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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship daily podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And Monday through Thursday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

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This week's iPhone 18 Pro discourse made aperture a priority, but today on Vergecast we zoom out to talk about the state of smart phone photography at large. Executive editor Jake Kastrenakes, guest host David Imel and senior reviewer Allison Johnson get into manual controls, "buckets of photons," and Apple and Google's strategies on how to prove a picture you took is real. Then, senior AI reporter Hayden Field returns to The Vergecast, just a few new revelations of misaligned behavior since her last appearance. She breaks down who's calling for a slowdown, who's full steam ahead, and the prisoner's dilemma facing the industry. And in the lightning round, we cover robotaxis calling the cops, the Boox Palma 3 e-reader, and the latest crop of intentionally low-quality digital cameras.

Further reading:

 Version History: Oregon trail

 iPhone 18 Pro review: it's all about the manual controls

 The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera

 Apple’s new iPhone camera mode promises to prove your photo isn’t AI

 Inside the suddenly explosive world of AI safety

 Your robotaxi might be a narc

 Waymo pulls over, calls cops on riders with a ghost gun

 The Boox Palma 3 gets stylus support and a sleek redesign

 Camp Snap’s 110D gives slim retro film cameras a digital upgrade

 Fujifilm’s Instax Pal 2 is a tiny digital camera that may not disappoint

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0:00 Welcome and lineup00:30 Version History returns02:08 Oregon Trail livestream plug02:36 Apple camera geekout02:59 Apple's new CEO Emmy moment05:23 iPhone 18 Pro upgrades08:33 Pro controls usability11:46 RAW vs ProRAW explained14:35 Signal to noise deep dive21:35 Photographic styles debate25:25 Reference Image authenticity32:40 What we want next41:40 AI safety drama begins42:36 AI Safety Freakout46:10 Liability And Regulation51:34 China Race Narrative54:43 Pace The Frontier Plan55:54 Auditors Inside Labs01:00:22 Prisoners Dilemma Problem01:04:38 Accountability Dead End01:08:45 Waymo Calls The Cops01:14:56 The E Reader Race01:19:56 Tiny Retro Cameras01:26:32 Wrap Up And Goodbye

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The real story of the iPhone 18 Pro's camera

Senior reviewers Allison Johnson and Victoria Song trade host and guest duties in a Vergecasting ouroboros that's never been attempted before and will probably never be attempted again. Allison talks about the iPhone 18 Pro's new camera, Victoria talks about the Watch 12 and Ultra 4's new sensors, and they both give their verdicts on who should upgrade.

Further reading:

 The iPhone 18 Pro’s big camera update is all about the small gains

 The Apple Watch Series 12 is the start of a new wearable era

 Your ‘health age’ is fake

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Apple's new iPhones and Watches are better than the last ones

Last week, an Anthropic researcher resigned and posted on X, "The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade." These warnings are nothing new, but this one managed to break into the mainstream. So, do the people making AI really think it could kill us all? How? And if it really could be as dangerous as they say, why would anyone continue to work on it? Senior AI reporter Hayden Field joined us to answer your questions about the AI freakout.

Further reading:

 The iPhone 18 Pro’s big camera update is all about the small gains

 Meta is reportedly ready to launch less pervy smart glasses

 The Boox Palma 3 gets stylus support and a sleek redesign

 Worried Anthropic researchers warn that AI ‘could kill all humans’

 What execs and politicians are saying about slowing down AI development

 Is Big Tech’s AI slowdown a safety pact or a cartel?

 Trump and Mike Johnson think the AI industry is overreacting

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Your AI apocalypse questions, answered

Two years ago, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt released his book, The Anxious Generation. In it, he argued that the rise of social media and smartphone use is to blame for the prominent decline in teen mental health since 2010. This month, psychology researcher Peter Gray takes on that narrative with his book, Restoring Childhood. In a conversation with senior policy reporter Lauren Feiner, Gray argues that school — not social media — is the real culprit.

Further reading:

 The premium AirPods 5 are the best open-ear earbuds Apple has made

 All dressed up with hardware to go.

 A street photographer tested Dyson’s new CameraJet toothbrush.

 What if social media isn’t hurting kids?

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Is social media driving teen mental health issues?

Sean Hollister got his hands and face on Valve's new VR headset, the Steam Frame. It's expensive, starting at more than $1,000. It's buggy — he and CNET's Scott Stein both felt like beta testers as they reviewed it. But it's also full of interesting ideas, including the promise that Steam games could one day come to your mobile phone. This week on The Vergecast, Sean and Scott discuss who exactly this device is for, in a world that mostly seems to have moved on from VR.

Further reading:

 Is it time for AI companies to press pause?

 Waymo pulls over, calls cops on riders with a ghost gun

 Your car is selling your data

 LG responds to TV spying allegations

 The Steam Frame is made for irresponsible hardware nerds like me

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Who is the $1,059 Steam VR headset for?

Apple did the one more thing: This week it announced its much-anticipated folding phone. It also announced some surprising and controversial new AI features for Apple Watch, including "Live Rewind," which gives the user a text transcript of the last 15 seconds of real life.

On today's Vergecast, Allison Johnson and Vee Song report back from California after having more hands-on time with Apple's new devices. Plus, Nilay Patel and David Imel take another swing at discussing Mac Minis and local LLMs with AI researcher CJ Trowbridge. Finally, Allison and Jake tackle some non-Apple stories in the truly rapid-fire thunder round.

Further reading:

 iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max: Our first hands-on impressions

 The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera

 Hands-on with the foldable iPhone Duo

 Hands-on with the new Apple Watch Series 12 and Apple Watch Ultra 4

 Apple Watch Series 12 has an always-on Siri that makes AI recaps of your day

 Read the Apple document explaining how new listening features still protect your privacy

 Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn’t use their work

 OpenAI’s sly mathematical breakthrough sends a chill through academia

 Drama swirls around OpenAI’s legendary mathematical milestone

 The Trump phone just got a $250 price hike

 Six years later, Sony revisits its legendary XM4 headphones

 Hori’s electronic Ocarina of Time requires no musical talent.

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We unfolded the iPhone Duo

For years, big tech companies have embedded their products into the classroom whether through Google's Chromebooks or computer science curricula developed by Apple or Microsoft. The industry pushed a generation of kids to foster coding skills with the promise of high-paying jobs. Now, those students are finding themselves less in demand as AI takes over, and the industry seems to be repeating its playbook. Senior policy reporter Lauren Feiner talks to Natasha Singer, author of the new book "Coding Kids," about how big tech worked its way into the classroom, and why Natasha is optimistic about educators’ response to the AI push.

Further reading:

 Schools are catching on to Big Tech’s playbook

 Worried Anthropic researchers warn that AI ‘could kill all humans’

 Meta’s Muse AI works and creeps me out

 Another big James Talarico interview is punted to YouTube due to FCC threats

 Apple asks: have you ever imagined iOS devices doin’ it?

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Schools are catching onto tech’s playbook

Live from Apple Park, Nilay Patel and Victoria Song join Jake Kastrenakes, Dominic Preston and Cameron Faulkner to talk about the iPhone Duo and the new Apple Watches. We also talk about the new iPhone 18 Pro's variable aperture and the AirPods 5.

Further reading:

 All the news from Apple’s ‘Surprise and shine’ event

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The folding iPhone Duo is finally here | The Vergecast Livestream

At this year's London Marathon, two runners completed the route in under two hours, becoming the first people to ever do so on an official course. It's a feat that Outside magazine's Alex Hutchinson once thought wouldn't be accomplished until 2075. The Verge's senior policy reporter (and marathoner) Lauren Feiner talks to Alex about "super shoes" and the other surprising technological advances that led to this moment.

Further reading:

 The Fairphone 6 Plus is the midrange phone we desperately needed

 The real reason your phone is getting more expensive

 What to expect at Apple’s September 9th launch event

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The tech that made a 2-hour marathon possible

OpenAI announced its next big model, GPT-6 Astra, and also, by the way, that AGI is here now.Today on The Vergecast, we've got an all-star panel to break down the news of the week.First, senior AI reporter Hayden Field joins us to talk about our supposed AGI era and Nvidia's acquisition of Hugging Face. Then, our friend Joanna Stern pops in to talk about new Apple CEO John Ternus, old Apple CEO Tim Cook, and to, most importantly, speculate on the format of next week's Apple keynote.We wrap things up with a super-special lightning round from the IFA electronics show in Berlin. Senior reviewer Jennifer Pattison Tuohy and editor Dominic Preston each pick out the five most interesting gadgets they saw at the show.And two more things: Vergecast producer Travis Larchuk pops in to tell his tale of identity theft woe and warn you that he isn't the one DMing you on Twitter to ask you to be on The Vergecast. Plus, Brendan Carr is a dummy.

Further reading:

 OpenAI’s next big AI model has ‘entered the AGI era’

 Researchers fear safety disaster ahead of OpenAI’s Astra release

 OpenAI delayed its new model’s development after the Hugging Face hack

 Nvidia is buying Hugging Face for almost $13 billion

 John Ternus sends first memo as Apple CEO teasing a ‘huge launch next week’

 Phil Schiller is leaving his biggest jobs at Apple

 Siri AI is already changing how I use my iPhone

 IFA 2026: the biggest tech and gadget announcements

 This might be the fanciest toothbrush launch ever.

 Anker’s new MindBase is an AI-powered brain for your smart home

 This NAS company wants to run your local smart home

 I want to wrap myself in Hue’s new Liane rope lights

 Homey just made the smart home controller I hoped Apple would

 The robot butler dream doesn’t have legs

 Here’s Xiaomi’s wide 18 Fold

 I held the first truly bezel-free phone

 Acer’s new concept hardware is a gaming handheld with a keyboard

 Lenovo’s new MacBook Neo competitor comes in two sizes and seven colors

 Packard Bell is back, and more colorful than ever.

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0:00 Welcome00:46 Fake Travis warning03:01 OpenAI's Astra model05:45 Safeguards and delays08:55 Opaque recurrence fears13:08 What Astra does well18:08 Access tiers and rollout19:53 Nvidia buys Hugging Face23:04 Is this really AGI26:28 AGI vibes and Microsoft clause32:17 Apple event preview33:41 Ternus keynote politics39:43 Keynote Vibes Shift40:23 Tim Cook Era Review44:56 Services And Fees Machine47:15 Phil Schiller Steps Back49:52 Event Predictions Fold And AI55:43 Siri AI Real Use Cases58:32 Smart Home Display Rumors59:47 Bets And Keynote Structure01:05:19 Brendan Carr Is A Dummy01:09:23 IFA Lightning Round01:10:49 Philips Hue Smart Lighting01:11:03 Hue Rope Light Rave01:11:44 Sticker Shock Pricing01:13:03 Xiaomi Wide Foldable01:15:43 Dyson Camera Toothbrush01:20:31 Tecno Bezelless Concept01:22:42 Local AI Smart Home Hub01:27:09 MacBook Neo Clones01:29:35 Homey Dial Controller01:33:39 Acer DualPlay Handheld01:36:19 Dreame Humanoid Robot01:39:44 Packard Bell Revival01:42:17 Wrap Up And Credits
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AGI is whatever you want it to be

The Verge's Victoria Song and Kylie Robison join the show to talk about all of Google's recent AI and XR announcements, and the company's big and Gemini-powered vision for the future of computing. Then Chris Grant, the group publisher for Polygon and The Verge, explains why GTA VI and the Nintendo Switch 2 are so important to the future of gaming — plus a few predictions about how they'll turn out. Finally, The Verge's Helen Havlak answers a hotline question about how she plans her garden in Figma. Which is a real thing she really does.
Further reading:

The Vergecast at CES – come see us on January 8th!

Google launched Gemini 2.0, its new AI model for practically everything

Google’s AI enters its ‘agentic era’

I saw Google’s plan to put Android on your face

GTA VI: all the news on Rockstar’s next entry in the Grand Theft Auto series

Switch 2: all the news and rumors on Nintendo’s next console

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