Bruce Schneier is a fellow and lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School and the Berkman-Klein Center for Internet and Society. He is a special advisor to IBM Security and a board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Access Now, and the Tor Project. You can find him on Schneier.comand on twitter at @schneierblog He is the author of Data and Goliath, Applied Cryptography, Liars and Outliers, Secrets and Lies, and Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly about Security in an Uncertain World. His new book is Click Here to Kill Everybody, which we discuss at length, as well as: • How to protect yourself from being hacked and what to do if you are hacked • Why companies do not invest more in software security • The motivation of hackers: money, power, fun • The probability of your car being hacked and driven into a wall • The probability of planes being hacked and felled from the sky • Edward Snowden and Wikileaks: hero or villain • The Pentagon Papers and Daniel Ellsberg • What would happen if the electrical grid was hacked • Cyberdeaths (homicides done remotely over the Internet) and how the government will respond with regulations when it does • If the government were to set a policy for the security level of an IoT device that can kill people, is there a maximum allowed probability that it could be hacked? • The North Korean hack of Sony • The Russian hack of the 2016 election and how to prevent that from happening again • Why we’re still using paper ballots in our voting system rather than computers and ATMs like banks use. • The lessons of Y2K for the coming AI apocalypse • What keeps him up at night Listen to Science Salon via iTunes, Spotify, Google Play Music, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, TuneIn, and Soundcloud. This Science Salon was recorded on January 21, 2019. You play a vital part in our commitment to promote science and reason. If you enjoy the Science Salon Podcast, please show your support by making a donation, or by becoming a patron.