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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, hosts Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And every Tuesday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

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We've been covering what's happening in Minnesota, and the killing of Alex Pretti, all week on The Verge. To begin this episode, Nilay explains why — and why so many others seem to feel the same way right now. After that, the hosts talk about the CEO-studded screening of Melania Trump's documentary last weekend, the disastrous public appearance from Tim Cook, and whether Cook and other CEOs have any other option but to capitulate to the Trump administration. Then it's time for some gadgets: we talk about the super-foldy, super-expensive Samsung Galaxy Z Trifold, the Clawdbot / Moltbot phenomenon, and whether Google can finally put Chrome OS and Android together the right way. Finally, in the lightning round, it's time for Brendan Carr is a dummy, Tesla's anti-car pivot, Apple's design hires, and more.

Further reading:

 On the ground in Minneapolis after the killing of Alex Pretti 

 I grew up with Alex Pretti 

 Creators and communities everywhere take a stand against ICE 

 It doesn’t matter if Alex Pretti had a gun 

 Why won’t anyone stop ICE from masking? 

 Tim Cook, Andy Jassy, and AMD CEO Lisa Su are at the White House for a VIP screening of the Melania doc.

 Tim Cook had ‘a good conversation’ with Trump about deescalation 

 Cook in 2020: Speaking up on racism

 From The New York Times: Amazon’s $35 Million ‘Melania’ Promotion Has Critics Questioning Its Motives

 From The Hollywood Reporter: ‘Melania’ Set for a $3 Million Opening Despite Amazon’s $35 Million Marketing Push

 Here’s Tim Cook hanging out with accused rapist Brett Ratner at the Melania screening

 What TikTok’s new owners mean for your feed 

 TikTok USA is broken 

 TikTok is still down, here are all the latest updates 

 TikTok is still struggling in the US due to a “cascading systems failure.” 

 TikTok US is mostly back up and running 

 TikTok blames its US problems on a power outage 

 Oracle admits it broke TikTok.

 Congress doesn’t seem to know if the TikTok deal complies with its law 

 Is New TikTok banning the word “Epstein” in DMs? Not really. 

 TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 

 Mark Zuckerberg is all in on AI as the new social media 

 Meta is stopping teens from chatting with its AI characters 

 Bluesky is testing ‘live’ features to take on X 

 Best gas masks

 The Samsung Trifold will cost nearly three grand 

 Google just leaked a first look at Android for PC in action 

 Chromebooks train schoolkids to be loyal customers, internal Google document suggests 

 Moltbot, the AI agent that ‘actually does things,’ is tech’s new obsession

 
Clawdbot’s bad day 

 I used Claude to vibe-code my wildly overcomplicated smart home

 The FCC’s Late Night Comedy Show

 Tesla discontinuing Model S and Model X to make room for robots 

 Tesla says production-ready Optimus robot is coming soon 

 Tesla hits a grim milestone: its second straight year of decline

 Elon Musk invests $2 billion in Elon Musk

 Hang on, there’s a Trump Phone Ultra coming too? 

 Halide co-founder Sebastiaan de With is joining Apple’s design team 

 The Stream Deck-packed gaming keyboard is a monster of good ideas

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Tim Cook is destroying his own legacy

Like so many others, we’re still reeling from the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis. To open the show, we talk with Adi Robertson about how videos of the incident moved around social platforms, how even well-intentioned people got confused by AI imagery, and what we’ve learned about the state of misinformation. Then Adi explains the new TikTok, which is both the same and very different from the old TikTok. The newly US-centric version of the app has had some switching pains so far, and the changes may only be just beginning. After that, it’s time for a hard pivot, as Vulture’s Nick Quah joins the show to talk about Netflix’s entry into podcasts — and whether what Netflix is doing can even be called “podcasts” anymore. Finally, David answers an old Vergecast Hotline question that got him thinking about all the ways we hold our phones to make calls, and which one is the best. 

Further reading:

 It doesn’t matter if Alex Pretti had a gun

 The day of the second killing

 TikTok USA is broken

 Everything (Including Netflix) Will Become YouTube This Year

 It’s finally time to retire the word ‘podcast’

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Truth and AI in Minneapolis

Nilay owns a Sony TV. He loves his Sony TV, and he's a little sad that it appears this era of Sony TVs is ending. He and David talk through the news of a new joint venture between Sony and TCL, before digging into OpenAI's new-fangled plan to make money (spoiler alert: it's ads!), and some new news about an AI gadget Apple may or may not be working on. Then it's time for the lightning round: Brendan Carr, Netflix, the Trump Phone, and much more.

Further reading:

 The TikTok deal could finally close this week.

 
Epic and Google have a secret $800 million Unreal Engine and services deal

 Sony’s TV business is being taken over by TCL 

 
What a Sony and TCL partnership means for the future of TVs OpenAI’s 2026 ‘focus’ is ‘practical adoption’ 

 OpenAI releases a cheaper ChatGPT subscription 

 Ads are coming soon to ChatGPT, starting with shopping links 

 
Opinion | A.I. Is Real. But OpenAI Might Still Fail.Apple is reportedly working on an AirTag-sized AI wearable 

 Apple is turning Siri into an AI bot that’s more like ChatGPT 

 FCC Targets Colbert and Kimmel in New Crackdown on Late-Night TV - The New York Times

 Bureau Provides Guidance on Political Equal Opportunities Requirement | Federal Communications Commission

 Free TV startup Telly only had 35,000 units in people’s homes last fall

 Microsoft wants to build 15 data centers in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin 

 OpenAI says its data centers will pay for their own energy and limit water usage

 Netflix will revamp its mobile UI this year 

 
600,000 Trump Mobile phones sold? There’s no proof.

 YouTubers will be able to make Shorts with their own AI likenesses 

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The end of the Sony era in TVs

There’s a new biggest name in EVs, and if you live in the US, you pretty much can’t buy one. But before we get to that, we have some stuff to catch up on: The Verge's Hayden Field joins us for a round of “Big Deal Medium Deal Small Deal” with some AI news, from the launch of ChatGPT Health to the recent viral moment for Claude Code. After that, The Verge’s Andy Hawkins joins the show to explain how BYD recently eclipsed Tesla as the world’s largest seller of electric vehicles, what makes its cars so desirable, and when you, too, might be able to buy a Dolphin Surf. Finally, David tackles a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about giving your kids iPads instead of iPhones, and whether all screen time is created equal.

Further reading:

 Car influencers love Chinese EVs — and China loves them back

 Tesla’s fourth quarter sales fell a lot more than expected

 From Inside EVs: A Guide To BYD, The Chinese Automaker That Just Surpassed Tesla

 Anthropic wants you to use Claude to ‘Cowork’ in latest AI agent push

 Anthropic shakes up C-suite to expand its internal incubator

 
OpenAI launches ChatGPT Health, encouraging users to connect their medical records

 Google brings buy buttons to Gemini and AI search

 Grok is undressing children — can the law stop it?

 Google is taking over your Gmail inbox with AI

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How BYD beat Tesla

Nearly two years ago, Apple showed off what an AI-powered Siri might do. That Siri never materialized, but thanks to a deal with Google for its Gemini tech, it might finally have a chance to work. David and Nilay discuss the ins and outs of the deal, and what it might mean for both Apple's and Google's ambitions in AI. (They also talk about the onslaught of new lawsuits from publishers related to Google's adtech antitrust case, including from our parent company Vox Media. Disclosure is our brand.) After that, they talk about Grok's horrific deepfake problem on X, and why everyone involved deserves the blame. Then it's time to pour one out for VR and the metaverse, which is losing steam as Meta loses interest and continues to pivot to AI. RIP Supernatural, a surprise hit of an exercise app! Finally, in the lightning round, it's time for Brendan Carr is a Dummy, the latest Paramount / Warner / Netflix drama, the Trump Phone, and the Digg reboot.

Further reading:

 The Atlantic, Penske, and Vox Media have all sued Google for antitrust violations

 Apple picks Google’s Gemini AI for its big Siri upgrade

 What Apple and Google’s Gemini deal means for both companies

 Google’s Gemini AI will use what it knows about you from Gmail, Search, and YouTube 

 Why Google Gemini looks poised to win the AI race over OpenAI 

 A “conscious decision” from OpenAI. 

 X hasn’t really stopped Grok AI from undressing women in the UK 

 Advocacy groups demand Apple and Google block X from app stores 

 UK pushes up a law criminalizing deepfake nudes in response to Grok

 
X claims it has stopped Grok from undressing people, but of course it hasn’t 

 Meta plans to lay off hundreds of metaverse employees this week 

 Meta confirms Reality Labs layoffs and shifts to invest more in wearables 

 Meta is closing down three VR studios as part of its metaverse cuts 

 Meta’s layoffs hit the studio that made Batman: Arkham Shadow, too. 

 Supernatural Will No Longer Get New Content Or Features

 FTC won’t appeal court decision permitting Meta to buy Within

 The best thing to do in VR is work out

 FCC chair Brendan Carr is pressed on removing ‘independent’ from its website. 

 Verizon gets FCC permission to end 60-day phone unlocking rule 

 Anthropic wants you to use Claude to ‘Cowork’ in latest AI agent push 

 
Paramount sues after Warner Bros. Discovery rejects its latest deal Netflix is reportedly considering an all-cash offer for Warner Bros. 

 The new Digg is launching an open beta. 

 Elon Musk Cannot Get Away With This

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Siri is a Gemini

January brings two things in Vergecast-land: CES, and New Years' Resolutions. We start this episode with a dive into the story of this year's biggest tech show, the Lego Smart Brick, which is either a clever way of thinking about creativity or the end of creativity as we know it. Sean Hollister explains how the Smart Brick works, and how Lego can make sure it ends the right way. Then, Platformer's Casey Newton discusses his productivity system, his adventures in Claude Code, and how you too can make yourself a little more productive this year — with or without AI.

Further reading:

 Lego announces Smart Brick, the ‘most significant evolution’ in 50 years

 Lego’s Smart Bricks aren’t just an experiment

 I played with the Lego Smart Brick

 From Platformer: The project that turned me into a Claude Code believer

 From Platformer: What I learned about productivity this year

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How Lego’s Smart Brick works

The theme of CES 2026 is gadgets. It's always gadgets. This year more than most, though, the world's biggest tech show is about how fast the hardware world is moving — and how much work the software, and the AI, have to do to catch up. On stage live at the Brooklyn Bowl in Las Vegas, David and Nilay talk through some of the biggest news of the week, from robots to laptops to AI cuddle buddies, to see what's really going to matter in tech this year.

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Live from CES: What is the point of a robot that falls over?

2026 is just beginning, and it's already time for the biggest gadget event of the year. As the Verge team heads to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show, David and Nilay run through as many of the newly announced products as they can. There are robots, art TVs, phones, more robots, smart Legos, smart home gizmos, and still more robots. Some of this stuff will ship, and might even be a big hit. Some of it, well, won't. But it's all an interesting look into what's happening in tech right now.Also: if you're in Vegas for CES, come see us live! We'll be at the Brooklyn Bowl on Wednesday, January 7th, for live recordings of Decoder and The Vergecast, and we'd love to see you there.

Further reading:

 ⁠This robot companion is a cameraman for your pet ⁠

 ⁠LG says its CLOiD home robot will be folding laundry and making breakfast at CES ⁠

 ⁠SwitchBot brings a humanoid home robot to CES ⁠

 ⁠You can’t buy Zeroth’s WALL-E robot in the US, but you can get its cousin ⁠

 ⁠This startup brought WALL-E to life and will also sell you WALL-E’s weird cousin⁠

 ⁠Kicking Robots, by James Vincent⁠

 ⁠The Clicks Power Keyboard is also a backup battery for your phone ⁠

 ⁠The Clicks Communicator is a BlackBerry for your phone ⁠

 ⁠I just want to keep unfolding the Samsung Z TriFold ⁠

 ⁠The Aliro smart lock standard for NFC and UWB unlocking will launch this year ⁠

 ⁠Lutron adds smart wood blinds to its Caséta line. ⁠

 ⁠Bosch’s fancy coffee machine is getting Alexa Plus ⁠

 ⁠The new Ultraloq smart lock uses both your face and your palm to let you in ⁠

 ⁠Lockin’s new vein-scanning smart lock has a video doorbell and recharges wirelessly ⁠

 ⁠Hands-on with the Mui Board: a wooden smart home controller ⁠

 ⁠The Mui Board will support mmWave sleep tracking and gesture control ⁠

 ⁠You can unlock SwitchBot’s first deadbolt smart lock with your face ⁠

 ⁠Lifx launches a smart mirror and a $30 dimmer switch that can control smart bulbs ⁠

 ⁠Lockly’s new smart locks will support Matter and NFC ⁠

 ⁠GE Lighting’s new Matter-compatible smart shades start at just $300 ⁠

 ⁠The LG OLED evo W6 Wallpaper TV makes its return at CES ⁠

 ⁠RGB is the next big thing in OLED gaming monitors ⁠

 ⁠Belkin’s new HDMI adapter wirelessly connects to screens from 130 feet ⁠

 ⁠LG’s new Gallery TV, designed for displaying art, will be at CES 2026 ⁠

 ⁠Samsung brings back the Timeless Frame with its biggest Micro RGB TV at CES. ⁠

 ⁠TCL debuts a new quantum dot and color filter technology with the X11L ⁠

 ⁠Gemini on Google TV is getting Nano Banana and voice-controlled settings ⁠

 ⁠Amazon announces a Samsung Frame competitor with the Ember Artline TV ⁠

 ⁠Amazon Fire TV OS gets a revamp that’s more modern and pleasing ⁠

 ⁠LG’s new karaoke-ready party speaker uses AI to remove song vocals ⁠

 ⁠Would you let AI cut your hair? ⁠

 ⁠A developer for a ‘major food delivery app’ says the ‘algorithms are rigged against you⁠

 ⁠Lego announces Smart Brick, the ‘most significant evolution’ in 50 years | The Verge⁠

 ⁠Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is now blogging about AI slop ⁠

 ⁠“Feed is dead.” ⁠

 ⁠Adam Mosseri on how Instagram exists in the age of AI-generated images⁠

 ⁠The Trump phone just missed another release date ⁠

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The robots, phones and Lego of CES 2026

The iPhone 4 was one of the best iPhones ever — and definitely the most dramatic iPhone ever. It was lost in a bar in California, sold to Gizmodo, and published for the world to see months before its launch. The phone itself had a bunch of important new features, and one that spawned Antennagate. In this episode, David Pierce, Nilay Patel, and longtime tech columnist Walt Mossberg tell the whole story of the phone, its legacy, and its place in tech blog history.

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Version History: iPhone 4

The world runs on RAM, and RAM is harder than ever to get your hands on. What’s happening here? Every year, the Vergecast team spends the holiday season going deep on a single spec or technology, and this year it’s all about Random Access Memory. (No, that’s not a Daft Punk album.) Nilay, David, and Sean Hollister explain what RAM is, why it matters, how it became a precious commodity, and what it means for the future of chips around the world. We also play some games. We do… okay at the games. Happy Holidays!

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