Immigration advocate Ali Noorani of the National Immigration Forum joins Matt to discuss the future of immigration in America, including the oncoming "grey tsunami," the consequences of Trump's border and asylum policies, and the effects of the way we speak about immigration on immigration policy.

Resources: "Room to Grow: Setting Immigration Levels in a Changing America" by Ali Noorani & Danilo Zak (Feb. 3, 2021) One Billion Americans by Matt Yglesias (2020) One Mighty and Irresistible Tide: The Epic Struggle over American Immigration, 1924-1965 by Jia Lynn Yang (2020)

Guest: Ali Noorani (@anoorani), President & CEO, National Immigration Forum

Host: Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias), Slowboring.com

Credits: Erikk Geannikis, Editor and Producer

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