A June 30th deadline set by anti-migrant groups for undocumented foreigners to leave, has come and gone. Thousands protested across the country, against what they say is a broken immigration system. So, what's driving this debate? And what are the political, economic and diplomatic costs? In this episode: • William Gumede, Associate Professor at the University of the Witwatersrand • Nomvula Mokonyane, First Deputy Secretary General of South Africa's governing ANC party • Richard Pithouse, Distinguished Research Fellow at The Global Centre for Advanced Studies Host: Imran Khan Connect with us: @AJEPodcasts on X, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube