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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, hosts Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And every Tuesday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

The Vergecast

This week on The Vergecast, the co-founder and former CEO of iRobot, Colin Angle, joins The Verge’s smart home reviewer, Jennifer Pattison Tuohy, to discuss what the ideal home robot is. Are we close to creating a Rosie the Robot — an all-in-one humanoid robot that can take care of our homes, or should we take an entirely different approach to home robotics? They dive into the advances in technology powering this shift and ponder what purpose robotics in the home should really serve.

Then, Jen takes a journey back into smart home history to help us understand its future. Grant Erickson, Principal of Nuovations, a former Apple, Nest, and Google engineer who was part of the team that developed Thread, joins the show.

He shares the story of how and why, back in 2011, the Nest team, led by Tony Faddell and Matt Rogers, decided to create a smart home protocol. It involves a thermostat, fragmented ecosystems, and one of the best smart home products ever made.

They discuss how Thread became the foundation of the Matter smart home standard — an unprecedented industry collaboration with a herculean task — to make the smart home simpler.

To close out the show, Grant sticks around to help answer a Vergecast hotline question (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com) about how Matter manages your data.

Further reading:

 
Maybe I don’t want a Rosey the Robot after all

 
Amazon left Roomba with a huge mess to clean up

 
Figure will start ‘alpha testing’ its humanoid robot in the home in 2025

 
Amazon Astro review: too much Alexa, not enough arms

 
Samsung is finally releasing Ballie

 
This Pixar-style dancing lamp hints at Apple’s future home robot

 
iRobot’s founder is working on a new kind of home robot

 
iRobot OS is the newest ‘brain’ for your Roomba

 
Amazon bought iRobot to see inside your home

 
I tested a robot vacuum with an arm, and my dog may never forgive me

 
Inside the Nest: iPod creator Tony Fadell wants to reinvent the thermostat

 
Nest CEO Tony Fadell on Google acquisition

 
Fire drill: Can Tony Fadell and Nest build a better smoke detector?

 
How big companies kill ideas — and how to fight back, with Tony Fadell

 
Situation: there are too many competing smart home standards

 
Matter’s plan to save the smart home

 
Nest’s home security system costs $499 and comes with magnetic door sensors

 
Google says Matter is still set to fix the biggest smart home frustrations

 
Thread is Matter’s secret sauce for a better smart home

 
Nanoleaf launches a smart switch after eight years of trying

 
Thread count: Ikea is stitching together a smarter home

 
Why Thread is Matter’s biggest problem right now

 
The four changes in Thread 1.4 that could fix the protocol

 
It could be 2026 before all your Thread border routers work together

 
Matter will be better in 2025 — say the people who make it

 
The Nest Learning Thermostat gets its biggest upgrade in over a decade

 
killedbygoogle.com

 
Google’s ADT partnership finally has a new home security product to show for it

 
Google discontinues Nest Protect smoke alarm and Nest x Yale door lock

 
Google discontinues its Google Nest Secure alarm system

 
Appliance makers are teaming up to reduce your electricity usage — and save you cash

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Do we really want Rosie the Robot?

GPT-5 is here, and it’s not going so well. This week on The Vergecast, Jake, Vee, and Hayden discuss the bumpy launch of OpenAI’s latest model and why GPT-5 isn’t as big of a leap as GPT-4. 

Then, everyone shares their vibe coding projects and the bumpy journey to making anything usable. After that, our newest segment: Corporate Shenanigans, where we rate the week in strange corporate moves on a scale from “actually serious” to “total joke.” 

Finally, the Thunder Round returns, new and improved, to discuss ditching your phone for a smartwatch, doctors relying too much on AI, AOL dial-up shutting down, the Pebble Time 2, and why you shouldn’t trust what AI chatbots say about themselves.

Further reading:

 ChatGPT won’t remove old models without warning after GPT-5 backlash

 OpenAI will update GPT-5’s “personality” after user backlash

 ChatGPT is bringing back 4o as an option because people missed it

 Sam Altman shared more about what went wrong with those GPT-5 graphs

 OpenAI gives some employees a ‘special’ multimillion-dollar bonus

 Anthropic just made its latest move in the AI coding wars

 Anthropic’s Claude chatbot can now remember your past conversations

 Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5 billion

 Apple is suing Apple Cinemas

 Apple Cinemas responds to Apple lawsuit

 Apple returns blood oxygen monitoring to the latest Apple Watches

 Elon Musk says he’s suing Apple for rigging App Store rankings

 Ditching my phone for an LTE smartwatch was a humbling experience

 
Here’s a look at the final Pebble Time 2 design 

 Some doctors got worse at detecting cancer after relying on AI

 Google’s healthcare AI made up a body part — what happens when doctors don’t notice?

 Chatbots aren’t telling you their secrets

 AOL is finally shutting down dial-up

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Vibe coding through the GPT-5 mess

This week on The Vergecast, we enter the Jen-era of Hot Girl Vergecast Summer, with a deep dive into the business of the smart home. The Verge’s smart home reviewer, Jennifer Pattison Tuohy (aka Jen), chats with Ken Fairbanks, a longtime customer of Insteon who ended up buying the smart lighting company when it went into bankruptcy.

Ken shares the story of how one of the original smart lighting protocols, founded in the post-X10 era when home automation moved from wired to wireless, floundered, and how he and a band of users brought it back from the dead. He dishes what he’s learned about how to keep the lights on — from customer loyalty and the value of subscriptions, to what tariffs are doing to the industry and how some hardware companies are just pyramid schemes.

Then, in a special supersized (and we mean SUPER) Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com), Jen is joined by smart home expert Richard Gunther, co-host of The Smart Home Show, to tackle a bunch of your burning smart lighting questions. They answer everything from how to move your smart home to which Thread border router you should buy for your Matter setup. Plus, they run down their own smart lighting set-ups.

Further reading:

 Insteon’s troubles are a smart home tale as old as time

 Insteon Raises the Curtain for the Next Act

 Someone turned Insteon’s lights back on

 Insteon customers turned Insteon’s lights back on

 Thread count: Ikea is stitching together a smarter home

 Smart switches or smart bulbs? How to choose the right smart lighting for your home

 Controller for HomeKit

 Philips Hue Play sync box and gradient lightstrip review: wholly unnecessary, totally delightful

 Taming Wi-Fi in the Smart Home:

 Leviton’s new smart light switches don’t require a neutral wire

 Every smart home device that works with Matter

 Aqara’s new seven-inch home control tablet can replace a light switch

 These smart lights could solve the kitchen cabinet problem

 Hue launches a pricey new sunrise lamp

 Smart string light showdown: Nanoleaf versus Lifx

 The best floodlight camera to buy right now

 How to move a smart home

 Moving a smart home - The Smart Home Show

 Living with the ghost of a smart home’s past

 Smart ceiling light showdown: Aqara T1M versus Nanoleaf Skylight

 Binding should be the next big thing for smart home devices

 Aqara adds support for 50 new Matter device types

 Flic is ready to control all your Matter devices

 Thread is Matter’s secret sauce for a better smart home

 Google Nest Thread border routers

 Google TV Streamer review: smarter than your average set-top box

 Google Nest Hub (2nd-gen) review: sleep on it

 Why Thread is Matter’s biggest problem right now

 
The four changes in Thread 1.4 that could fix the protocol

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How to save a smart home company

In this bonus episode of The Vergecast, Senior Reviewer Victoria Song sits down with a bunch of Verge staffers to talk about how they use AI tools in their everyday lives. Not all of it went smoothly — we definitely get into the ways these tools fall short — but we explore how AI can be used to help bedtime go more smoothly for parents, plan big cross-country moves, supplement your internet searches (always double-check!), and even vibe code an app for your next tabletop role-playing game.

If you have any examples where AI was useful to you, we’d love to hear them. (For what it’s worth, we’d also love to hear stories where it spectacularly failed.) Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you.
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We found stuff AI is pretty good at

It’s a huge week in AI, with OpenAI releasing GPT-OSS and GPT-5, Grok getting deeply problematic again with its “spicy” video generator, and Tim Cook admitting that Apple may need to cut some deals. Then we talk the age gating of the internet and how you might soon need an ID card to get just about anywhere online. Finally, the Lightning Round gets re-rebranded. Adi Robertson and Alex Heath join the show to discuss.

Further reading:

 GPT-5 is being released to all ChatGPT users

 OpenAI releases a free GPT model that can run on your laptop

 Why open-source AI became an American national priority

 Mark Zuckerberg promises you can trust him with superintelligent AI

 xAI’s new Grok image and video generator has a ‘spicy’ mode

 Grok’s ‘spicy’ video setting instantly made me Taylor Swift nude deepfakes

 I tested Grok’s Valentine sex chatbot and it (mostly) behaved

 Tim Cook says Apple ‘must’ figure out AI and ‘will make the investment to do it’

 Tim Cook says Apple is ‘open to’ AI acquisitions

 Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

 The UK is now age-gating the internet

 The UK is slogging through an online age-gate apocalyps

 The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

 Reddit and Discord’s UK age verification can be defeated by Death Stranding’s photo mode

 Reddit rolls out age verification in the UK to comply with new rules

 Five EU states to test age verification app to protect children

 The EU approach to age verification

 Commission presents guidelines and age verification app prototype for a safer online space for children

 Porn age-gating is the future of the internet, thanks to the Supreme Court

 The Supreme Court just upended internet law, and I have questions

 Florida Sues Huge Porn Sites Including XVideos and Bang Bros Over Age Verification Law

 “Over the last two and a half years, 19 states – home to more than a third of Americans – have passed laws that require pornography websites to confirm a user’s age by checking a government-issued ID or scanning their face, among other methods.”

 Google is using AI age checks to lock down user accounts

 Today's Supreme Court Decision on Age Verification Tramples Free Speech and Undermines Privacy

 Age Verification Harms Users of All Ages

 Blocking Access to Harmful Content Will Not Protect Children Online, No Matter How Many Times UK Politicians Say So

 Zero Knowledge Proofs Alone Are Not a Digital ID Solution to Protecting User Privacy

 Age Verification in the European Union: The Commission's Age Verification App

 RFK Jr. pulls $500 million in funding for mRNA vaccine contracts

 Epic just won its Google lawsuit again, and Android may never be the same

 Google has just two weeks to begin cracking open Android, it admits in emergency filing

 Instagram adds a reposts feed and rips off Snap Maps

 OpenAI charts crime

 OpenAI gets caught vibe graphing

 Nintendo raises the Switch 1 price from $299 to $339

 Apple says Trump’s tariffs are adding another $1 billion to its costs

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GPT-5's big new feature: less lying?

This week on The Vergecast, guest host Mia Sato talks to YouTube fitness pioneer Cassey Ho (better known as Blogilates) about the well-oiled machine that is the dupe economy. Ho shares her experience creating her own line of athletic wear that sooner or later gets ripped off by countless copycats — and how she tries to fight back. 

Then, Mia brings an audio diary from a visit to Fabscrap, a textile recycling facility in Brooklyn, that is working to save fabric and other materials from the landfill. Fashion is a wasteful industry, not unlike tech — luckily, there are people like Fabscrap staff and volunteers who are working towards solutions.

Finally, Victoria Song swings by to help answer a hotline question about how to make the high-tech Clueless closet a reality. If you have a question for us, call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com.

Further reading

 How dupes turned online shopping upside down

 Lululemon sues Costco over viral alleged “dupes”

 The US finally acknowledges textile waste in new report

 Your stuff is actually worse now

 Ghana becomes dumping ground for the world’s unwanted used clothes

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Online shopping is full of copycats

It’s time. The public betas for iOS 26, iPadOS 26, macOS 26, and more are finally out for everyone to try. Jake Kastrenakes, Vee Song, and Antonio G. Di Benedetto give their takes on Apple’s Liquid Glass design language after two months of living with it. Antonio shares his experiences with macOS and the upgraded Spotlight, and Vee dives into the ups and downs of watchOS’s AI fitness coach. Then, Andy Hawkins and Eater's Matthew Kang talk about Tesla’s rough quarter, the new Tesla Diner, and what Epic Bacon has to do with it all. Finally, the Thunder Round returns, and we all learn what Labubus are.

Further reading:

 ⁠Apple releases public betas of its new software updates with Liquid Glass⁠

 How to install the iOS 26 public beta

 The biggest changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 26

 ⁠Liquid Glass is fine, I guess⁠

 ⁠Apple’s Liquid Glass redesign is shaping up to be a snoozer on Macs⁠

 You can actually multitask on an iPad now and it’s the best new feature in 15 years

 watchOS 26 preview: a subtler take on AI

 ⁠Apple launches $20 subscription service to protect your gadgets⁠

 Tesla’s earnings hit a new low, with largest revenue drop in years

 Elon Musk finally admits the new, more affordable Tesla is just a stripped down Model Y

 Undeterred by limits, Elon Musk plots a big robotaxi expansion

 Everything Eater Editors Ate at the Tesla Diner in Los Angeles

 The Full Tesla Diner Menu, Revealed

 The Tesla Diner Will Track When Guests Are Nearby to Prepare Their Orders

 Inside the New Tesla Diner in Los Angeles

 Anti-Elon Musk protesters are coming for Tesla’s new diner

 Faraday Future is back with another wild EV that probably will never get made

 Amazon buys Bee AI

 Jake: AppleCare One is a good deal, but not for everyone

 Uber’s making it easier for women riders and drivers to find each other

 The frenzied, gamified chase for Labubus

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Diving into Apple’s Liquid Glass

Summer blockbusters like the new Superman and Jurassic World movies may be doing great at the box office, but promoting them is more complicated than ever. The old celebrity playbook of magazine profiles, TV chat shows and press junkets isn’t enough in an era of audience fragmentation. Publicists now have to strategize which podcasts to make time for, and whether their clients will eat chicken on YouTube with Amelia Dimoldenberg or Sean Evans.

This week on The Vergecast, guest host Mia Sato talks to Vulture’s Fran Hoepfner to break down the ever-changing new media circuit, whether you’re a beloved A-lister, a formerly-beloved A-lister, or an aspiring A-lister.

Then, we take a deep dive with Sarah Fackrell into a controversial legal tactic brands are using to go after online sellers hawking everything from grumpy cat T-shirts to closet hooks.

Finally, Victoria Song joins Mia to answer a Vergecast hotline from a listener wondering whether an AI translator will be able to keep up with his partner’s Colombian mother. If you’ve got a question for us, call 866-VERGE11 or e-mail vergecast@theverge.com.

Further reading:

 
Box Office: ‘Superman’ Surpasses $400 Million Globally, ‘Jurassic World Rebirth’ Nears $650 Million Milestone

 
The Celebrity Press-Tour Road Map

 
Fame and Frustration On the New Media Circuit

 
Sydney woman who sold a cartoon cat T-shirt told to pay US$100,000 in Grumpy Cat copyright case

 
How Does a Mom Get Slapped With a $250,000 Judgment Over $380 of Homemade Luke Combs Merch? Experts Cite ‘Cottage Industry’ of Mass Counterfeit Suits in Illinois

 
A SAD Scheme of Abusive Intellectual Property Litigation

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A-lister antics and Schedule A shenanigans

Would you like Siri more if it had a face? This week on The Vergecast, we’re talking about AI assistants getting smarter… and uncomfortably personal. The Verge’s Jennifer Pattison Tuohy joins the show to talk about her early tests of Alexa Plus, which is finally AI-powered and a lot more capable. Jake shares his uncomfortable first interaction with Grok’s anime girlfriend. And Waveform cohost David Imel is here to talk about Sony’s RX1R III and other premium “compact” cameras. 

Finally, the THUNDER ROUND is back. New, improved, and still loud.

Further reading:

 24 hours with Alexa Plus: we cooked, we chatted, and it kinda lied to me

 
Alexa Plus launches to “small number” of people More than a million people now have Alexa Plus

 Elon Musk’s AI bot adds a ridiculous anime companion with ‘NSFW’ mode

 I spent 24 hours flirting with Elon Musk’s AI girlfriend

 System prompt dump of xAI / Grok’s new AI anime girlfriend

 Elon Musk teases AI anime boyfriend based on Edward Cullen

 “We will, of course, have another character inspired by Mr. Darcy”

 xAI has open roles for building AI “waifus.”

 US government announces $200 million Grok contract a week after ‘MechaHitler’ incident

 Grok will no longer call itself Hitler or base its opinions on Elon Musk’s, promises xAI

 Sony’s pocket-sized RX1R camera returns with its first update in 10 years

 
Original RX1R 

 RX1R II

 Google exec: ‘We’re going to be combining ChromeOS and Android’

 Our biggest questions about ChromeOS and Android merging

 
 Ikea goes all in on Matter/Thread

 
Eric Migicovsky 

 Texts.com

 Google Nest subscription

 The next batch of emoji includes Bigfoot

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The creepy AI era is here

On this episode of The Vergecast, we’re going to dive deep into why accessible design is universal design. First, guest host Victoria Song will chat with Jason Valley, a visually impaired Verge reader. Jason initially reached out to Victoria after her Live AI hands-on, challenging the notion that the feature was a “solution looking for a problem to solve.” Jason shares how the tech has helped him live a more independent life, what he’s hoping to see improve, and how the blind and low-vision community has enthusiastically embraced the technology. 

After that, Victoria sits down with Be My Eyes CEO Mike Buckley. Be My Eyes is an app that pairs blind and low-vision users with sighted volunteers to help them go about their day. Buckley gives his thoughts about how accessible tech design benefits everyone, why smart glasses and AI are a natural combo, and what challenges and opportunities in this space remain. 

And finally, we have features reporter Mia Sato on to answer a spicy question about smart glasses from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com). Specifically, do smart glasses belong in the bedroom? 

Further reading:

 Live AI on Meta’s smart glasses is a solution looking for a problem

 Meta’s smart glasses can now describe what you’re seeing in more detail

 The Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses actually make the future look cool

 Be My Eyes AI offers GPT-4-powered support for blind Microsoft customers

 The principles of wearable etiquette

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How the low-vision community embraced AI smart glasses

In an emergency Vergecast, The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, Adi Robertson, and Russell Brandom discuss the ruling today in the Epic v. Apple trial.
Further reading:

Apple must allow other forms of in-app purchases, rules judge in Epic v. Apple

Epic v. Apple judge rules Fortnite’s Peely can appear naked in court

Epic will appeal the Epic v. Apple decision

Will Fortnite return to iOS? Probably not any time soon

The future of the App Store depends on the difference between a ‘button’ and an ‘external link’

The Apple App Store: A brief history of major policy changes 

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Epic v. Apple judge rules that Apple must allow other forms of in-app purchases

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