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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship daily podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And Monday through Thursday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

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Meta's Muse AI agent is cute (sometimes caked-up) and it performs well as a productivity tool. And, if you give it access to your social media and e-mail, it can know basically everything about you. This week on The Vergecast, Nilay Patel, Jake Kastrenakes and David Imel give their reactions to Mark Zuckerberg's demos at Wednesday's Meta Connect keynote. They also talk about the new glasses hardware, including the new VR glasses and audio-only, camera-free Ray-Bans.Then, we take a look at the newly-announced, chimeric Chrome/Android hybrid Googlebooks, find out why Brendan Carr is a dummy this week, analyze the Paramount merger, discuss what YouTube's A/B video testing means for the increasingly tenuous concept of a shared reality, and end on a surprisingly heartwarming story about RODECaster 4K support.

Further reading:

 Meta Connect 2026: The 7 biggest announcements

 Meta Connect 2026 live blog: On the ground at Mark Zuckerberg’s next big product launch

 Meta’s Muse AI works and creeps me out

 Amazon blocks Meta’s Muse AI agent

 Meta ditches the camera on its newest smart glasses

 Meta’s next VR device isn’t a headset — it’s glasses

 These are the first five Googlebook laptops

 Googlebooks feel like the first laptops built for Android owners

 I got to see Google’s wild ideas about the future of laptops

 The long dream of the Googlebook

 Mahershala Ali On ‘Blade’ Being A Big Failure For Kevin Feige: “100%. He Should Feel That Way”

 Paramount will need to release way more movies to make this merger work

 Xbox is barely Xbox anymore

 YouTube is cooking up new Live features.

 Free Rodecaster Video firmware update adds 4K support.

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0:00 Welcome Back Banter

00:31 Meta Connect Setup

01:27 Muse First Impressions

05:28 Privacy Trust Gap

07:58 Pervert Glasses Debate

12:55 Passive Surveillance Reality

15:42 Is Muse Actually Winning

18:44 Muse Charm Post Phone

21:38 Do We Need Agents

26:12 Break And Return

26:29 New Meta Hardware

27:00 Audio Only Ray Bans

28:30 Muse Powered Glasses

31:15 Meta Bets on Muse

32:28 Hearing Aid Glasses Pitch

34:40 VR Glasses Return

39:04 Holograms and Splats

42:44 Google Books Arrive

44:57 Android Laptop Lock In

47:49 Windows Fatigue Debate

54:54 Hype Desk Blade Drama

57:14 Remembering Blade Chaos

01:00:37 Blade Reboot Frustrations

01:01:26 Sonos Sponsor Break

01:03:07 Brendan Carr is a Dummy

01:07:38 Lightning Round Kickoff

01:08:02 Meta Muse Mascot Chaos

01:09:26 Paramount Warner Deal Fallout

01:12:37 YouTube AI Channel Agents

01:14:05 A B Video Testing Ethics

01:21:25 Xbox Layoffs And Halo Shift

01:24:45 Rodecaster Free 4K Update

01:26:36 Muse Marketplace Haggling

01:27:35 Wrap Up And Next Episodes

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Phones don't have lights

Meta and Snap both want to get on your face. The Verge's Victoria Song and Jay Peters tried out all the new hardware: Specs, audio-only Ray Bans, and Meta VR. Today, they join guest host David Imel to talk about how these new smart glasses feel, both physically and emotionally.

Further reading:

 Meta’s next VR device isn’t a headset — it’s glasses

 Meta ditches the camera on its newest smart glasses

 I wore Snap’s $2,200 smart glasses

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Meta and Snap battle for your face

Transportation editor Andrew Hawkins is here to answer your questions about the confluence of cars and gadgets. Could a folding phone replace a dashboard display? What to do about the iPhone Pro Max not fitting the Tesla's built-in wireless charger? And we hear from a listener who -- shockingly -- doesn't care about CarPlay.

Further reading:

 The car of the future is an EV golf cart

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Hotline: Folding phones in cars, EVs in Mexico

Nvidia's new DLSS 5 (Deep Learning Super Sampling 5) rendering technology uses AI to (theoretically) improve video game graphics. When it was announced, social media declared that it was "yassifying" video game characters, changing faces in a way game developers didn't intend. Linus Tech Tips' own Linus Sebastian and David Gauthier join guest host David Imel to break down the the hype and controversy.

Further reading:

 The Beats 360 are what I’d bring to the gym if I hated earbuds

 Peloton is back with a ‘cheaper’ folding treadmill

 Whoop and Peloton integration is finally here

 Xbox is barely Xbox anymore

 Apple’s first live music venue is opening beneath its UK headquarters

 Nvidia’s DLSS 5, explained

 DLSS 5: Has Nvidia’s AI graphics technology gone too far?

 DLSS 5 looks like a real-time generative AI filter for video games

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DLSS 5 explained, with Linus Tech Tips

We tried out the new Googlebooks, which are essentially Chromebooks evolved with an Android elemental stone. They're made by Dell, Lenovo, HP, Acer, and Asus (not Google), but all have the new Googlebook OS, heavy Android phone and Gemini integration, and a built-in "Glowbar." Laptop reviewer Antonio G. Di Benedetto went hands-on with the new devices, and reports back to guest host David Imel.

Further reading:

 ⁠iPhone owners can now submit claims in Apple’s $250 million Siri AI settlement⁠

 ⁠The M5 Ultra Mac Studio tears through our benchmark tests⁠

 ⁠Gemini went rogue and hacked 3 companies⁠

 ⁠I got to see Google’s wild ideas about the future of laptops⁠

 ⁠These are the first five Googlebook laptops⁠

 ⁠Googlebooks feel like the first laptops built for Android owners⁠

 ⁠The long dream of the Googlebook⁠

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Googlebooks are coming for your Mac

This week's iPhone 18 Pro discourse made aperture a priority, but today on Vergecast we zoom out to talk about the state of smart phone photography at large. Executive editor Jake Kastrenakes, guest host David Imel and senior reviewer Allison Johnson get into manual controls, "buckets of photons," and Apple and Google's strategies on how to prove a picture you took is real. Then, senior AI reporter Hayden Field returns to The Vergecast, just a few new revelations of misaligned behavior since her last appearance. She breaks down who's calling for a slowdown, who's full steam ahead, and the prisoner's dilemma facing the industry. And in the lightning round, we cover robotaxis calling the cops, the Boox Palma 3 e-reader, and the latest crop of intentionally low-quality digital cameras.

Further reading:

 Version History: Oregon trail

 iPhone 18 Pro review: it's all about the manual controls

 The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera

 Apple’s new iPhone camera mode promises to prove your photo isn’t AI

 Inside the suddenly explosive world of AI safety

 Your robotaxi might be a narc

 Waymo pulls over, calls cops on riders with a ghost gun

 The Boox Palma 3 gets stylus support and a sleek redesign

 Camp Snap’s 110D gives slim retro film cameras a digital upgrade

 Fujifilm’s Instax Pal 2 is a tiny digital camera that may not disappoint

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0:00 Welcome and lineup00:30 Version History returns02:08 Oregon Trail livestream plug02:36 Apple camera geekout02:59 Apple's new CEO Emmy moment05:23 iPhone 18 Pro upgrades08:33 Pro controls usability11:46 RAW vs ProRAW explained14:35 Signal to noise deep dive21:35 Photographic styles debate25:25 Reference Image authenticity32:40 What we want next41:40 AI safety drama begins42:36 AI Safety Freakout46:10 Liability And Regulation51:34 China Race Narrative54:43 Pace The Frontier Plan55:54 Auditors Inside Labs01:00:22 Prisoners Dilemma Problem01:04:38 Accountability Dead End01:08:45 Waymo Calls The Cops01:14:56 The E Reader Race01:19:56 Tiny Retro Cameras01:26:32 Wrap Up And Goodbye

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The real story of the iPhone 18 Pro's camera

Senior reviewers Allison Johnson and Victoria Song trade host and guest duties in a Vergecasting ouroboros that's never been attempted before and will probably never be attempted again. Allison talks about the iPhone 18 Pro's new camera, Victoria talks about the Watch 12 and Ultra 4's new sensors, and they both give their verdicts on who should upgrade.

Further reading:

 The iPhone 18 Pro’s big camera update is all about the small gains

 The Apple Watch Series 12 is the start of a new wearable era

 Your ‘health age’ is fake

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Apple's new iPhones and Watches are better than the last ones

Last week, an Anthropic researcher resigned and posted on X, "The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade." These warnings are nothing new, but this one managed to break into the mainstream. So, do the people making AI really think it could kill us all? How? And if it really could be as dangerous as they say, why would anyone continue to work on it? Senior AI reporter Hayden Field joined us to answer your questions about the AI freakout.

Further reading:

 The iPhone 18 Pro’s big camera update is all about the small gains

 Meta is reportedly ready to launch less pervy smart glasses

 The Boox Palma 3 gets stylus support and a sleek redesign

 Worried Anthropic researchers warn that AI ‘could kill all humans’

 What execs and politicians are saying about slowing down AI development

 Is Big Tech’s AI slowdown a safety pact or a cartel?

 Trump and Mike Johnson think the AI industry is overreacting

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Your AI apocalypse questions, answered

Two years ago, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt released his book, The Anxious Generation. In it, he argued that the rise of social media and smartphone use is to blame for the prominent decline in teen mental health since 2010. This month, psychology researcher Peter Gray takes on that narrative with his book, Restoring Childhood. In a conversation with senior policy reporter Lauren Feiner, Gray argues that school — not social media — is the real culprit.

Further reading:

 The premium AirPods 5 are the best open-ear earbuds Apple has made

 All dressed up with hardware to go.

 A street photographer tested Dyson’s new CameraJet toothbrush.

 What if social media isn’t hurting kids?

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Is social media driving teen mental health issues?

Sean Hollister got his hands and face on Valve's new VR headset, the Steam Frame. It's expensive, starting at more than $1,000. It's buggy — he and CNET's Scott Stein both felt like beta testers as they reviewed it. But it's also full of interesting ideas, including the promise that Steam games could one day come to your mobile phone. This week on The Vergecast, Sean and Scott discuss who exactly this device is for, in a world that mostly seems to have moved on from VR.

Further reading:

 Is it time for AI companies to press pause?

 Waymo pulls over, calls cops on riders with a ghost gun

 Your car is selling your data

 LG responds to TV spying allegations

 The Steam Frame is made for irresponsible hardware nerds like me

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Who is the $1,059 Steam VR headset for?

GoPro CEO Nick Woodman joins The Verge's Nilay Patel and Sean O'Kane to discuss GoPro's recent launches, occupying a space with few competitors, and why it pulled out of the drone market.
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GoPro CEO Nick Woodman on how to compete without competition

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