experiences with modern mysticism in psychotherapy
 
-Mysticism as a therapeutic tool
 
-How we sense each other and in fact can never lie to anybody
 
-The flow point in therapy
 
-How advice is in fact dis-respectful
 
-Fear of the unknown & brain functioning 
 
-Heart and brain coherence (is heart or brain most important?)
 
-TRANCE- flow- the in-between -the sleep-like state
 
-Just as we having a fun time, I bring up the DARK mysticism! In the notes to Mirek writes: "Dark mysticism may emerge through experiences such as suicide, grief, or the sudden loss of a loved one. It belongs to the realm of the occult—not in the popular sense, but as something hidden, mysterious, and ultimately incomprehensible. Dark mysticism is unexplained suffering." 
 
-How we influence each other with our heart-fields
 
-To open yourself up as a therapist - to the mystical flow or even channelling 
 
-Neptune, Pisces, 12th house
 
-Psychologists versus psychotherapists!
 
-Psychotherapy as an art where therapeutic rapport is essential
 
-Mireks alternative Ph.D
 
-The validation comes from people doing better
 
-Mysticism and parenthood
 
-The need to help and give, songs from a happy pisces moon
 
I hope you enjoy it
 
LINKS:
 
 
 
https://www.headofficehealth.com.au/en/mirek-kanik
 
the book: 
 
https://a.co/d/03dpWLI2
 
 
 
Mannah:
 
https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
 
 
 
 
 
video: https://youtu.be/Das_jaHi2Gs

#159 - Mirek Kanik - Modern Mysticism in Psychotherapy - Being a Modern Mystic

Let's tap into embodied learning, the role of neuroscience in therapeutic work and energetic experiences. I'm so pleased to welcome therapist, teacher, and speaker Kim Barthel. She is a seasoned educator with 40 years of experience- Kim Barthel travels the world providing workshops and mentorship to therapists, educators, social workers, physicians, special-needs care providers, and parents.
 
With her Sagittarian storytelling and value put on the experienced insights, we are well set up to tap in to these themes:
 
- Neuroplasticity and its role in knowing
 
- Why embodiment might come first
 
- Kim's definition of healing
 
- The power of alignment and the expansive tension in us
 
- The difference between delusional optimism and having hope
 
- Spiritual connection and its relationship with the nervous system
 
- How polyvagal theory can ease shame
 
- The neurobiology of compassion and connection
 
- The attachment center in the brain
 
- Astrology's transformative help—when it's truly felt
 
- Staying curious and evolving our knowledge beyond the current research is essential
 
- Can talk therapy address somatic issues?
 
- Neurodevelopmental treatment and its impact
 
- Learning as an ongoing, layered process
 
- The magic of presence and energetic experiences that are not measurable 
 
- The need for multi-sensory engagement in effective therapy
 
- The missing emphasis on energy compared to earlier 
 
- Keep learning!!!
 
Plus, a quick look at the astrological archetypes of Sagittarius, Taurus, and Pluto in Aquarius.
 
Much love and thank you for listening!!
 
Learn more about Kim Barthel here:
 
https://www.kimbarthel.ca/
 
 
 
My website is:
 
https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/

#83 - Kim Barthel - The Conscious Evolution of the Human Spirit - The Expansive Tension - Therapy as an Opportunity to Sense Yourself

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