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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship daily podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And Monday through Thursday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

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We tried out the new Googlebooks, which are essentially Chromebooks evolved with an Android elemental stone. They're made by Dell, Lenovo, HP, Acer, and Asus (not Google), but all have the new Googlebook OS, heavy Android phone and Gemini integration, and a built-in "Glowbar." Laptop reviewer Antonio G. Di Benedetto went hands-on with the new devices, and reports back to guest host David Imel.

Further reading:

 ⁠iPhone owners can now submit claims in Apple’s $250 million Siri AI settlement⁠

 ⁠The M5 Ultra Mac Studio tears through our benchmark tests⁠

 ⁠Gemini went rogue and hacked 3 companies⁠

 ⁠I got to see Google’s wild ideas about the future of laptops⁠

 ⁠These are the first five Googlebook laptops⁠

 ⁠Googlebooks feel like the first laptops built for Android owners⁠

 ⁠The long dream of the Googlebook⁠

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Googlebooks are coming for your Mac

This week's iPhone 18 Pro discourse made aperture a priority, but today on Vergecast we zoom out to talk about the state of smart phone photography at large. Executive editor Jake Kastrenakes, guest host David Imel and senior reviewer Allison Johnson get into manual controls, "buckets of photons," and Apple and Google's strategies on how to prove a picture you took is real. Then, senior AI reporter Hayden Field returns to The Vergecast, just a few new revelations of misaligned behavior since her last appearance. She breaks down who's calling for a slowdown, who's full steam ahead, and the prisoner's dilemma facing the industry. And in the lightning round, we cover robotaxis calling the cops, the Boox Palma 3 e-reader, and the latest crop of intentionally low-quality digital cameras.

Further reading:

 Version History: Oregon trail

 iPhone 18 Pro review: it's all about the manual controls

 The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera

 Apple’s new iPhone camera mode promises to prove your photo isn’t AI

 Inside the suddenly explosive world of AI safety

 Your robotaxi might be a narc

 Waymo pulls over, calls cops on riders with a ghost gun

 The Boox Palma 3 gets stylus support and a sleek redesign

 Camp Snap’s 110D gives slim retro film cameras a digital upgrade

 Fujifilm’s Instax Pal 2 is a tiny digital camera that may not disappoint

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0:00 Welcome and lineup00:30 Version History returns02:08 Oregon Trail livestream plug02:36 Apple camera geekout02:59 Apple's new CEO Emmy moment05:23 iPhone 18 Pro upgrades08:33 Pro controls usability11:46 RAW vs ProRAW explained14:35 Signal to noise deep dive21:35 Photographic styles debate25:25 Reference Image authenticity32:40 What we want next41:40 AI safety drama begins42:36 AI Safety Freakout46:10 Liability And Regulation51:34 China Race Narrative54:43 Pace The Frontier Plan55:54 Auditors Inside Labs01:00:22 Prisoners Dilemma Problem01:04:38 Accountability Dead End01:08:45 Waymo Calls The Cops01:14:56 The E Reader Race01:19:56 Tiny Retro Cameras01:26:32 Wrap Up And Goodbye

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The real story of the iPhone 18 Pro's camera

Senior reviewers Allison Johnson and Victoria Song trade host and guest duties in a Vergecasting ouroboros that's never been attempted before and will probably never be attempted again. Allison talks about the iPhone 18 Pro's new camera, Victoria talks about the Watch 12 and Ultra 4's new sensors, and they both give their verdicts on who should upgrade.

Further reading:

 The iPhone 18 Pro’s big camera update is all about the small gains

 The Apple Watch Series 12 is the start of a new wearable era

 Your ‘health age’ is fake

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Apple's new iPhones and Watches are better than the last ones

Last week, an Anthropic researcher resigned and posted on X, "The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade." These warnings are nothing new, but this one managed to break into the mainstream. So, do the people making AI really think it could kill us all? How? And if it really could be as dangerous as they say, why would anyone continue to work on it? Senior AI reporter Hayden Field joined us to answer your questions about the AI freakout.

Further reading:

 The iPhone 18 Pro’s big camera update is all about the small gains

 Meta is reportedly ready to launch less pervy smart glasses

 The Boox Palma 3 gets stylus support and a sleek redesign

 Worried Anthropic researchers warn that AI ‘could kill all humans’

 What execs and politicians are saying about slowing down AI development

 Is Big Tech’s AI slowdown a safety pact or a cartel?

 Trump and Mike Johnson think the AI industry is overreacting

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Your AI apocalypse questions, answered

Two years ago, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt released his book, The Anxious Generation. In it, he argued that the rise of social media and smartphone use is to blame for the prominent decline in teen mental health since 2010. This month, psychology researcher Peter Gray takes on that narrative with his book, Restoring Childhood. In a conversation with senior policy reporter Lauren Feiner, Gray argues that school — not social media — is the real culprit.

Further reading:

 The premium AirPods 5 are the best open-ear earbuds Apple has made

 All dressed up with hardware to go.

 A street photographer tested Dyson’s new CameraJet toothbrush.

 What if social media isn’t hurting kids?

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Is social media driving teen mental health issues?

Sean Hollister got his hands and face on Valve's new VR headset, the Steam Frame. It's expensive, starting at more than $1,000. It's buggy — he and CNET's Scott Stein both felt like beta testers as they reviewed it. But it's also full of interesting ideas, including the promise that Steam games could one day come to your mobile phone. This week on The Vergecast, Sean and Scott discuss who exactly this device is for, in a world that mostly seems to have moved on from VR.

Further reading:

 Is it time for AI companies to press pause?

 Waymo pulls over, calls cops on riders with a ghost gun

 Your car is selling your data

 LG responds to TV spying allegations

 The Steam Frame is made for irresponsible hardware nerds like me

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Who is the $1,059 Steam VR headset for?

Apple did the one more thing: This week it announced its much-anticipated folding phone. It also announced some surprising and controversial new AI features for Apple Watch, including "Live Rewind," which gives the user a text transcript of the last 15 seconds of real life.

On today's Vergecast, Allison Johnson and Vee Song report back from California after having more hands-on time with Apple's new devices. Plus, Nilay Patel and David Imel take another swing at discussing Mac Minis and local LLMs with AI researcher CJ Trowbridge. Finally, Allison and Jake tackle some non-Apple stories in the truly rapid-fire thunder round.

Further reading:

 iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max: Our first hands-on impressions

 The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera

 Hands-on with the foldable iPhone Duo

 Hands-on with the new Apple Watch Series 12 and Apple Watch Ultra 4

 Apple Watch Series 12 has an always-on Siri that makes AI recaps of your day

 Read the Apple document explaining how new listening features still protect your privacy

 Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn’t use their work

 OpenAI’s sly mathematical breakthrough sends a chill through academia

 Drama swirls around OpenAI’s legendary mathematical milestone

 The Trump phone just got a $250 price hike

 Six years later, Sony revisits its legendary XM4 headphones

 Hori’s electronic Ocarina of Time requires no musical talent.

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We unfolded the iPhone Duo

For years, big tech companies have embedded their products into the classroom whether through Google's Chromebooks or computer science curricula developed by Apple or Microsoft. The industry pushed a generation of kids to foster coding skills with the promise of high-paying jobs. Now, those students are finding themselves less in demand as AI takes over, and the industry seems to be repeating its playbook. Senior policy reporter Lauren Feiner talks to Natasha Singer, author of the new book "Coding Kids," about how big tech worked its way into the classroom, and why Natasha is optimistic about educators’ response to the AI push.

Further reading:

 Schools are catching on to Big Tech’s playbook

 Worried Anthropic researchers warn that AI ‘could kill all humans’

 Meta’s Muse AI works and creeps me out

 Another big James Talarico interview is punted to YouTube due to FCC threats

 Apple asks: have you ever imagined iOS devices doin’ it?

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Schools are catching onto tech’s playbook

Live from Apple Park, Nilay Patel and Victoria Song join Jake Kastrenakes, Dominic Preston and Cameron Faulkner to talk about the iPhone Duo and the new Apple Watches. We also talk about the new iPhone 18 Pro's variable aperture and the AirPods 5.

Further reading:

 All the news from Apple’s ‘Surprise and shine’ event

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The folding iPhone Duo is finally here | The Vergecast Livestream

At this year's London Marathon, two runners completed the route in under two hours, becoming the first people to ever do so on an official course. It's a feat that Outside magazine's Alex Hutchinson once thought wouldn't be accomplished until 2075. The Verge's senior policy reporter (and marathoner) Lauren Feiner talks to Alex about "super shoes" and the other surprising technological advances that led to this moment.

Further reading:

 The Fairphone 6 Plus is the midrange phone we desperately needed

 The real reason your phone is getting more expensive

 What to expect at Apple’s September 9th launch event

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The tech that made a 2-hour marathon possible

Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks Verge news reporter Zoe Schiffer about the concerning work conditions at luggage startup Away and the details from the Verge investigation.
Further reading:
Former Away employees describe a toxic work environment
Away replaces CEO Steph Korey after Verge investigation
The Away scandal is a moment of reckoning for Slack
Here’s the leaked memo in which Away tells employees not to fave The Verge’s investigation
Away’s new CEO was going to be second in command — until a toxic workplace story blew up
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The toxic work environment at Away

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