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A bite-sized show about big ideas. From the people who make Planet Money, The Indicator helps you make sense of what's happening in today's economy. It's a quick hit of insight into money, work, and business. Monday through Friday, in 10 minutes or less.

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It’s … Indicators of the Week! Our rapid run through the numbers you need to know. 

On today’s episode: John Legend croons; CPI inflation soothes; Same job as mom? You’ll earn more, dude; Apple vs. Apple, a courtroom feud. 

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The nepo baby premium, frothing markets, and Apple vs. Apples

Seemingly every celebrity has their own brand these days, whether it’s booze (Cameron Diaz, Matthew McConaughey) or cosmetics (Selena Gomez, Lady Gaga) or squeezy food pouches (Jennifer Garner). Today on the show, what is fueling the celebrity business bonanza? We hear from two legendary singers, Lisa Loeb AND John Legend, who are pursuing ventures outside of show business. 

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The Olympian to influencer pipeline (Apple / Spotify)

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Why every A-lister also has a side hustle

Trump’s tax and spending law makes the largest cut in history to one of the nation’s biggest safety net programs. Today on the show, we explore how cuts to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as SNAP, impacts families and grocery stores alike. 

Based on the digital story: Independent grocery stores have had a tough five years. SNAP cuts will make it harder

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When SNAP Gets Squeezed 
The trouble with water discounts

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Why Trump's spending bill could close your grocery store

Insulin needles. Sleeping bags. Nutella. These are items Arwa Damon’s charity — International Network for Aid, Relief and Assistance — has tried to send to Gaza and Israel has rejected. It’s a glimpse into the harsh reality of a humanitarian crisis with no end in sight. Today on the show, we talk to Damon about the economics of running a humanitarian nonprofit and what’s stopping more aid from reaching Gaza. 

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Why Israel uses diaspora bonds 
Why the U.S. helps pay for Israel’s military 
What could convince Egypt to take Gaza’s refugees? 

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The arduous system for getting aid into Gaza

It's time for our annual beach reading recs. Today we bring you three books, with a little economic learning to boot. Our recs: 

Who is Government? The Untold Story of Public Service edited by Michael Lewis 
El Dorado Drive by Megan Abbott 
Algospeak: How Social Media is Transforming the Future of Language by Adam Aleksic 

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Beach reading with a side of economics 
How to beach on a budget 

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What we're reading on the beach this summer

It's ... Indicators of the Week! Our weekly look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news. 

On today's episode: Palantir crosses a billion dollars in quarterly revenue (what do they actually do again?); mRNA vaccine research gets a big cut in RFK Jr's health department; and a climate disaster database gets a new lease on life.

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Moonshot in the arm

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More for Palantir, less for mRNA, and a disaster database redemption arc

President Trump's new round of tariffs took effect today. It will bring in billions of dollars to the government, in part paid for by U.S. importers who can decide whether to pass that cost onto American families. But are these tariffs legal?

Today on the show, the arguments for and against the president's tariffs and what happens to that tariff revenue if Trump loses.

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Are Trump's tariffs legal? 

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The legal case for — and against — Trump's tariffs

Why do revisions to the jobs report happen? Today on the show, we speak with a former Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics about why revisions occur and how we should interpret the monthly report's actual message. 

Related episodes:
Can we still trust the monthly jobs report? (Update)
What really goes on at the Bureau of Labor Statistics (Update)
​​How you're using AI at work

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What you need to know about the jobs report revisions

Since his return to office, President Trump has waged something of a pressure campaign on economic data and the people in charge of delivering it. His firing of the Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner following a weak jobs report now has some wondering: can we still trust the official numbers? Today on the show, we're resharing our conversation with former BLS commissioner, Erica Groshen on her current fears for the integrity of government data. The original version of this story aired March 7, 2025. 

Related: 
What really goes on at the Bureau of Labor Statistics? (Update) (Apple / Spotify) 
Would you trust an economist with your economy? (Apple / Spotify) 

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Can we still trust the monthly jobs report? (Update)

On Friday, we reported on the latest jobs numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which showed weaker than expected growth. On Friday afternoon, President Trump fired the person in charge of those numbers. 

The monthly jobs report is a critical tool for the economy, used by businesses to make decisions and the Federal Reserve to set rates. So how exactly are those figures collected? Today, we're re-airing our behind-the-scenes look at how the BLS puts together the jobs report ... one call at a time. 

This show originally aired June 6, 2022. 

Related: 
Can we trust the monthly jobs report? 
Would you trust an economist with your economy? 

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What really goes on at the Bureau of Labor Statistics (Update)

China has set out its target for economic growth this year: around 5 percent. That's a hefty goal for a nation coming off a painful real estate slump. But leaders have their eyes set on other industries to help its economy grow. Today, we dig into the headwinds and tailwinds facing China's economy. 

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The mess at the heart of China's economy (Apple / Spotify) 
The race to produce lithium (Apple / Spotify) 
What's really happening with the Evergrande liquidation (Apple / Spotify) 

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What might save China's economy

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