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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship daily podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And Monday through Thursday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

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Apple did the one more thing: This week it announced its much-anticipated folding phone. It also announced some surprising and controversial new AI features for Apple Watch, including "Live Rewind," which gives the user a text transcript of the last 15 seconds of real life.

On today's Vergecast, Allison Johnson and Vee Song report back from California after having more hands-on time with Apple's new devices. Plus, Nilay Patel and David Imel take another swing at discussing Mac Minis and local LLMs with AI researcher CJ Trowbridge. Finally, Allison and Jake tackle some non-Apple stories in the truly rapid-fire thunder round.

Further reading:

 iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max: Our first hands-on impressions

 The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera

 Hands-on with the foldable iPhone Duo

 Hands-on with the new Apple Watch Series 12 and Apple Watch Ultra 4

 Apple Watch Series 12 has an always-on Siri that makes AI recaps of your day

 Read the Apple document explaining how new listening features still protect your privacy

 Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn’t use their work

 OpenAI’s sly mathematical breakthrough sends a chill through academia

 Drama swirls around OpenAI’s legendary mathematical milestone

 The Trump phone just got a $250 price hike

 Six years later, Sony revisits its legendary XM4 headphones

 Hori’s electronic Ocarina of Time requires no musical talent.

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We unfolded the iPhone Duo

For years, big tech companies have embedded their products into the classroom whether through Google's Chromebooks or computer science curricula developed by Apple or Microsoft. The industry pushed a generation of kids to foster coding skills with the promise of high-paying jobs. Now, those students are finding themselves less in demand as AI takes over, and the industry seems to be repeating its playbook. Senior policy reporter Lauren Feiner talks to Natasha Singer, author of the new book "Coding Kids," about how big tech worked its way into the classroom, and why Natasha is optimistic about educators’ response to the AI push.

Further reading:

 Schools are catching on to Big Tech’s playbook

 Worried Anthropic researchers warn that AI ‘could kill all humans’

 Meta’s Muse AI works and creeps me out

 Another big James Talarico interview is punted to YouTube due to FCC threats

 Apple asks: have you ever imagined iOS devices doin’ it?

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Schools are catching onto tech’s playbook

Live from Apple Park, Nilay Patel and Victoria Song join Jake Kastrenakes, Dominic Preston and Cameron Faulkner to talk about the iPhone Duo and the new Apple Watches. We also talk about the new iPhone 18 Pro's variable aperture and the AirPods 5.

Further reading:

 All the news from Apple’s ‘Surprise and shine’ event

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The folding iPhone Duo is finally here | The Vergecast Livestream

At this year's London Marathon, two runners completed the route in under two hours, becoming the first people to ever do so on an official course. It's a feat that Outside magazine's Alex Hutchinson once thought wouldn't be accomplished until 2075. The Verge's senior policy reporter (and marathoner) Lauren Feiner talks to Alex about "super shoes" and the other surprising technological advances that led to this moment.

Further reading:

 The Fairphone 6 Plus is the midrange phone we desperately needed

 The real reason your phone is getting more expensive

 What to expect at Apple’s September 9th launch event

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The tech that made a 2-hour marathon possible

OpenAI announced its next big model, GPT-6 Astra, and also, by the way, that AGI is here now.Today on The Vergecast, we've got an all-star panel to break down the news of the week.First, senior AI reporter Hayden Field joins us to talk about our supposed AGI era and Nvidia's acquisition of Hugging Face. Then, our friend Joanna Stern pops in to talk about new Apple CEO John Ternus, old Apple CEO Tim Cook, and to, most importantly, speculate on the format of next week's Apple keynote.We wrap things up with a super-special lightning round from the IFA electronics show in Berlin. Senior reviewer Jennifer Pattison Tuohy and editor Dominic Preston each pick out the five most interesting gadgets they saw at the show.And two more things: Vergecast producer Travis Larchuk pops in to tell his tale of identity theft woe and warn you that he isn't the one DMing you on Twitter to ask you to be on The Vergecast. Plus, Brendan Carr is a dummy.

Further reading:

 OpenAI’s next big AI model has ‘entered the AGI era’

 Researchers fear safety disaster ahead of OpenAI’s Astra release

 OpenAI delayed its new model’s development after the Hugging Face hack

 Nvidia is buying Hugging Face for almost $13 billion

 John Ternus sends first memo as Apple CEO teasing a ‘huge launch next week’

 Phil Schiller is leaving his biggest jobs at Apple

 Siri AI is already changing how I use my iPhone

 IFA 2026: the biggest tech and gadget announcements

 This might be the fanciest toothbrush launch ever.

 Anker’s new MindBase is an AI-powered brain for your smart home

 This NAS company wants to run your local smart home

 I want to wrap myself in Hue’s new Liane rope lights

 Homey just made the smart home controller I hoped Apple would

 The robot butler dream doesn’t have legs

 Here’s Xiaomi’s wide 18 Fold

 I held the first truly bezel-free phone

 Acer’s new concept hardware is a gaming handheld with a keyboard

 Lenovo’s new MacBook Neo competitor comes in two sizes and seven colors

 Packard Bell is back, and more colorful than ever.

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0:00 Welcome00:46 Fake Travis warning03:01 OpenAI's Astra model05:45 Safeguards and delays08:55 Opaque recurrence fears13:08 What Astra does well18:08 Access tiers and rollout19:53 Nvidia buys Hugging Face23:04 Is this really AGI26:28 AGI vibes and Microsoft clause32:17 Apple event preview33:41 Ternus keynote politics39:43 Keynote Vibes Shift40:23 Tim Cook Era Review44:56 Services And Fees Machine47:15 Phil Schiller Steps Back49:52 Event Predictions Fold And AI55:43 Siri AI Real Use Cases58:32 Smart Home Display Rumors59:47 Bets And Keynote Structure01:05:19 Brendan Carr Is A Dummy01:09:23 IFA Lightning Round01:10:49 Philips Hue Smart Lighting01:11:03 Hue Rope Light Rave01:11:44 Sticker Shock Pricing01:13:03 Xiaomi Wide Foldable01:15:43 Dyson Camera Toothbrush01:20:31 Tecno Bezelless Concept01:22:42 Local AI Smart Home Hub01:27:09 MacBook Neo Clones01:29:35 Homey Dial Controller01:33:39 Acer DualPlay Handheld01:36:19 Dreame Humanoid Robot01:39:44 Packard Bell Revival01:42:17 Wrap Up And Credits
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AGI is whatever you want it to be

Apple's big hardware event is coming next week. iPhones are the main draw, but senior reviewer Jennifer Pattison Tuohy has her eyes on the rumors around — what else? — smart home gadgets. Andrew O'Hara from the Smart Home Insider podcast joins Jen to fire up the Rank-o-Matic and speculate on which rumored gadgets are most likely to see the light of day.

Further reading:

 OpenAI’s next big AI model has ‘entered the AGI era’

 Nvidia is buying Hugging Face for almost $13 billion

 Microsoft slashes Xbox Cloud Gaming to just 15 hours a month for Ultimate subscribers

 Microsoft opens up Xbox Cloud Gaming with new pay-as-you-go option

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Apple Home rumors, ranked

Data centers have been a staple of Loudoun County since the early dot-com boom, but recent expansions have left some residents wondering how much more the county can take. In this episode, guest host David Imel talks to Lauren Feiner about her recent article detailing the buildout of “Data Center Alley,” what it means for residents, and what other counties reeling with similar buildouts can learn from it.

Further reading:

 Is this the future of America?

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What’s happening with US data centers?

Elizabeth Lopatto recently wrote about Mark Zuckerberg's 6,500-word AI manifesto in her piece, "Mark Zuckerberg doesn't understand how to live." Today, she joins guest host David Imel and senior wearables reviewer Victoria Song for a freewheeling discussion about what happens when we let AI make decisions for us.

Further reading:

 Mark Zuckerberg doesn't understand how to live

 Dyson made a camera-equipped toothbrush that flosses for you

 Markiplier is now GoPro’s biggest shareholder

 GoPro has been acquired and is getting into ‘defense, government, robotics and aerospace’

 John Ternus is now the CEO of Apple

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What the AI overlords get wrong about being alive

Skyrocketing RAM prices put a spotlight on product longevity and repairability, which makes this a particularly apt time for Fairphone to launch its first smartphone sold directly in the United States. Today, David Imel talks to CEO Raymond van Eck about the Fairphone 6+, the company's goals of user-repairability and ethically-sourced materials, and what place AI has in the future of Fairphone.

Further reading:

 ⁠Read Tim Cook’s final message to Apple staff as CEO⁠

 ⁠Sony Music Publishing and Warner Chappell are suing Anthropic⁠

 ⁠Google capitulates in Trump’s attempt to rename Lake Ontario.⁠

 ⁠MapQuest downloads surge after refusing to rename Lake Ontario.⁠

 ⁠MapQuest knows this whole thing is ridiculous.⁠

 ⁠Fairphone’s latest repairable phone is going on sale in the US⁠

 ⁠The new Fairphone 6 Plus gets a perfect repairability score.⁠

 ⁠The Fairphone 6 no longer feels like a compromise (except in the US)⁠

 ⁠This environmentally conscious smartphone is finally coming to the US⁠

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Can Fairphone survive the US market

This week Apple announced a Mac Mini made for AI and a Mac Studio made for AI, both with faster M6 and M5 Pro chips made for AI. But that's all an amuse-bouche to Sept. 9's (expected) main course: the long-awaited folding iPhone. Nilay Patel, Jake Kastrenakes, and David Imel run through all of this week's Apple news, including the most important story: a surprise discount on the legendary polishing cloth.Then, they react to Meta's settlement in its latest kids safety trial, geek out about Grand Theft Auto VI with the Hype Desk's Ashley Esqueda, check out the Pokémon Fitbit, and decide if Nvidia just saved the global economy.

Further reading:

 ⁠File a comment with the FCC⁠

 ⁠Apple announces September iPhone launch event⁠

 ⁠Apple’s new M6 chip gets more cores and more AI compute⁠

 ⁠Apple launches new Mac Studios with its ‘most powerful chip ever’ — the M5 Ultra⁠

 ⁠Apple’s new Mac Mini has fresh M6 and M5 Pro chip offerings — and higher prices⁠

 ⁠Apple’s ‘new’ polishing cloth is the same except $10 cheaper⁠

 ⁠Meta agrees to heavy restrictions on teen users in major lawsuit settlement⁠

 ⁠Meta is planning an ad blitz urging TikTok and YouTube to follow its lead.⁠

 ⁠All the ways Instagram and Facebook are changing for teens⁠

 ⁠Rockstar finally responds to ‘heartbreaking’ GTA 6 leaks⁠

 ⁠Fierce Network: FCC opens comments on E-Rate as the program gets attacked in court⁠

 ⁠Nvidia is about to be a hundred-billion-dollar-a-quarter company⁠

 ⁠Panic is passing Playdate tariff refunds on to customers.⁠

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0:00 Welcome to the Vergecast01:26 Apple Mac AI Hype02:26 Mac Mini Agent Craze06:32 Mac Studio vs Nvidia11:43 Price Hikes and Cloth17:01 iPhone Event Invite17:38 iPhone Fold Debate21:30 Camera Crash Out26:57 Meta Settlement Breakdown28:59 First Amendment Fallout36:59 Age Verification Push39:30 Filter Rules and Loopholes44:11 Will Teens Just Switch Apps45:20 Reels Versus Shorts46:35 Government Next Steps47:39 Break And Reset47:50 GTA VI Showcase54:29 Leaks And Spoilers57:12 Can GTA Save Games01:00:51 GTA Online Money01:02:04 Brendan Carr is a Dummy01:03:45 E Rate Fight01:08:46 Nvidia Earnings Hype01:17:50 Pokemon Sleep Fitbit01:22:41 Waymo Versus Tesla01:28:34 Decoder And Goodbye
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The iPhone Fold could make concerts even worse

In our final Vergecast Spec-tacular of the year, Dieter Bohn dives into Matter, the new tech standard that smart home gadgets will use to communicate with each other, making compatibility between gadgets significantly easier.
Guests include:

Verge smart home reviewer Jennifer Pattison Tuohy

Michelle Mindala-Freeman, Head of Marketing for the Connectivity Standards Alliance.

Tim Both, brand manager and product manager for Eve

Samantha Fein, VP of Marketing and Business Development at Samsung SmartThings

Further reading:

Matter's plan to save the smart home

What matters about Matter, the new smart home standard

Matter could bring universal casting that actual works

Smart home company Eve plans to use Matter to move beyond Apple’s HomeKit

Amazon confirms its support for Matter

Google shares its commitment to Matter, promises future interoperability between smart home platforms 

Samsung promises Matter support for SmartThings hubs, Galaxy devices, TVs, and fridges

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Can Matter save the smart home?

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