Episode 16 - Björn Ulvaeus and Martin Österdahl

On this special episode, we're inviting you to listen in to a conversation between Björn Ulvaeus from ABBA and Martin Österdahl, the Executive Supervisor of the Eurovision Song Contest. It's nearly 50 years since ABBA won with Waterloo, so how does Björn think the contest has changed, and what does he think of it now? The pair discuss the values of Eurovision and its importance for democracy in Europe. They also chat about success stories like Måneskin and Rosa Linn, and Björn reflects on his own memories of Eurovision. The Eurovision Song Contest Podcast is hosted by Steve Holden and is brought to you by the EBU. We're @Eurovision on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter, and get all your latest news at Eurovision.tv and the Eurovision Song Contest's Official YouTube channel.

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