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The Ringer

Chris Vernon and David Jacoby discuss all the news, trends, and transactions happening in the NBA. They also offer their on-court analysis, and occasionally get into heated debates.

The Mismatch

Verno and Jacoby are back to break down how a remarkably poised Spurs squad knocked off Oklahoma City in seven—then turn their full attention to the Finals. They dig into the tactical chess match of stopping Victor Wembanyama, why Josh Hart is the Knicks' X-factor, and whether Mitchell Robinson can be effective with a busted finger. Plus, the regular-season history between these two teams, MVP odds, and why New York City is already losing its mind before tip-off.

(00:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!

(2:14) Dissecting the WCF–What impressed you most about the Spurs-Thunder series?

(4:24) Is the discourse toward Chet warranted?

(17:24) Western Conference team building: How will teams deal with the Spurs and Wemby?

(20:46) Confidence is contagious for the Spurs: Rookie Dylan Harper plays like a veteran

(27:35) Knicks are underdogs even though they breezed through the ECF

(30:33) What we learned from the Spurs-Knicks regular-season matchups

(34:10) Keys to win for the Knicks: Josh Hart

(45:12) Wemby and Brunson are the betting favorites for Finals MVP

(47:48) What really happened to Mitchell Robinson and his broken pinkie?

(53:53) Changing of the guard in the NBA: Spurs' youth over Knicks veterans

(1:00:23) The Knicks are giving Gotham something to cheer about

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Spurs vs. Knicks. Youth vs. Experience. The NBA Finals Are Here!

Verno and Jacoby return to react to the Spurs' Game 6 win over the Thunder and give their keys to Game 7. Then, they discuss the news of Mitchell Robinson breaking his pinkie finger and the new draft lottery rules.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(00:00) Thunder-Spurs: WCF headed to Game 7, Spurs defeat Thunder 118-91

(5:32) Rim protection: Spurs held Thunder to 91 points (lowest playoff output)

(11:58) Flip-flopped series: Spurs turn the tables on Thunder

(18:08) Spurs-Thunder: Both teams have shown non-competitive moments

(23:00) Distractions behind the benches: Nuns and boobs

(29:13) Small-market fans are not ready for a "New York State of Mind"

(34:37) Knicks' championship path: Need Spurs to take down Thunder

(43:42) Spurs-Thunder Game 7 preview: Low-scoring war determines the winner

(48:57) Instant reaction: President Trump heading to the Finals

(50:54) NBA approves radical 3-2-1 anti-tanking reform for draft lottery

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Spurs Force Game 7, and the Draft Lottery Conundrum

Verno and Jacoby return to react to the Knicks returning to the NBA Finals after sweeping the Cavs in the Eastern conference finals and preview Game 5 of Spurs-Thunder. Then they are joined by Yahoo Sports’ Kevin O’Connor to discuss the issues with the Cavs’ roster, the Knicks’ chances in the NBA championship, and the new NBA lottery rules.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(00:00) Knicks destroy Cavs 130-93, punch ticket to NBA Finals

(2:22) Knicks run out opponents with 11 straight playoff wins

(12:29) Gotham stands tall: first NBA Finals since 1999

(19:10) Cleveland lame: Knicks’ average margin of victory +18.5 ppg

(26:48) Cavs future retool: Mitchell + Mobley close to contending

(30:38) Thunder-Spurs preview: OKC’s lack of offense, series tied 2-2

(38:59) Kevin O’Connor from Yahoo Sports joins the show

(42:51) Cavs autopsy report: KOC breaks down the future of the Cavs

(49:45) Knicks favorites to win it all?

(53:19) KOC headline: Wemby turns SGA into DeMar DeRozan

(01:01:30) KOC the FIXER: how the NBA is f**king over the Grizzlies

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Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Guest: Kevin O’Connor

Producers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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The Knicks Return to the NBA Finals, and How to Blow Up the Cavs With KOC

Verno and Jacoby return to react to the Knicks' Game 2 win over the Cavs and recap Spurs-Thunder Game 2. Then, they preview the remainder of each series, dissect the Giannis trade rumors, and look at the NBA All-Rookie teams.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(00:00) Knicks-Cavs: NY takes Game 2 with 109-93 victory, Josh Hart 26 pts

(09:31) Wave of Knicks fandom throughout the five boroughs

(11:53) Ice-cold Cavs: Shooting woes continue, 35 percent FG in Game 2

(17:13) Knicks-Cavs: Worst of the conference finals, series ends in five

(24:10) Thunder-Spurs recap: Physical WCF battle, turnovers kill Spurs

(29:15) SGA 30 pts, 12-24 FG, OKC 34 Assists (second-highest in the playoffs)

(34:15) Wemby 21 pts, 10 pts in the paint (down sharply from 26 pts in Game 1)

(43:47) Thunder vs. the World: Can the Spurs rebound in Game 3?

(49:16) NBA All-Rookie First Team: Flagg, Knueppel, Edgecombe, Harper, and Coward

(52:06) All-Rookie Second Team: Bailey, Fears, Murray-Boyles, Raynaud, and Queen

(55:09) Giannis trade watch: Bucks open to offers

(57:56) Jeff Van Gundy as the Blazers' next head coach?

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Knicks Take a 2-0 Lead, Spurs-Thunder Head to San Antonio Tied at 1

Verno and Jacoby return to react to the classic Game 1 of the Western Conference finals and give their thoughts on Game 2. They also preview the Eastern Conference finals featuring the Knicks and Cavaliers.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(00:00) Spurs-Thunder: “Harwood Classic,” Spurs win Game 1, 122-115 (2OT)

(6:40) Alex Caruso has the game of his life: 31 pts to keep Thunder in the game

(10:15) Wemby with an MVP performance: 41 pts, 24 reb with a logo 3-pointer

(17:15) Thunder need some soul searching after Game 1. SGA 24 pts, Chet 8 pts

(24:28) Small market atmosphere in Oklahoma City and San Antonio

(26:06) Refs make the right calls and keep the game moving

(33:34) Looking ahead to the rest of the series: Smoking on that OKC - Thunder in 6

(41:02) Insane stats from Game 1: Rookie Dylan Harper has a historic night

(50:56) Knicks-Cavs Preview: New York is a different team from the start of the season

(56:51) Cavs' inconsistent play in the playoffs; Knicks are the clear favorite

(1:02:23) Shams breaking the MVP news before Amazon

(1:03:59) Story time with Verno and Jacoby

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Wemby Shines in Game 1, and a Knicks-Cavs Preview

Welcome to The Mismatch! Verno and Jacoby return to react to the Spurs and Cavs taking a 3-2 lead in their respective series and give their thoughts on the pivotal Game 6s on Friday. Plus, they give their Loves and Loathes for the past week and remember Brandon Clarke.

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(2:02) Cavs-Pistons Game 6 preview: Cleveland leads series 3-2

(9:48) Spurs-Wolves Game 6 preview: San Antonio leads series 3-2

(16:30) Jacoby Loves: Tony Brothers (the no-call and the Finch fight)

(20:11) Verno Loves: Ajay Mitchell scoring 22.5 PPG and a playoff career high of 28 points

(28:24) Jacoby Loathes: Wemby dominating the MVP race (forever)

(31:34) Verno Loathes: The James Harden experience

(35:54) Jacoby Loves: KAT "unlocking" his role after half a year

(40:48) Verno Loves: Sixth man "swingers" dominating the playoffs

(44:30) Jacoby Loathes: The "bump-and-jump" shoulder bump

(47:19) Verno Loathes: Philly’s phony explanations

(55:07) Jacoby Loves: Spurs rookie sensation Dylan Harper

(56:39) Verno Loves: Popovich “speaking life into you” (a must-read article)

(1:00:57) Jacoby Loathes: All the endless LeBron narratives

(1:06:15) Verno Loathes: The Bucks' dysfunction and Doc’s laissez-faire approach

(1:12:13) Jacoby Loves: Barkley’s "That’s a pretty man" crush on Max Strus

(1:14:05) Verno Loves: The NBA combine measurements and wingspans

(1:21:09) Jacoby Loathes: The “Nothing Is Everything” Skyrizi commercial

(1:22:41) Verno Loathes: The passing of Brandon Clarke (1996-2026)

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Who Will Meet the Knicks and Thunder? Plus, Loves and Loathes.

Verno and Jacoby return to react to Monday’s playoff matchups. The Thunder remain undefeated as they sweep the Lakers, and the Cavs tie the series at 2 with the Pistons. They also preview Game 5 between the Spurs and the T’Wolves and examine the Knicks' run and the NBA Draft Lottery.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(2:05) Thunder-Lakers: Lakers fought hard in a 115-110 loss

(7:41) Thunder Dominate playoffs, Sweep Suns and Lakers

(10:11) Lebron Swept: Time to take a pay cut or retire?

(16:20) Pistons-Cavs: Mitchell drops 43 pts in 112-103 Win, series tied 2-2

(25:44) Knicks Sweep Sixers 4-0: 497points, averaging 124+ PPG

(30:31) Plenty of rest for Anunoby and crew before Eastern Conference Finals

(37:35) Wemby was tossed for Flagrant 2 in the 2nd quarter, time served by the NBA.

(44:00) Wolves need ‘Super’ Ant: Edwards needs to go off to Advance.

(46:00) Dylan Harper: Rookies having moments in the Playoffs

(54:21) NBA Draft Lottery: Verno Jumps off the Couch, Grizzlies land no. 3 pick

(58:17) 2026 NBA Draft Top Four: 1. Dybansta, 2. Peterson, 3. Boozer, 4. Wilson

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Thunder Sweep Lakers, Cavs Tie it at 2 and Pivotal Game 5 for Spurs-T’Wolves

Verno and Jacoby return to react to Thursday’s playoff matchups. The Pistons stay hot, James Harden's issues continue, and the Thunder take a 2-0 series lead over the Lakers. Then, they preview Game 3 of the Knicks-76ers and Wolves-Spurs series.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(00:36) James Harden has issues: 10 pts, 3-13 FG, 4 TO

(2:52) Cavs-Pistons: Detroit up 2-0 with 107-97 victory

(6:26) Cade Cunningham: 25 pts, 15th game of 20+ pts in playoffs

(8:48) Evan Mobley: Limited impact with 9 pts

(13:52 ) Tobias Harris: 21 pts, 7 reb, 7th game of 20+ pts in playoffs

(17:27) Lakers-Thunder: Lakers competitive early in 125-107 loss to OKC

(24:47) Lakers-Thunder: Officiating crew ruined flow of the game

(28:16) Knicks injury concerns: OG Anunoby day-to-day with hamstring strain

(35:23) Knicks' fourth-quarter lockdown: Held Sixers to 12 pts on 4-19 shooting

(40:59) Wolves - Spurs: Seven Spurs scored in double figures in blowout win

(45:28) R-A-I-D! Ant-Man 12 pts, 5-13 FG, 1-5 from the arc

(50:36) Draymond Green: An intense exchange in Charles's house

(54:57) Jaylen Brown the streamer: Who was worse, Draymond or Jaylen?

(57:58) Sunday’s draft lottery: Grizzlies have 37.2 percent chance of a top-four pick

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Producers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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Thunder Continue to Roll, Five Straight for Detroit, and OG Injury Concern

Verno and Jacoby return to react to Monday’s playoff matchups. Minnesota takes the first game in San Antonio, and the Knicks continue to click on all cylinders. Then they preview the Lakers-Thunder and Cavs-Pistons series.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(0:23) Wolves-Spurs: Wolves Steal game 1, Champagnie misses last-second shot

(1:37) Timberwolves with early series road victory 104-102

(3:42) Randle Double-Double: 21 pts, 10 Reb, Clutch buckets in the 4th

(11:06) Anthony Edwards Return: 18pts (8/13 FG) 4th Quarter Heroics

(13:57) Wemby 12-Block Night: Playoff Record not enough in defeat

(20:47) Wolves Shut Down Spurs Stars: Contain Wemby in Game 1

(23:43) 76ers-Knicks: New York takes game 1 with a 137-98 victory

(26:03) Brunson Dominates: 35pts, 27 in first half

(27:06) Knicks put on Clinic: 63% Fg, 51% from the Arch

(30:13) Knicks Capitalize on Sixers' 19 turnovers

(32:59) Sixers Stars Flat Effort: Maxey 13pts, George 17pts

(33:48) Cavs-Pistons: JB Bickerstaff Revenge Series

(43:42) Jaylen Brown Meltdown on Twitch

(48:03) Embiid Struggles: 14pts on 3 for 11 Shooting

(54:29) Lakers-OKC: Thunder outscored LA by 117pts in regular season sweep

(1:03:23) 2019 Draft Loyalty

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T’Wolves Steal Game, The Knicks Blowout Tour Continues, and Can The Lakers Make Another Push?

Immediately after the Wolves put away the Nuggets, Verno and Jacoby fire up the mics to recap Thursday night’s action from the NBA playoffs.

(0:17) Welcome to The Mismatch!

(1:42) The Wolves finish off the upset over the Nuggets to advance to the second round

(16:32) The Knicks demolish the Hawks in a blowout win to advance

(26:13) The 76ers send the series back to Boston for Game 7

(46:49) Who is smiling more: Mike Malone or Steve Kerr?

(50:55) Raptors-Cavaliers preview

(55:51) Magic-Pistons preview

(1:00:14) Rockets-Lakers preview

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