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The Ringer

Chris Vernon and David Jacoby discuss all the news, trends, and transactions happening in the NBA. They also offer their on-court analysis, and occasionally get into heated debates.

The Mismatch

After dissecting the entire 2025-26 NBA schedule, Verno and Jacoby share 10 observations they have about the national TV breakdown, Michael Jordan's role on NBC, Rivals Week, late games on the East Coast, and more.

(00:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(01:05) Observation no. 1: National TV partners and broadcast teams(10:38) Observation no. 2: How will NBC use Michael Jordan?(14:58) Observation no. 3: Teams and players the NBA is getting behind (and the ones they aren’t)(24:57) Observation no. 4: Last-day-of-the-season matchups(26:22) Observation no. 5: NBA Rivals Week(34:04) Observation no. 6: Late-season MVP matchups(37:41) Observation no. 7: Players returning to face their old teams(47:01) Observation no. 8: 11 p.m. East Coast games(48:40) Observation no. 9: Rookie watching(52:41) Observation no. 10: The dissemination of the Eastern Conference and strengthening of the Western Conference

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Hosts: Chris Vernon and David JacobyProducers: Jessie Lopez and Tucker TashjianSocial: Keith Fujimoto
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10 Observations About the 2025-26 NBA Schedule

As we enter the dog days of summer, Verno and Jacoby bring 10 questions each about the upcoming NBA season. They go through everything from the recent string of contract extensions, Daryl Morey’s asterisk comments, LeBron James, Klay Thompson’s relationship with Megan Thee Stallion, Target Guy, and so much more.

(00:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!

(01:18) Q1: Rank the recent extensions: Bridges, Luka, and Fox

(09:20) Q2: Which team do you think you will like more than others?

(12:30) Q3: Who will be the 3-seed in the East?

(17:40) Q4: Which rookie (not Flagg) do you want to watch the most?

(19:18) Q5: Craziest prediction that probably won't happen

(22:49) Q6: Daryl Morey is ____ for saying the people put an asterisk on the bubble title

(26:54) Q7: Which is more likely for OKC: 55 or 65 wins?

(29:00) Q8: Do you think ESPN pays attention to other broadcasts?

(34:43) Q9: How will LeBron's season play out?

(40:38) Q10: Could Jacoby's twins work the same job like the Thompson twins?

(46:41) Q11: Will Joel Embiid ever be Joel Embiid again?

(47:01) Q12: Which team in the West do you think will not be as good as people think?

(49:18) Q13: Will Klay and Megan Thee Stallion last until the end of the season?

(53:09) Q14: Which player do you want to see in person that you have not?

(54:39) Q15: Will the Blazers make the play-in?

(01:00:49) Q16: Who would you take the gamble on: Zion Williamson or LaMelo Ball?

(01:02:44) Q17: Which NBA players were the most relevant at the National Sports Collectors Convention?

(01:12:36) Q18: Who is the biggest football player in New York?

(01:14:16) Q19: Will "Target Guy" have a podcast by the end of the season

(01:15:18) Q20: Which player looks most wrong in their new uniform

(01:16:36) Issues with Verno's stay in New York

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20 Questions About the Upcoming NBA Season

Verno and Jacoby discuss the new-look Luka Doncic that is featured in the latest edition of Men’s Health magazine. They debate what kind of impact a healthier Luka will make on the Lakers, the topics were not discussed in the article, as well as his surprise appearance at a Yankees game. Next, they take a deep dive on Nikola Jokic’s agent's cryptic photo with LeBron James and Maverick Carter, Verno explains why he expects a big bounce-back season from Ja Morant, and they debate where the remaining restricted free agents could possibly land. After, they discuss Billy Donovan’s contract extension with the Bulls, the anonymous Nets executive who says Michael Porter Jr. could lead the league in scoring next season, and Verno shares his experience staying at Jacoby’s apartment when he visited New York.

(0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(2:15) Luka Dončić 2.0 Has Entered the Chat(17:40) Reaction to Jokic's Winning Horse(18:35) Breaking: Jokic's Brother is the GM of KK Joker(23:40) Reaction to Jokic's Winning Horse(25:40) LeBron and Maverick Carter's Yacht Meeting(33:15) Ja Morant's Nike World Tour(41:20) Restricted Free Agents Still Unsigned(50:05) Billy Donovan's Extension(54:00) MPJ "Might lead league in scoring" - Nets Executive(56:15) LaMelo Hot Cheeto Feet(58:50) Tyrese Haliburton's Proposal at Iowa St.(1:01:30) Verno's NYC Trip(1:24:05) Thanks for Watching!

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NBA Summer Storylines: A Motivated Luka, Ja’s Joy, and Is LeBron Really Planning for 2026?

Verno and Jacoby congratulate the Charlotte Hornets on winning this year’s Summer League and briefly discuss why Nikola Jokic’s brother was still in Las Vegas watching a random game between the Grizzlies and Clippers. Next, the guys each share two teams that they want to see more of and less of after watching all of Summer League. Lastly, they discuss Chris Paul’s possible last run in a return to the Clippers, Marcus Smart signing with the Lakers, and Damian Lillard’s homecoming.

(0:00) Welcome To The Mismatch!(0:20) Kon Knueppel Leads Hornets Winning Summer League(2:15) Was Jokic's Brother Looking for Verno?(8:22) Teams We Want To See MORE(9:45) Verno: Utah Jazz(14:25) Jacoby: Atlanta Hawks(18:05) Verno: Charlotte Hornets(28:05) Jacoby: Dallas Mavericks(36:55) Teams We Want To See LESS(37:10) Verno: Miami Heat(41:55) Jacoby: Sacramento Kings(44:05) Verno: New Orleans Pelicans(48:35) Jacoby: Toronto Raptors(51:15) Chris Paul Returns To The Clippers!(57:00) Marcus Smart Signs with The Lakers(58:30) Dame Returns to Portland(1:03:20) Verno's Going to NYC

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Post-Summer League Watch List: Teams That Deserve Our Attention (and Those That Don’t)

Verno and Jacoby recap this weekend’s action and buzz around Summer League. Verno shares the slights and sounds of being in Las Vegas for the event, from the vibes around Thomas & Mack Center, to watching Kelly Clarkson, and finding the elusive “Target guy” who predicted Cedric Coward will become the best player in this draft class. Next, the guys each share three players who impressed them over the weekend at Summer League. Then, the guys briefly discuss some of the news around the league including what the Lakers will do with LeBron James, Paul George’s latest surgery, Wemby's return, and more. 

(0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:25) Verno's Summer League Takeaways(5:05) Verno Met Jokic's Brother(10:05) Verno's Summer League Takeaways(18:15) Target Guy Met Verno In Vegas (Cedric Coward Prophet)(30:28) Verno's Summer League Takeaways(35:40) Favorite Summer League Player: Joan Beringer(42:00) Favorite Summer League Player: Tre Johnson(47:08) Favorite Summer League Player: Kyle Filipowski(52:00) Favorite Summer League Player: Drew Timme(54:40) Favorite Summer League Player: Ron Holland(57:50) Favorite Summer League Player: Yang Hansen(1:02:30) Reaction to The LeBron Drama(1:04:20) Joel Embiid + Paul George Health Updates(1:06:35) Wemby's Back to Training(1:09:10) MPJ: "Well, I'm Traded."(1;11:00) Love Island Finale Reaction

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Impressive Summer League Performances and the Legend of ‘Target Guy’

Verno and Jacoby recap the latest string of free agency news, including Paolo Banchero’s contract extension, where Jonas Valanciunas will play, and more. Next, they discuss which offseason moves they think will turn out disastrous and which moves are perfect fits.

(0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:50) Summer League Takeaways(4:20) Reaction to the Norm Powell-John Collins Trade(8:55) Expect Jonas Valančiūnas to Play for the Nuggets?(13:53) Paolo Banchero Signs Extension with Magic(17:08) Grizzlies Trade Away Jay Huff, Sign Jock Landale(23:50) Why is Malik Beasley Still Unsigned?(28:15) More Free Agency & Trade Reactions(31:17) Disaster Fit: Pelicans Draft Derik Queen(34:17) Disaster Fit: Deandre Ayton Signs with The Lakers(39:15) Disaster Fit: Jrue Holiday with the Blazers(44:03) Disaster Fit: Bucks Waive Dame to Sign Myles Turner(46:35) Disaster Fit: Spurs Sign Luke Kornet(50:48) Disaster Fit: The Brooklyn Nets(53:12) Perfect Fit: DFS on the Rockets(55:35) Perfect Fit: The Atlanta Hawks(57:48) Perfect Fit: Former Grizzlies on the Magic(59:48) Perfect Fit: Mike Brown Coaching the Knicks(1:02:30) Perfect Fit: Kyle Lowry Signs with the 76ers(1:05:40) What's Next for Chris Paul?(1:07:15) Perfect Fit: Nuggets Offseason

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The Most Disastrous and Perfect Fits of the Offseason

Free agency is here! Join Verno and Jacoby as they recap the day-one deals and discuss everything from the Rockets refueling for a championship run with Kevin Durant to their hopes for a competitive Hornets team. They also discuss the Hawks' impressive first day, the Nuggets trading away MPJ and signing Bruce Brown Jr., and the Grizzlies' aggressiveness to start free agency. They also debate whether the Lakers would actually trade LeBron James.(0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:22) NBA Free Agency Reactions(0:43) Rockets Extensions + Sign DFS and Capela(11:18) Nuggets Trade MPJ for Cam Johnson + Sign Bruce Brown(13:45) Hawks Acquire Porzingis, Nickeil Alexander-Walker + Kennard(16:40) BREAKING: Hornets Sign Mason Plumlee(20:38) BREAKING: Bucks Sign Taurean Prince(21:45) Grizzlies: JJJ & Santi Aldama Extension + Sign Ty Jerome(28:42) Lakers: Sign Jake LaRavia + LeBron Rumors(37:43) Blazers Buyout Deandre Ayton(38:20) More Free Agency Reactions(43:48) BREAKING: Jordan Clarkson to Sign with the Knicks(45:32) More Free Agency Reactions(58:05) Biggest Takeaways from Free AgencyLeave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091Visit creditkarma.com or download the app today.The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available.Hosts: Chris Vernon and David JacobyProducers: Jessie Lopez and Tucker TashjianSocial: Keith Fujimoto
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Free Agency Day One: Winners, Bold Moves, and Are the Lakers Going to Trade LeBron?

Verno and Jacoby recap the NBA draft by discussing their biggest winners and losers from the two-day event, as well as Verno’s excitement for the Grizzlies, who drafted Cedric Coward from Washington State; the odd timing of Masai Ujiri’s departure from the Raptors; and their favorite prospect from the second round.

(0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:28) NBA Draft Recap(2:25) Pick of Destiny: Cedric Coward to the Grizzlies(6:45) Our Draft Winners & Losers(10:45) Masai Ujiri Out As President of Raptors(14:30) Verno's Draft Winner: WINGSPAN(18:40) Jacoby's Draft Winner: Brooklyn Nets(22:08) Verno's Draft Winner: Atlanta Hawks(24:55) Jacoby's Draft Winner: American White Guys(26:20) Verno's Draft Winner: Spike Lee(30:20) Jacoby's Draft Winner: Moms(31:15) Verno's Draft Loser: Ace Bailey(37:05) Jacoby's Draft Loser: Joe Dumars(39:33) Verno's Draft Loser: Milwaukee Bucks(42:35) Jacoby's Draft Loser: Portland Trail Blazers(47:33) Verno's Draft Loser: Girlfriends(51:17) Jacoby's Draft Loser: ME(56:17) Jacoby's Draft Loser: Clarity(59:27) Favorite 2nd Rounder: Alijah Martin (Raptors)(1:01:20) Favorite 2nd Rounder: Johni Broome (76ers)

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Draft Night Winners and Losers. Plus: The Grizzlies Get Their Guy, and Masai Ujiri Out in Toronto.

Verno and Jacoby congratulate the Oklahoma City Thunder on winning Game 7 and defeating the Indiana Pacers, as the guys discuss the sour experience of watching the game after Tyrese Haliburton went down with his injury, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s Game 7 performance, lessons learned from these Finals, and what to expect for OKC’s future. They also give kudos to the Pacers for their resilience throughout the playoffs, Rick Carlisle’s influence, expectations for the Pacers next season without Haliburton, and how his injury affects the rest of the Eastern Conference. Next, the guys debate whether Kevin Durant can be the difference maker that Houston is looking for, and if the Suns will trade Jalen Green.

(0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:18) The Thunder Are The 2025 Champs!(0:54) The 2025 Thunder Become 2nd Youngest Champions Ever(4:50) Reaction to Tyrese Haliburton's Injury(13:19) SGA's Game 7 Performance(18:34) Is This The Start of The Thunder Dynasty?(31:00) Rick Carlisle's Masterclass in Playoff Coaching(35:15) Who Are The Eastern Conference Contenders?(42:20) Reaction to the Thunder's "Celebration"(49:45) Rockets Trade for Kevin Durant(1:09:10) Jacoby's Trip to The Original Nathan's Hot Dogs(1:10;55) Mavs Sign Daniel Gafford to Extension(1:11:55) NBA Draft Preview

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Young Thunder Defy History, Haliburton’s Injury, Finals Fallout, and Can KD Lead the Rockets to the Finals?

The Pacers take Game 6 and force a Game 7 back in OKC, so Verno and Jacoby discuss the Pacers' dominant performance and their expectations for the first Game 7 in the Finals since 2016. They discuss the performances by T.J. McConnell, Obi Toppin, and Tyrese Haliburton; the difference a small-market home crowd makes; which Thunder players they trust to perform; and their overall excitement for a decisive Game 7. Next, the guys discuss the impact of the Lakers being sold, the expected extension of Ime Udoka (and the unexpected extension of Billy Donovan), what’s going on with prospect Ace Bailey, and more on next week’s draft.

(0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:54) Pacers Force Game 7: 108-91(28:34) Game 7: Pacers vs. Thunder [-8.5](51:31) Lakers Sell For $10 Billion(54:27) Expect NBA Expansion Teams This Summer?(57:26) Ime Udoka and Billy Donovan Sign Contract Extensions(59:25) NBA Draft Preview(1:11:54) Game 7 Picks

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Pacers Force Game 7, Lakers Sell for $10B, and an NBA Draft Sneak Peek

Verno and KOC are live from T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas as they react to the semifinal round of the in-season tournament! They first discuss the Pacers’ resiliency and Tyrese Haliburton’s continuing rise as a star as the team eliminates the Bucks (01:19). After a disappointing end to the Bucks' tournament run, the guys discuss what has been going wrong for them and what needs to change for the Bucks to reach the Finals. Next, the guys discuss the Lakers' complete and utter dominance over the Pelicans (21:28).

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Tournament Instant Reaction: Haliburton's Rising Star Power and Lakers Dominance

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