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The Ringer

Chris Vernon and David Jacoby discuss all the news, trends, and transactions happening in the NBA. They also offer their on-court analysis, and occasionally get into heated debates.

The Mismatch

Verno and Jacoby return to react to Monday night’s thrillers in Denver and New York, the Cavs dominance, and preview Tuesday night’s playoff matchups. Plus, they discuss Billy Donovan stepping down as the Bulls head coach.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(0:45) Knicks game 2 collapse turns Hawks' CJ McCollum into a villain

(21:28) Wolves-Nuggets: Timberwolves steal game 2 in Denver

(32:10) Weekend Play-in finals were terrible

(34:28) Raptors-Cavs: Cleveland handles Toronto in game 2

(42:53) 76ers-Celtics: Sixers' horrendous start, 4-23 from three

(48:53) Blazers-Spurs: Spurs aim to take 2-0 lead on Portland

(53:55) Blazers owner being cheap, no T-shirts and two-ways allowed

(59:56) Rockets-Lakers: Two non-playoff teams in the playoffs

(1:03:31) Magic-Pistons: Detroit faces must-win after game 1 upset

(1:08:37) Breaking News: Billy Donovan steps down as Bulls coach after six seasons

(1:12:01) Jacoby takes on the red carpet of 'The Devil Wears Prada 2'

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Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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CJ Stuns the Garden, Minny Upsets, and Billy Donovan Out as Bulls HC

Verno and Jacoby return to react to the opening games of the play-in tournament and preview the final games on Friday. Then, they discuss the things they care about heading into the opening round of the NBA playoffs.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(0:30) Play-in tournament recap

(2:03) Hornets-Heat: The game was wildly entertaining

(7:06) Magic-76ers: Magic fans would rather watch Hornets-Pistons

(11:29) Warriors-Clippers: Vintage masterpiece by Steph and Green

(24:15) Blazers-Suns: Devin Booker will be front and center vs. the Warriors

(28:48) Things we care about going into the playoffs

(29:09) Things we care about: Wings vs. bigs in the Cavs-Toronto matchup

(32:34) Things we care about: What if the Cavs lose?

(38:11) Things we care about: Last run for this iteration of the Wolves

(43:05) Things we care about: Nuggets must close quick

(47:48) Things we care about: Can the Knicks run with the Hawks?

(49:43) Things we care about: The Knicks' transition defense

(53:28) Things we care about: Mitchell Robinson’s free throw shooting

(1:00:06) Things we care about: Can the Celtics' regular-season success carry into the playoffs?

(1:03:19) Things we care about: Is effort the Moneyball of the NBA?

(1:06:08) Things we care about: Who doesn’t love Tyrese Maxey?

(1:12:29) Things we care about: Small-market energy

(1:16:05) Things we care about: Battle scars

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Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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Play-In Madness and Things We Care About in the First Round

Verno and Jacoby return to react to the final weekend of the NBA regular season, take a look at the 2026 Play-in Tournament, and break down the playoff matchups. Then, they give their biggest surprises and disappointments from the regular season.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

01:45 Previewing the Play-in Tournament

02:28 Heat-Hornets: Heat are a tough out, Hornets are young

8:40 Blazers-Suns: Next round vs. Spurs favors the Trail Blazers

14:47 Magic-76ers: Will this be a revenge game for Philly?

18:35 Warriors-Clippers: Warriors stumbling into matchup

25:12 Knicks-Hawks: Initial thoughts for the matchup

29:06 Rockets-Lakers: Luka has to be available to beat the Rockets

34:18 Wolves-Nuggets: The underdog has been a problem for Denver in the past

39:35 Verno’s Surprises: The Spurs' huge leap from the lottery

43:10 Jacoby’s Surprises: How much better the Celtics were going into the season

46:54 Verno’s Disappointments: How reckless tanking has become in the NBA

48:39 Jacoby’s Disappointments: The NBA turning into a law firm

51:56 Verno’s Surprises: The statistical greatness of Nikola Jokić

57:55 Jacoby’s Surprises: 2025 draft class was really impactful

59:32 Verno’s Disappointments: Doc Rivers and the disaster of the Bucks

1:01:37 Jacoby’s Disappointments: NBC selling us Michael Jordan and not delivering

1:03:45 Verno’s Surprises: The Clippers recovering from their bad start

1:06:07 Jacoby’s Surprises: Clippers sending CP3 into retirement

1:13:34 Jacoby’s Disappointments: Chauncey Billups in a federal indictment

The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. (only needed when baked-in FanDuel ad read is in episode)

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Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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Play-in Previews, Plus Surprises and Disappointments from This Season

Jacoby and Verno fire up their mics immediately after the Knicks defeat the Celtics and discuss how this matchup could be one to look forward to in the playoffs.

(0:17) Welcome to The Mismatch!

(0:48) Josh Hart saves the show with monster 3s in a Knicks win

(5:44) Celtics-Knicks destined to meet again in the playoffs

(12:09) Eastern Conference playoff picture still a mess

(17:21) Loves and Loathes

(19:12) Verno Loves: Cade Cunningham coming back

(23:12) Jacoby Loves: Teams at full strength for the playoffs

(25:10) Verno Loathes: First round of the West playoffs will be a dud

(30:12) Jacoby Loathes: 76ers’ Joel Embiid has surgery for appendicitis

(35:15) Verno Loves: ROY award is back and forth between Flagg and Knueppel

(37:26) Jacoby Loves: 1.4 million 10-game runs by only one player, Nikola Jokić

(41:06) Verno Loathes: “No way in hell they wanna see us” by Dillon Brooks

(47:28) Jacoby Loathes: Giannis incentivized to play because of his shoes

(51:45) Verno Loves: Kings’ Doug Christie making a tactical error instead of tanking

(57:18) Jacoby Loves: Carter Bryant guarding the big men

(1:00:21) Verno Loathes: AD upset for not getting a Pelicans tribute video

(1:03:53) Jacoby Loathes: That he loves Verno’s Masters updates

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Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091

Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Brian H. Waters and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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Knicks' Huge Win Sets the Tone for Potential Collision Course with the Celtics, Plus Loves and Loathes

Verno and Jacoby return to react to last night’s matchups, including the Knicks-Hawks matchup, Victor Wembanyama’s injury, and Cooper Flagg’s legendary weekend.

Welcome to The Mismatch!

(0:34) Grizzlies tie NBA record with 29 3-pointers and still lose

(3:04) Michigan Wolverines win second national title in program history

(9:52) Knicks-Hawks: Jalen Brunson clutch in the 4th quarter

(13:59) 76ers-Spurs: Wemby leaves game with a rib contusion

(16:02) Raptors in a tight battle for the 6th seed in the Eastern Conference

(24:13) Jokic-Wemby matchup was absolute theater

(26:23) Strahinja Jokic goes viral again for altercation with fan

(31:29) More headlines: Steph’s return, AD Pranks Draymond, Flagg ROY

(39:42) Injury update: Can the Wolves hold it together without Ant? 

(44:38) Injury update: Luka going overseas for injections

(47:29) Bulls fire front office, and Billy Donovan gains power in Chicago

(51:59) NBA not the place for the “my way or the highway coaches”

(59:15) Huge week ahead of games will set the playoff stage

(1:01:40) Verno teases his Masters Weekend Updates

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Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091

Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff Shearin

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Brunson Closes, Wemby Injury, and ROY Race Heats Up Again

Jacoby and Verno close the week out with their Loves & Loathes, which include LeBron James’s Memphis slander, the Wizards' failed April Fools prank, and Steph Curry’s return!

(0:58) Headlines From Thursday’s Games

(6:53) Loves and Loathes 

(7:05) Verno Loves: Hawks were once 26-30, now they are 44-33

(13:29) Jacoby Loves: Wardell Stephen Curry II Returns on Easter Sunday

(16:16) Verno Loathes: Mosley’s Orlando Tragic Lose by 50+ to Raptors

(23:32) Jacoby Loathes: MVP race is over, SGA wins it 

(25:55) Verno Loves: Ayo Dosunmu Should be Franchise Point Guard

(28:31) Jacoby Loves: Paul George’s post Suspension Play

(30:37) Verno Loathes: LeBron’s Memphis Slander in Favorite Golf videos

(40:55) Jacoby Loathes: LeBron coming after Verno’s City of Memphis

(42:48) Verno Loves: Maxime Raynaud named NBA Rookie of the Month

(45:00) Jacoby Loves: The Pacers effort at the end of the Season

(46:50) Verno Loathes: The Wizards April Fools Fiasco

(53:48) Jacoby Loathes: The Raptors 

(55:50) Verno Loves: Kawhi Leonard’s 1 minute “Back to Nature” Documentary

(1:00:33) Jacoby Loves: Watching The Bucks Ousmane Dieng

(1:04:17) Verno Loathes: Knicks fans have lost some Juice

(1:11:56) Jacoby Loathes: How much Reality Show “Summer House” has taken up in his brain

The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available.

Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091

Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Jessie Lopez, Brian H. Waters, and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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LeBron Slanders Memphis and Verno Responds. Plus, Loves & Loathes.

Verno and Jacoby return to react to the Thunder-Pistons matchup, the logjam in the Eastern Conference playoffs race, and things they are tired of this season.Welcome to The Mismatch!

(0:53) Top teams are jockeying for playoff position

(2:45) Eastern Conference: Magic fighting, Hornets chasing

(5:16) Western Conference: The Suns' good vibes

(10:13) West teams battling for 4,5 and 6: Nuggets, Timberwolves, Rockets

(16:21) The MVP Race: Wemby, SGA, Jokić, Dončić, Jaylen Brown

(23:30) Things we are tired of: SGA’s free throw discourse

(27:45) Things we are tired of: lack of respect for the Pistons

(36:19) Things we are tired of: KAT unclear about his role

(40:46) Things we are tired of: tanking teams and players you have never heard of

(50:33) Things we are tired of: not having Anthony Edwards in our life

(53:41) Things we are tired of: NBA floating ideas to the media about tanking

(57:18) Things we are tired of: “If the 76ers are healthy”

(59:04) Things we are tired of: doing a show with a guy who resents Wemby

(1:01:53) “Monsieur Basket” Joins the Mismatch!

Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091Hosts: Chris Vernon and David JacobyProducers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff ShearinSocial: Keith Fujimoto
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Things We Are Tired Of and Eastern Conference Playoff Push

Verno and Jacoby jump right into their Loves and Loathes, including Wemby’s case for MVP and why Draymond agrees and disagrees with it, George Gervin’s case as the real Iceman, Shai’s and JB’s jabs at each other, and more.

(:17) Welcome to The Mismatch!

(:23) Sweet 16 started: Purdue and Iowa deliver victories

(2:31) 76ers rout the Bulls with 157 points

(7:58) The Thunder and Celtics silently dissing each other

(11:16) The latest saga with Giannis and the Bucks

(21:04) The Celtics are not supposed to be this good

(24:42) The Atlanta Hawks' run to 41-32

(31:46) Key players returning for the playoffs

(33:11) Rudy Gobert and his longevity diet

(37:37) Scott Foster and every one of his calls

(40:50) Victor Wembanyama’s case for MVP

(50:28) The Hornets and the defense that they play

(54:17) Draymond Green and his case for MVP

(59:23) The Rockets and all of their problems

(1:02:09) Jokic reminds the league he’s MVP-caliber

(1:07:35) Zion playing all these games for the Pelicans

(1:09:53) There's only one “Iceman,” and that is George Gervin

(1:12:45) Long TSA lines!

The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available.

Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091

Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Brian H. Waters and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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Loves and Loathes, Victor Wembanyama’s Case for MVP, and Who Is the Real Iceman?

Verno and Jacoby return to react to last night’s matchups, including the Lakers' win streak ending in Detroit. Then they look at 10 important things happening in the remainder of the regular season, and the Prospector returns.Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:40) Pistons end the red-hot Lakers' win streak: No Luka magic

(8:23) 10 things with 10 games left

(8:55) What stands out in the East standings?

(9:05) What are the Bucks doing?: The Cam Thomas dilemma

(11:36) Cavs playoff chances: Payroll is in win-now mode

(16:20) The regression is real for the Orlando Magic

(20:42) What stands out in the West standings?

(26:09) Lakers desperate and scary: Luka MVP, LeBron breaking records

(35:40) Thunder-Wizards fight: The Wizards are ruining the NBA

(40:35) Knicks are sending Jacoby to therapy

(44:45) Kevin Durant passes MJ: Fifth all time on scoring list

(59:40) The Prospector is back with an NCAA tournament update

Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091Hosts: Chris Vernon and David JacobyProducers: Stefan Anderson and Jeff ShearinSocial: Keith Fujimoto
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10 Things With 10 Games Left, and the Lakers' Streak Ends at Nine

Verno and Jacoby share live reactions while Luka Doncic drops 60 points as the Lakers' win streak continues, Victor Wembanyama silences the Suns (and Jacoby) with a game-winner, and they have an interesting debate about astrology and discover a new way that it relates to the NBA.

(00:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!

(00:31) Red-hot Charlotte on a roll after its 4-14 start to the season

(02:16) Luka drops 60 for the Lakers: Historic night in Miami

(06:25) Wemby silences Jacoby: Spurs' clutch 101-100 win vs. Suns

(10:36) Pistons’ big opportunity: Prove they’re not Cade-dependent

(20:06) Loves and Loathes

(20:25) Verno Loves: Tomahawk poster by Rasheer Fleming

(26:20) Jacoby Loves: Luka and the Lakers’ vibe is different

(31:35) Verno Loathes: Watching the Nuggets implode vs. the Grizzlies

(40:14) Jacoby Loathes: The position the Pelicans are in

(42:02) Verno Loves: Dejounte Murray’s Achilles return

(45:04) Jacoby Loves: The Eastern Conference solidified a lot at the trade deadline

(47:13) Verno Loathes: 65-game rule needs to be amended for injury

(51:31) Jacoby Loathes: Anyone who believes in astrology

(56:17) Verno Loves: Carlos Boozer repping son Cameron

(58:16) Jacoby Loves: Nebraska wins first NCAA tournament game in school history

(01:02:55) Verno Loathes: Draymond the “jerkface”

(01:06:46) Jacoby Loathes: Anthony Davis ‘Punk'd’ show

The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. (only needed when baked-in FanDuel ad read is in episode)

Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! (323) 389-5091

Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby

Producers: Stefan Anderson, Brian Waters, and Jeff Shearin

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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Brunson Closes, Wemby Injury, and ROY Race Heats Up Again

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