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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, hosts Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And every Tuesday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

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There’s a new biggest name in EVs, and if you live in the US, you pretty much can’t buy one. But before we get to that, we have some stuff to catch up on: The Verge's Hayden Field joins us for a round of “Big Deal Medium Deal Small Deal” with some AI news, from the launch of ChatGPT Health to the recent viral moment for Claude Code. After that, The Verge’s Andy Hawkins joins the show to explain how BYD recently eclipsed Tesla as the world’s largest seller of electric vehicles, what makes its cars so desirable, and when you, too, might be able to buy a Dolphin Surf. Finally, David tackles a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about giving your kids iPads instead of iPhones, and whether all screen time is created equal.

Further reading:

 Car influencers love Chinese EVs — and China loves them back

 Tesla’s fourth quarter sales fell a lot more than expected

 From Inside EVs: A Guide To BYD, The Chinese Automaker That Just Surpassed Tesla

 Anthropic wants you to use Claude to ‘Cowork’ in latest AI agent push

 Anthropic shakes up C-suite to expand its internal incubator

 
OpenAI launches ChatGPT Health, encouraging users to connect their medical records

 Google brings buy buttons to Gemini and AI search

 Grok is undressing children — can the law stop it?

 Google is taking over your Gmail inbox with AI

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How BYD beat Tesla

Nearly two years ago, Apple showed off what an AI-powered Siri might do. That Siri never materialized, but thanks to a deal with Google for its Gemini tech, it might finally have a chance to work. David and Nilay discuss the ins and outs of the deal, and what it might mean for both Apple's and Google's ambitions in AI. (They also talk about the onslaught of new lawsuits from publishers related to Google's adtech antitrust case, including from our parent company Vox Media. Disclosure is our brand.) After that, they talk about Grok's horrific deepfake problem on X, and why everyone involved deserves the blame. Then it's time to pour one out for VR and the metaverse, which is losing steam as Meta loses interest and continues to pivot to AI. RIP Supernatural, a surprise hit of an exercise app! Finally, in the lightning round, it's time for Brendan Carr is a Dummy, the latest Paramount / Warner / Netflix drama, the Trump Phone, and the Digg reboot.

Further reading:

 The Atlantic, Penske, and Vox Media have all sued Google for antitrust violations

 Apple picks Google’s Gemini AI for its big Siri upgrade

 What Apple and Google’s Gemini deal means for both companies

 Google’s Gemini AI will use what it knows about you from Gmail, Search, and YouTube 

 Why Google Gemini looks poised to win the AI race over OpenAI 

 A “conscious decision” from OpenAI. 

 X hasn’t really stopped Grok AI from undressing women in the UK 

 Advocacy groups demand Apple and Google block X from app stores 

 UK pushes up a law criminalizing deepfake nudes in response to Grok

 
X claims it has stopped Grok from undressing people, but of course it hasn’t 

 Meta plans to lay off hundreds of metaverse employees this week 

 Meta confirms Reality Labs layoffs and shifts to invest more in wearables 

 Meta is closing down three VR studios as part of its metaverse cuts 

 Meta’s layoffs hit the studio that made Batman: Arkham Shadow, too. 

 Supernatural Will No Longer Get New Content Or Features

 FTC won’t appeal court decision permitting Meta to buy Within

 The best thing to do in VR is work out

 FCC chair Brendan Carr is pressed on removing ‘independent’ from its website. 

 Verizon gets FCC permission to end 60-day phone unlocking rule 

 Anthropic wants you to use Claude to ‘Cowork’ in latest AI agent push 

 
Paramount sues after Warner Bros. Discovery rejects its latest deal Netflix is reportedly considering an all-cash offer for Warner Bros. 

 The new Digg is launching an open beta. 

 Elon Musk Cannot Get Away With This

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Siri is a Gemini

January brings two things in Vergecast-land: CES, and New Years' Resolutions. We start this episode with a dive into the story of this year's biggest tech show, the Lego Smart Brick, which is either a clever way of thinking about creativity or the end of creativity as we know it. Sean Hollister explains how the Smart Brick works, and how Lego can make sure it ends the right way. Then, Platformer's Casey Newton discusses his productivity system, his adventures in Claude Code, and how you too can make yourself a little more productive this year — with or without AI.

Further reading:

 Lego announces Smart Brick, the ‘most significant evolution’ in 50 years

 Lego’s Smart Bricks aren’t just an experiment

 I played with the Lego Smart Brick

 From Platformer: The project that turned me into a Claude Code believer

 From Platformer: What I learned about productivity this year

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How Lego’s Smart Brick works

The theme of CES 2026 is gadgets. It's always gadgets. This year more than most, though, the world's biggest tech show is about how fast the hardware world is moving — and how much work the software, and the AI, have to do to catch up. On stage live at the Brooklyn Bowl in Las Vegas, David and Nilay talk through some of the biggest news of the week, from robots to laptops to AI cuddle buddies, to see what's really going to matter in tech this year.

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Live from CES: What is the point of a robot that falls over?

2026 is just beginning, and it's already time for the biggest gadget event of the year. As the Verge team heads to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show, David and Nilay run through as many of the newly announced products as they can. There are robots, art TVs, phones, more robots, smart Legos, smart home gizmos, and still more robots. Some of this stuff will ship, and might even be a big hit. Some of it, well, won't. But it's all an interesting look into what's happening in tech right now.Also: if you're in Vegas for CES, come see us live! We'll be at the Brooklyn Bowl on Wednesday, January 7th, for live recordings of Decoder and The Vergecast, and we'd love to see you there.

Further reading:

 ⁠This robot companion is a cameraman for your pet ⁠

 ⁠LG says its CLOiD home robot will be folding laundry and making breakfast at CES ⁠

 ⁠SwitchBot brings a humanoid home robot to CES ⁠

 ⁠You can’t buy Zeroth’s WALL-E robot in the US, but you can get its cousin ⁠

 ⁠This startup brought WALL-E to life and will also sell you WALL-E’s weird cousin⁠

 ⁠Kicking Robots, by James Vincent⁠

 ⁠The Clicks Power Keyboard is also a backup battery for your phone ⁠

 ⁠The Clicks Communicator is a BlackBerry for your phone ⁠

 ⁠I just want to keep unfolding the Samsung Z TriFold ⁠

 ⁠The Aliro smart lock standard for NFC and UWB unlocking will launch this year ⁠

 ⁠Lutron adds smart wood blinds to its Caséta line. ⁠

 ⁠Bosch’s fancy coffee machine is getting Alexa Plus ⁠

 ⁠The new Ultraloq smart lock uses both your face and your palm to let you in ⁠

 ⁠Lockin’s new vein-scanning smart lock has a video doorbell and recharges wirelessly ⁠

 ⁠Hands-on with the Mui Board: a wooden smart home controller ⁠

 ⁠The Mui Board will support mmWave sleep tracking and gesture control ⁠

 ⁠You can unlock SwitchBot’s first deadbolt smart lock with your face ⁠

 ⁠Lifx launches a smart mirror and a $30 dimmer switch that can control smart bulbs ⁠

 ⁠Lockly’s new smart locks will support Matter and NFC ⁠

 ⁠GE Lighting’s new Matter-compatible smart shades start at just $300 ⁠

 ⁠The LG OLED evo W6 Wallpaper TV makes its return at CES ⁠

 ⁠RGB is the next big thing in OLED gaming monitors ⁠

 ⁠Belkin’s new HDMI adapter wirelessly connects to screens from 130 feet ⁠

 ⁠LG’s new Gallery TV, designed for displaying art, will be at CES 2026 ⁠

 ⁠Samsung brings back the Timeless Frame with its biggest Micro RGB TV at CES. ⁠

 ⁠TCL debuts a new quantum dot and color filter technology with the X11L ⁠

 ⁠Gemini on Google TV is getting Nano Banana and voice-controlled settings ⁠

 ⁠Amazon announces a Samsung Frame competitor with the Ember Artline TV ⁠

 ⁠Amazon Fire TV OS gets a revamp that’s more modern and pleasing ⁠

 ⁠LG’s new karaoke-ready party speaker uses AI to remove song vocals ⁠

 ⁠Would you let AI cut your hair? ⁠

 ⁠A developer for a ‘major food delivery app’ says the ‘algorithms are rigged against you⁠

 ⁠Lego announces Smart Brick, the ‘most significant evolution’ in 50 years | The Verge⁠

 ⁠Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is now blogging about AI slop ⁠

 ⁠“Feed is dead.” ⁠

 ⁠Adam Mosseri on how Instagram exists in the age of AI-generated images⁠

 ⁠The Trump phone just missed another release date ⁠

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The robots, phones and Lego of CES 2026

The iPhone 4 was one of the best iPhones ever — and definitely the most dramatic iPhone ever. It was lost in a bar in California, sold to Gizmodo, and published for the world to see months before its launch. The phone itself had a bunch of important new features, and one that spawned Antennagate. In this episode, David Pierce, Nilay Patel, and longtime tech columnist Walt Mossberg tell the whole story of the phone, its legacy, and its place in tech blog history.

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Version History: iPhone 4

The world runs on RAM, and RAM is harder than ever to get your hands on. What’s happening here? Every year, the Vergecast team spends the holiday season going deep on a single spec or technology, and this year it’s all about Random Access Memory. (No, that’s not a Daft Punk album.) Nilay, David, and Sean Hollister explain what RAM is, why it matters, how it became a precious commodity, and what it means for the future of chips around the world. We also play some games. We do… okay at the games. Happy Holidays!

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The Vergecast RAM Holiday Spec-Tacular

Google didn't invent the concept of smart glasses, but it was one of the first companies to actually put them on people's faces. It was a revolution, and also a problem: Google made face computers extremely uncool, and its early user base was so off-putting they became collectively known as “Glassholes.” The Verge’s Victoria Song and Waveform’s David Imel break down why Glass failed — despite being shockingly right about the future of technology.

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Version History: Google Glass

Åhead of our last Friday episode of 2025, FCC Chairman Brendan Carr did The Vergecast an enormous favor: he went in front of Congress and said a bunch of wild things about regulation. So, of course, Nilay and David have to talk about them. For a really long time. After that, the hosts look at all the ways YouTube and Netflix are becoming more like one another, and then update the Go90 Scale of Doomed Streaming Services to round out the year. Finally, in the lightning round, there's talk of web apps, EVs, Bluesky, and the metaverse.

Further reading:

 The Vergecast live at CES

 Brendan Carr doesn’t regret his threats to broadcasters 

 Former FCC Chairman Michael Powell: ‘Cable companies are at the mercy of content companies’

 The Oscars will stream on YouTube in 2029 

 Netflix’s next big TV game is FIFA soccer 

 My Favorite Murder and The Breakfast Club podcasts are ditching YouTube for Netflix 

 Warner Bros. wants its shareholders to reject Paramount’s latest offer 

 Netflix is “100% committed” to releasing WB films in theaters. 

 Even Jared Kushner thinks the Paramount WB bid sucks.

 Peacock will bombard you with ads as soon as you open the app 

 HBO Max’s new channels keep Friends and Game of Thrones playing 24/7 

 Instagram is putting Reels on your TV 

 LG forced a Copilot web app onto its TVs but will let you delete it

 Mercedes-Benz discontinues feature that syncs music to driving

 Ford’s big bet on EVs didn’t pan out — now it’s pivoting to hybrids and energy storage

 Bluesky claims its new contact import feature is ‘privacy-first’ 

 Gemini 3 Flash is here, bringing a ‘huge’ upgrade to the Gemini app 

 The ChatGPT app store is here

 Alexa Plus’ website is live for some users 

 Meta pauses third-party Horizon VR headsets program 

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Brendan Carr is a dummy

Who's going to win the Super Bowl? What about the latest season of Survivor? Or the race to be the next chair of the Federal Reserve? Who will be Portugal's next president? How many times will Elon Musk tweet in the next week? On Polymarket, and other prediction markets, you can bet on all these things and more. Are we entering a world in which everything is gambling and gambling is everything? Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal joins the show to explain the rise of prediction markets, what's betting and what's investing, and more. Then, The Verge's Hayden Field teaches us about Model Context Protocol, a wonky bit of AI infrastructure that might be key to making AI agents work. MCP is barely a year old, and practically all of tech is ready to embrace it. Finally, Hayden helps David answer a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about why every AI company seems to want you to go shopping.

Further reading:

 Are prediction markets gambling? Robinhood CEO Vlad Tenev is betting not

 Election night at Kalshi HQ

 
Joe Weisenthal at Bloomberg

 From Bloomberg: My Biggest Question About Prediction Markets

 Anthropic launches tool to connect AI systems directly to datasets

 AI companies want a new internet — and they think they’ve found the key

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Everything is gambling now

Everything is too complicated. Asurion CEO Tony Detter joins Verge editor-in-chief, Nilay Patel to discuss simplifying our experience with tech products, the problems with closed eco-systems and why an insurance company like Asurion got involved with tech support.
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Everything is too hard to use, with Asurion CEO Tony Detter

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