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Named the Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger, The Stacking Benjamins Show features a light and friendly tone. Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy and OG aim to make financial literacy fun for all as they sit around the card table in Joe's Mom's half-finished basement and talk with experts about personal finance, saving, investing, and important money trends. As Fast Company once wrote, the Stacking Benjamins podcast "strikes a great balance of fun and functional." So join Joe and OG every Monday, Wednesday and Friday as they read your letters, discuss major headlines, and throw in some trivia and laughs for free.

The Stacking Benjamins Show

Get ready for a rapid-fire roundtable packed with personal finance opinions that might challenge your own money playbook. In this episode, Paula Pant (Afford Anything), Jesse Cramer (Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors), and Don McDonald (Talking Real Money) join Joe and OG to declare whether they're in or out on some of the most polarizing financial strategies.

Whether you're just getting started or leveling up your financial life, this episode is full of practical wisdom, contrarian views, and a few laughs along the way. Oh—and somewhere in there, we may or may not sneak in a birthday surprise for one of our favorite Stackers. 🎂😉

 
Why some pros still say "cash only" is best for beginners—and why others strongly disagree

 
The real trade-offs of delaying homeownership in today’s market

 
What types of insurance you actually need (and which may just be money drains)

 
When hiring a CPA is a gamechanger vs. when it's overkill

 
How to evaluate target date funds: genius or lazy?

 
Whether it’s finally time to drop collision insurance on that 15-year-old car

 
How to choose between Roth and Traditional 401(k) strategies

 
The one estate planning move nearly everyone overlooks

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/jeff-lund-birthday-special-1719

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201

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Hot Financial Takes: Are You In or Out? SB1719

Think negotiation is just for boardrooms and car dealerships? Think again. In this episode, we bring in Paula Pant from Afford Anything to show how negotiating—done well—can level up your finances, your relationships, and yes, even who does the dishes.

Paula breaks down why many of us fear negotiation, how to overcome those internal roadblocks, and how setting clear “aspiration” and “reservation” points can lead to more confident conversations (and better outcomes). Whether you’re asking for a raise or trying to avoid unloading the dishwasher for the fifth night in a row, her tactics are practical and empowering.

Also in this episode:

 What most people miss about their workplace retirement plans, and whether adding a managed account is the edge you’ve been missing

 A viral TikTok proposal on setting your kids up for millions—can it really work, or is it just social media smoke?

 Doug delivers trivia and 1970s television references like only he can

 And we remember a cherished interview, David Gergen

This episode is packed with useful strategies, real talk, and a few basement detours—including mafia negotiations, Lucille Ball’s business savvy, and a heated debate over nostalgic TV shows.

Whether you’re trying to grow your wealth, negotiate more confidently, or just dodge financial TikTok traps, we’ve got something in here for you.

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/how-to-improve-your-negotiating-skills-with-paula-pant-1718

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201

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Master the Art of Negotiation with Paula Pant (SB1718)

Is your grocery bill beefier than your sandwich? This week, Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, and Neighbor Doug unpack inflation in a way that only we can—by biting into Len Penzo’s Annual Sandwich Survey. Yes, prices are up, and yes, you can still eat well without triggering a credit card crisis.

But it’s not just meat and mustard on today’s menu.

We’re also serving a fresh look at 401(k) “leakage”—that drip-drip-drip of hardship withdrawals that's turning your retirement plan into a leaky faucet. You’ll get pro-level insight on how to patch those holes before your future income soaks the floor.

And if you’re paying for (or dreading paying for) college, Christine from the Stacker community, who works in higher ed, joins to offer sharp and timely advice on keeping costs in check—from completing the FAFSA to finding overlooked aid.

 
Len Penzo’s Sandwich Index
Which sandwiches give you the most delicious bang for your inflation-adjusted buck? (Spoiler: bologna stages a quiet comeback.)

 
401(k) Trouble Brewing
Hardship withdrawals are on the rise. Why it matters, how to avoid them, and what better options exist when life throws you a cash crisis.

 
Tracking Expenses Like a Pro
Joe, OG, and Doug explore the subtle ways inflation seeps into your budget—and how paying attention to where your money leaks gives you power back.

 
Higher Ed, Lower Bills
Stacker Christine breaks down must-know tips on navigating skyrocketing tuition, including a FAFSA pep talk that could save you thousands.

 
Tuna vs. Roast Beef: The Sandwich Showdown
Plus: Is the BLT still king? Can the humble tuna salad hold its ground against the mighty Big Mac? And where does salami fit into the sandwich power rankings?

 
Trivia, Movie Talk, and Park City Tales
No Stacking Benjamins episode is complete without a detour or three—from Doug’s trivia trap to stories from the road and screen.

Takeaway for Stackers:
In high-cost times, it’s the small wins—like swapping in store brands, packing a lunch, or tracking that budget leak—that give you the edge. And while it’s tempting to ignore those tiny cracks in your retirement plan or daily spending, you’re much better off fixing them before the flood.

Want to brag about your favorite money-saving sandwich? Drop into the Basement Facebook group and share it—bonus points if it doesn’t involve bologna.

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/len-penzo-2025-annual-sandwich-survey-1717

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201

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A Sandwich Guide to Navigating Inflation (plus how to plug 401k "leakage") SB1717

You just came into $50,000—no strings attached. Do you crush your debt? Supercharge your retirement? Blow it all on a podcasting-themed backyard grotto?

In this episode of The Stacking Benjamins Show, Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, Paula Pant (Afford Anything), and Jesse Cramer (The Best Interest) gather around the card table in Mom’s basement to tackle one of the most common “someday” questions in personal finance: What do you do when a windfall lands in your lap?

Whether it's an inheritance, work bonus, or prize money (maybe you finally won that game show you keep applying to), the panel explores what smart, emotionally grounded, and goal-aligned decisions look like in the face of sudden cash.

 
Start With the Why
Before you touch a dime, the crew walks through the importance of mindset, goals, and not falling into the “I deserve it” trap that has sunk many a lucky winner.

 
Debt vs. Invest vs. Enjoy
High-interest debt? Retirement accounts? Travel dreams? The panel weighs each strategy—and surprises us with their personal priorities.

 
Behavioral Finance & Windfall Psychology
Why do people tend to mismanage unexpected money? From mental accounting to lifestyle creep, learn the hidden traps and how to sidestep them.

 
The 401(k) Match Dilemma
Is it better to max out tax-advantaged accounts or build an emergency fund? The team hashes out smart order-of-operations for stacking your windfall right.

 
Trivia Break: St. Paddy’s Parade Edition
Neighbor Doug makes sure you don’t learn too much without a little distraction. Can you guess when the first St. Patrick’s Day parade was held?

 
How They’d Spend It
Ever wonder what Joe, OG, Paula, or Jesse would do with an extra 50 grand? From practical moves to guilty pleasures, we get a peek into each of their financial brains.

 
Don’t let windfalls drift into “found money” syndrome—align with your long-term goals first.

 
Paying off high-interest debt = guaranteed return. But balance it with your future-focused investments.

 
Emotional awareness is just as crucial as spreadsheets when a windfall hits. Take a beat before making decisions.

 
Give yourself permission to enjoy some of the money—just make sure it’s intentional, not impulsive.

Got a windfall story or dream scenario? Tell us how you’d handle an extra $50K in our Basement Facebook group. Let’s see who would invest it, who would renovate the kitchen, and who would finally launch that mobile alpaca petting zoo.

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackikngbenjamins.com/how-to-treat-a-financial-inheritance-1716

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201

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What Would YOU Do With $50,000? (SB1716)

High school math left most of us staring blankly at the board, convinced compound interest was just a fancy way to say "confusing." But what if math could be fun, relevant, and—dare we say—life-changing?

In this episode of The Stacking Benjamins Show, Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, and Neighbor Doug welcome economist, education reformer, and documentary filmmaker Ted Dintersmith to the basement for a conversation that makes math feel less like a chore and more like a cheat code for life.

Dintersmith, best known for his education advocacy and the acclaimed documentary Most Likely to Succeed, joins us fresh off the release of his latest book, Aftermath—a compelling look at how we rethink learning in a world that’s evolving faster than ever. With over a decade visiting 500+ schools and a deep passion for practical math, Ted shares how skills like estimation, probability, and prediction can help you make smarter decisions—especially when it comes to your money.

 
Why Prediction Beats Perfection
Ted explains why being roughly right about your spending, investing, and life planning is more powerful than being precisely wrong.

 
Consumer Math is the Real MVP
From family budgets to grocery store run-throughs, Dintersmith makes a case for math that actually applies to your everyday decisions—and shows how parents and educators can teach it at home.

 
A Fourth-Grade Science Test Gone Wrong
An unforgettable story about how one exam nearly crushed a curious kid’s confidence… and what it says about how we measure learning.

 
The Financial Advisor Dilemma Solved
Joe Saul-Sehy and OG unpack the key differences between bank advisors and independents, including fee structures, fiduciary responsibilities, and what really matters when choosing your financial guide.

 
Lights, Camera, Reform
Dintersmith shares the powerful stories behind his documentaries—including Most Likely to Succeed and the upcoming Multiple Choice—and why his new book Aftermath is a must-read for anyone who believes education should prepare us for real life.

 
The Psychology of Math Anxiety and Money Mistakes
We explore how bad math experiences lead to financial decision paralysis, and how to rebuild confidence one calculation at a time.

 
Neighbor Doug’s Trivia Takes the Stage
Whether it connects to math or not, Neighbor Doug delivers his signature trivia moment with flair—and possibly a tangent or two.

Math shouldn’t be a barrier to better money decisions. This episode arms you with a fresh mindset for yourself, your kids, and maybe even your school board. If you’re a math teacher, financial coach, or just someone who once cried over fractions, we want to hear from you.

Join the conversation in our Facebook group, The Basement, and tell us: How are you making math practical—or how do you wish you’d learned it?

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/math-that-you-need-in-your-life-1715

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201

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How to Make Better Decisions Using Math (with Ted Dintersmith) SB1715

Big changes are coming to the tax code—and that could mean big savings if you know where to look. On today’s episode, Joe, OG, and Doug break down the most important updates in the 2025 tax laws and share smart, simple ways to keep more of your hard-earned cash.

Whether you're a spreadsheet-loving tax nerd or someone who still asks, “Wait, do I have to file?”—this episode will help you navigate the new rules like a pro.

Here’s what we unpack:

 
The 2025 Tax Overhaul: What changed, what stayed the same, and how it affects your bottom line

 
Credits vs. Deductions: Why that $1 credit might be worth more than a $5 deduction (math, but fun)

 
Above-the-Line Moves: Claim valuable deductions without itemizing

 
New Wins for Givers and Drivers: Above-the-line charitable contributions AND (drumroll…) personal auto loan interest is back!

 
Family Tax Breaks: Expanded dependent care accounts and beefed-up child credits

 
50 and Thriving: New 401(k) catch-up rules that can help you max out your retirement

 
Listener Mailbag: JJ asks how to contribute more to his 401(k) after age 50—and we bring the strategies

 
The TikTok Minute: Because money wisdom can live on the internet too

 
Doug’s Trivia & Financial Shenanigans™: Of course

You’ll walk away with clear, practical takeaways that could add thousands to your bottom line—without needing to read the tax code (you're welcome).

 
FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/upcoming-tax-changes-1714

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201

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How to Turn 2025's New Tax Rules Into Big Savings (SB1714)

What if the scariest part of retirement isn’t running out of money—but losing your sense of identity? This week on The Stacking Benjamins Show, we tackle the fears that hold so many people back from financial independence and a joyful, purpose-filled retirement.

Joe Saul-Sehy and Doug are joined by an all-star panel of financial thinkers:

 
Mark Trautman (Mark’s Money Mind)

 
Paula Pant (Afford Anything)

 
Jesse Cramer (Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors)

Together, they unpack the emotional, practical, and strategic side of planning your next chapter—whether you're closing in on retirement or still working toward it.

 
The biggest fears about retirement: from running out of money to running out of meaning.

 
The “one more year” syndrome: why it's so tempting to delay and how to break through.

 
Time freedom vs. financial freedom: how to align your life goals with your money strategy.

 
Tactics to conquer fear: income layering, diversified portfolios, annuities, and rental properties.

 
Psychology matters: why no spreadsheet ever solved a midlife identity crisis.

 
Real stories from the panel: wins, struggles, and lessons from guiding others through retirement transitions.

 
Planning for healthcare and long-term care: because your body didn’t get the early retirement memo.

 
Plus, the usual basement mayhem: trivia, playful host banter, and a few unexpected laughs (we won’t call them “funny”—you know the rule).

 
Mark’s Money Mind podcast

 
Afford Anything podcast

 
Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors

 
AARP: Retirement Readiness & Addressing Fear

 
Blog post: “Fear Will Hold You Prisoner. A Diversified Portfolio Will Set You Free.”

 
Retire to something, not just from something. Purpose beats spreadsheets.

 
Understand your income plan. Know where the money will come from, rain or shine.

 
Plan for healthcare now, not later. Medicare, long-term care, and medical surprises deserve your attention.

 
Don’t go it alone. The best plans are ones you understand, but it helps to get advice from trusted sources.

Whether you’re on the cusp of calling it quits or still deep in the grind, this episode will help you prepare—not just financially, but mentally and emotionally—for a retirement you’ll love.

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/what-is-holding-you-back-from-reaching-your-goals-1713

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201

🎧 Dive deeper, grab resources, and check out past episodes at StackingBenjamins.com

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Climbing the Wealth Ladder: Conquering Retirement Fears (with Mark Trautman) SB1713

What do your financial priorities look like when you're just getting started... or when you're sitting on $100 million? If you’re still stuck trying to figure out how to max out your Roth IRA and also afford dinner, this episode’s going to walk you through what might be coming next—without promising you a yacht by Tuesday.

This week on The Stacking Benjamins Show, Joe Saul-Sehy, O.G., and Doc G (Jordan Grumet) are joined by Nick Maggiulli, Chief Operating Officer at Ritholtz Wealth Management and author of Of Dollars and Data, to talk about lessons from his new book: The Wealth Ladder. Nick breaks down the six wealth levels, from scraping together your first emergency fund to navigating the complexities of generational wealth.

They explore:

 
Why increasing your income early on trumps frugality (sorry, coupon clippers).

 
What “wealth plateaus” really look like, and how to recognize when your strategy needs to evolve.

 
The hidden trap of goal obsession, featuring a cameo from world #1 golfer Scottie Scheffler.

 
The true cost of career choices, and why opportunity cost might be the silent killer of long-term growth.

 
Why content and code are two of the most powerful wealth-building levers available (especially when they scale without needing a lunch break).

Whether you're stuck in Level 1 or fantasizing about Level 6, this episode has practical, perspective-shifting advice on building wealth—and more importantly, how to enjoy the process without losing your sense of purpose along the way.

Stackers don’t just want to make money—they want to master it without letting it become their master. This conversation bridges income, investing, identity, and intention in a way that gives you both clarity and confidence.

You might even stop worrying about skipping that $5 latte… or realize it’s time to start coding that app you keep talking about at parties.

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/invest-differently-and-move-faster-1712

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201

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Understanding Your Financial Roadmap (with Nick Maggiulli) SB1712

What’s the right financial move for you… right now? If you've ever found yourself reading advice meant for a millionaire when you're still trying to crack five figures—or following budgeting tips when your net worth is seven digits—this episode is your custom-tailored financial GPS.

In this installment of The Stacking Benjamins Show, Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, and Doug take you rung-by-rung through the wealth ladder—from humble beginnings at $10K all the way to $10 million—and explain how your financial priorities, risks, and strategies evolve as your net worth grows.

 
How to avoid mismatched advice: Why taking financial tips meant for someone in a different stage can set you back instead of move you forward.

 
Net worth brackets and behavior shifts: What you should be thinking about at $10K, $100K, $1 million, and beyond—and what not to worry about yet.

 
When Roth IRA conversions make sense—and when they really don’t: With new legislation impacting retirement tax planning, Joe and OG break down the implications with help from Robert Powell of The Street.

 
Diversification, risk, and behavioral pitfalls: What the pros get wrong and how to stay grounded no matter how big your stack grows.

 
Community-driven insights: From listener milestones to new Stacking Benjamins swag sightings, you’ll hear how Stackers are winning in their own lives.

As always, the team weaves in laughter, sarcasm, and that unmistakable basement charm—complete with Doug’s new mug, a calendar confusion history lesson, and a household disaster caused by what can only be described as “revenge rain.”

 A Robin Williams–themed trivia segment to warm your heart (and test your memory)

 Batty Betty’s wild TikTok take on relationship finance

 Practical investing and estate planning ideas that don’t make your eyes glaze over

Why You’ll Love This Episode:If you’re trying to level up without falling prey to the one-size-fits-all advice machine, this episode delivers a realistic blueprint. It’s equal parts roadmap and reminder: where you are right now matters more than where someone else thinks you should be.

Stacker takeaway? Clarity beats comparison. Especially when it comes to money.

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/build-your-wealth-ladder-1711

Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201

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How to Climb the Wealth Ladder (SB1711)

Ever feel like you're working hard but getting nowhere? You're not alone—and you might be stuck in a productivity trap, not a purpose-driven plan. In this episode of The Stacking Benjamins Show, we tackle the big one: how to avoid wasting your life. (No pressure.)

Joe Saul-Sehy kicks things off with a tongue-in-cheek nod to all the ways we fritter away time—before pivoting into a power-packed conversation on building meaningful goals and avoiding common life derailers.

He’s joined by two all-star minds in money and behavior:

 
Paula Pant from Afford Anything, who reminds us that "you can afford anything—but not everything," and

 
Jordan Grumet from Earn & Invest, who offers the life-and-death perspective (literally—he’s a hospice doctor) on why we need to act now, not later.

Together with OG and Doug, the roundtable unpacks six common ways people unknowingly waste their lives, including:

 
Being "busy" instead of effective

 
Letting fear of failure hijack your plans

 
Overthinking every move

 
Paralysis from too many choices

 
Constant hustle with no progress

 
Indecision dressed up as careful planning

You’ll hear hard-earned lessons, subtle mindset shifts, and tips for creating financial and personal momentum. Plus:

 
The surprising link between indecision and regret, backed by Dr. Ellen Langer’s research

 
Smart strategies for eliminating distractions and taking better action

 
The difference between motion and movement—especially when it comes to your goals and your money

And, of course, we sprinkle in some classic basement banter, a rowdy trivia throwdown, and Joe’s favorite kind of weekend preview (the kind where no one actually follows their own advice).

Why this episode is worth your time:
Whether you’re staring down your 2025 goals or still recovering from a rough Q1, this is your shot of clarity. No judgment—just real talk from people who’ve been there, made the spreadsheet, and occasionally lit it on fire.

🎯 You’ll walk away with:

 
A clearer idea of what’s holding you back

 
Practical ways to structure smarter financial goals

 
Permission to stop doing all the things and start doing the right things

FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/how-to-waste-your-time-on-stupid-stuff-1710/

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How To Waste Your Life (or hopefully, not) SB1710

Remember PEMDAS from math class? Yeah, neither do we, it's the order of operations for solving math problems. It has something to do with parentheses and subtraction. Today, we are solving a different math problem: your financial plan. Joe and OG share the order of operations for your own financial plan. Not sure where to start? We've got you covered. In the middle of your plan and stuck on where to go next? Great! We have the next steps for you.
In our headline, we talk about ETFs and their exploding popularity. How do they differ from mutual funds and which is a better option? We dive in. Then we help answer Julia's question about co-signing a loan for a family member.
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