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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship daily podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And Monday through Thursday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

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Since the beginning of the AI revolution, a few companies have claimed to be building the best and most powerful AI models. All of them were American. More recently, a few Chinese companies seem to have caught up, shipping models that are much cheaper and maybe also just as good. The Verge's Hayden Field and Lauren Feiner join the show to explain how China made so much progress, the threat that progress represents to US companies and the US government, and what might happen next.

Further reading:

 ⁠China and the US are battling to become the world’s first AI superpower⁠

 ⁠Trump’s Anthropic shutdown just made the case for non-American AI⁠

 ⁠China delivers a one-two punch to America’s AI dominance⁠

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The US is losing its lead in AI

It's public beta season, which means David and Nilay have been upgrading some devices this week. We talk through the good and bad of our early experiences with Siri AI, and what it'll take for next-gen Siri to be a hit. After that, we discuss the real reason Apple decided to sue OpenAI over trade secrets, OpenAI's forthcoming smart speaker, the new Pixel colors, our emoji strategies, Brendan Carr, and much more.

Further reading:

 Apple’s public betas for iOS 27 and more are out now 

 Siri AI makes the Apple Watch finally feel like a wrist computer 

 Siri AI is already changing how I use my iPhone 

 The macOS 27 public beta is worth it just for the Liquid Glass tweaks 

 Apple sues OpenAI for allegedly stealing hardware secrets 

 Suno snatched millions of songs from YouTube, Genius, and Deezer

 Sam Altman didn’t need another lawsuit 

 The 6 wildest claims in Apple’s lawsuit against OpenAI 

 Another turn in the Apple v. OpenAI dispute. 

 OpenAI has a new statement about Apple’s lawsuit. 

 OnePlus officially gives up on the US and Europe

 OnePlus is dead in the US. Did it ever have a chance?

 Samsung shows off ‘brand new shape’ for Z Fold 8 in Spider-Man teaser

 OpenAI may announce a ChatGPT smart speaker this year 

 OpenAI finally launches hardware… for Codex

 Pixel Watch 5 leak shows off four different finishes 

 The Pixel colors might rule this year 

 The PS6 sure sounds like a handheld 

 Brendan Carr plans to let broadcast giants dominate the airwaves

 X admits its broken algorithm made the site feel like a ‘battleground’ 

 States make last-ditch effort to stop the Paramount ‘media behemoth’ 

 Paramount lead trial counsel on state AG suit: This merger is pro-competitive

 The new cracking face emoji might be an all-timer. 

 Google’s Demis Hassabis says it’s time for a global AI watchdog — led by the US 

 Google and Epic give up fighting — third-party Android app stores are coming next week

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(Timestamps are approximate.)

00:01:00 Intro

00:02:00 Apple Betas and New Siri

00:08:00 Gemini Car Assistant Fails

00:15:00 Apple Sues OpenAI

00:18:00 Trade Secret Law Explained

00:28:00 Settlement or Long Fight

00:35:00 OpenAI Home Device Doubts

00:42:00 Smartphone Platform Lessons

00:50:00 Pixel Colors and Naming

00:52:00 OnePlus Retreat Explained

00:55:00 Carriers and iPhone Lock In

01:05:00 Brendan Carr Bribery Scandal

01:14:00 Emoji Lightning Round

01:18:00 X Algorithm Rediscovery

01:23:00 Foothills Of Singularity

01:29:00 Paramount Merger Spin

01:33:00 Wrap And Plugs
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Apple's plot to crush OpenAI

AI text detectors have been notoriously unreliable, but that's starting to change. This year, Pangram keeps coming up as the trusted source in identifying AI-written text. We sit down with Pangram CEO Max Spero to find out how the system was made, how much we should trust it, and where the line is between useful AI and AI slop.

Further reading:

 OnePlus officially gives up on the US and Europe⁠

 ⁠Google ordered to open Android and Search to rivals in Europe⁠

 ⁠Brendan Carr plans to let broadcast giants dominate the airwaves⁠

 ⁠⁠The literary world isn’t prepared for AI⁠

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The one AI detector people actually trust

Valve's Steam Machine might be exactly the living room console you've been waiting for. Or it might be too expensive, totally pointless, a waste of everyone's money and shelf space. The Verge's Sean Hollister joins the show to talk through all the feedback we've been getting about our coverage and our review. Is Valve's history a pro or a con? Is the price reasonable or ridiculous? Who is this device actually for? We have much to discuss.

Further reading:

 Google and Epic give up fighting — third-party Android app stores are coming next week

 OpenAI may announce a ChatGPT smart speaker this year

 Another turn in the Apple v. OpenAI dispute

 ⁠The Steam Machine is the most ambitious game console I’ve ever played⁠⁠

 ⁠⁠The Steam Machine fits my TV, my desk, and my life⁠⁠

 ⁠⁠Valve will finally let you build your own Steam Machine with SteamOS for desktop⁠⁠

 ⁠⁠How much would the Steam Machine cost to build?⁠

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Were we too nice to the Steam Machine?

AI-generated music is suddenly everywhere. On social media, music streaming services, and elsewhere, stuff made on Suno is becoming unavoidable. The Verge's Terrence O'Brien joins David to talk about where Suno came from, whether it can truly change the way we create and consume music, and how we can and should respond to AI music. We also have some thoughts on whether these songs might someday be bangers.

Further reading:

 X admits its broken algorithm made the site feel like a ‘battleground’ | The Verge

 The Pixel colors might rule this year | The Verge

 Pixel Watch 5 leak shows off four different finishes | The Verge

 New York becomes the first state to enact a data center moratorium | The Verge

 Suno is a music copyright nightmare

 Suno leans into customization with v5.5

 Nobody wants to tell me why they only listen to their own Suno slop

 Suno’s upgraded AI music generator is technically impressive, but still soulless

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The problem with Suno and AI music

So far, there have been exactly zero great AI-first gadgets. But that hasn't stopped the tech industry from trying to figure out what shape and size these new gadgets might take, and whether any of them can best the device in your pocket. The Verge's Allison Johnson and Victoria Song join David to rank all those shapes, from pendant to smartwatch to rectangle, to see whether there is actually a next big thing out there.

Further reading:

 ⁠Apple sues OpenAI for allegedly stealing hardware secrets | The Verge⁠

 ⁠Less is more with the Oura Ring 5 | The Verge⁠

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Watch, headphones, phone: Which AI gadget is best?

Netflix makes shows. And movies. And podcasts. And games. And… YouTube videos, apparently. So what even is Netflix anymore? Nilay and David have ideas. After that, they talk about Meta’s ongoing smart glasses mess, and whether Meta or anyone can make these devices work. Finally, it's time for Brendan Carr, RAMageddon, the state of X, and a dumb TV mystery.

Further reading:

 Bloomberg: ⁠Netflix Viewers Are Abandoning Shows After One Season⁠

 ⁠Of course viewers are giving up on Netflix shows ⁠

 ⁠Netflix is about to host videos from BuzzFeed, Condé Nast, and other publishers⁠

 ⁠Netflix Bets on Short Videos to Compete With YouTube - Business Insider⁠

 ⁠Netflix's video podcast engagement numbers 'are low,' per insider⁠

 ⁠Emmy Nominations List 2026: BEEF, The Diplomat, The Beast in Me, Black Rabbit, and More - Netflix Tudum⁠

 ⁠If Microsoft sold off Xbox, who would even buy it?⁠

 ⁠Meta is reportedly working on smart glasses that would be recording all the time ⁠

 ⁠Meta’s glasses will turn off the camera if you tamper with the privacy light ⁠

 ⁠Solos debuts an even lighter version of its camera-less smart glasses ⁠

 ⁠Boz describes how Meta’s smart glasses facial recognition feature would work. ⁠

 ⁠Another verdict on camera glasses in court: nope! ⁠

 ⁠ABC tells the government to get out of its newsrooms⁠

 ⁠Meta’s new Muse Image model can pull other Instagram users into AI photos ⁠

 ⁠You can (and should) opt out of letting people use your Instagram posts with Meta’s AI.⁠

 ⁠Are you ready for what it takes to stop ghost guns?⁠

 ⁠Vizio accidentally made the best dumb TV on the market⁠

 ⁠PC shipments fell for the first time in over two years thanks to RAMageddon. ⁠

 ⁠A tough chart about the RAM crisis. ⁠

⁠Subscribe to The Verge⁠ for unlimited access to ⁠theverge.com⁠, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ⁠ad-free podcast feed⁠.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to ⁠vergecast@theverge.com⁠ or call us at 866-VERGE11.

(Timestamps are approximate.)

00:01:00 Intro

00:04:00 Netflix Identity Crisis

00:08:00 Creators Versus Netflix

00:15:00 Netflix Buys YouTube Videos

00:18:00 Go90 Scale Check In

00:19:00 Netflix Should Buy Xbox

00:28:00 Smart Glasses Panopticon

00:46:00 Backlash And Offline Tech

00:49:00 Smart Glasses Without Cameras

00:55:00 FCC Chilling Effect

01:03:00 Ramageddon Price Shock

01:07:00 Regulating Ghost Guns

01:14:00 X Product Reality Check

01:20:00 Vizio Dumb TV Mystery

01:25:00 Wrap Up And Plugs
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Netflix is turning into YouTube

Quantum computing hype is everywhere. Trump says we'll have one by 2028, Microsoft by 2029. IBM is investing billions. Is it really happening? Science journalist Sophia Chen joins us to discuss her article, "What is a quantum computer good for? Absolutely nothing — yet," and break down what's real and what's hype in the quantum computing race.

Further reading

 ⁠Meta is reportedly working on smart glasses that would be recording all the time⁠

 ⁠Sonos laid off some of its veteran product and design executives⁠

 ⁠Cash App fraud⁠

 ⁠Starlink deployments on record pace⁠

 ⁠Play-Doh for adults is the new Lego for adults⁠

 ⁠Slate is hoping a little Razzmatazz will help sell its trucks⁠

 ⁠What is a quantum computer good for? Absolutely nothing — yet⁠

 ⁠A new paper argues Microsoft exaggerated its quantum claims a year ago⁠

 ⁠Drama over quantum computing’s future heats up⁠

 ⁠The race is on for quantum-safe cryptography⁠

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Time to believe the quantum computing hype?

How much smartphone is too much smartphone? Why is it so hard to switch from one phone to another, even in 2026? And is your smartwatch finally ready to replace your phone, even for a few things? These are the questions you have, and The Verge's Allison Johnson is here to answer them. If you have others, keep 'em coming! Call the Vergecast Hotline at 866-VERGE11, email ⁠vergecast@theverge.com⁠, tell us everything.

Further reading:

 Google announces Pixel 11 launch event in August | The Verge

 The whole Pixel line could get more expensive this year | The Verge

 Meta’s glasses will turn off the camera if you tamper with the privacy light | The Verge

 This jumping $800 robot camera dog filled me with joy

 ⁠Ditching my phone for an LTE smartwatch was a humbling experience⁠

 ⁠I switch phones once a week — here’s how I manage the chaos⁠

 ⁠Welp, I bought an iPhone again⁠

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It's still way too hard to switch phones

We have all become desensitized. Every place is like every other place, every experience is happening at a remove and on a screen. And Ian Bogost, a Washington University professor and a writer at The Atlantic, argues that this "dematerialization" is making our life worse. Ian joins David to explain how to once again commune with the world. He tells us of the magic of paper tickets, why he's kind of obsessed with the rubber on his water bottle, and why you don't need to throw phone into the ocean — but you should probably watch more ASMR videos.

 The Small Stuff: How to Lead a More Gratifying Life

 The Cult of Delayed Gratification Is a Lie

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It's still way too hard to switch phones

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