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The New York Times

This is what the news should sound like. The biggest stories of our time, told by the best journalists in the world. Hosted by Michael Barbaro, Rachel Abrams and Natalie Kitroeff. Twenty minutes a day, five days a week, ready by 6 a.m. 

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The Daily

Over the past 24 hours, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been plunged into turmoil.

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. tried to fire the agency’s director, Susan Monarez, igniting a standoff that prompted three other senior officials to resign.

One of those officials, Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, explains why he chose to take a stand.

Guest: Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, a former director at the C.D.C.

Background reading: 

 • The Covid-19 pandemic made the C.D.C. 
a frequent target • of lawmakers and segments of the general public.
 • Mr. Kennedy’s move to dismiss Dr. Monarez came after she 
declined to fire agency leaders • or to accept all recommendations from a vaccine advisory panel, according to people with knowledge of the events.

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. 

Photo: Alyssa Pointer/Reuters

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The C.D.C.’s Vaccine Chief on Why Quitting Was His Only Option

A curious news story emerged in New York last week. It involved the mayor’s race, a reporter from the news outlet The City and a bag of chips.

Michael Forsythe, a reporter on the investigations team at The New York Times, explains how the episode fits into a larger story about how China has been attempting to influence American politics.

Guest: Michael Forsythe, a reporter on the investigations team at The New York Times.

Background reading: 

 • In the past few years, community organizations have 
quietly foiled the careers • of politicians who opposed China’s authoritarian government.
 • Times reporters witnessed supporters of the New York mayor, Eric Adams, 
handing out cash-filled envelopes • . Sometimes, that money went to reporters from Chinese-language outlets.

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. 

Photo: Shuran Huang for The New York Times

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Threats and Cash: How China Meddles in U.S. Local Elections

President Trump’s decision to try to fire a member of the Federal Reserve’s governing board is his most audacious attack yet on the independence of the central bank.

Ben Casselman, chief economics correspondent for The New York Times, discusses why Mr. Trump’s route to controlling the Fed passes through the governor, an economics professor named Lisa Cook.

Guest: Ben Casselman, the chief economics correspondent for The New York Times.

Background reading: 

 • Mr. Trump’s 
move to fire Ms. Cook • is a legally dubious maneuver that could undermine the independence of the nation’s central bank.
 • Seeking to retool the Fed, Mr. Trump 
risks upending a pillar of the global economy • .

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Photo: Drew Angerer/Getty Images

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Trump’s Takeover of the Fed

Seemingly overnight, Americans have become obsessed with pumping as much protein as possible into every drink, snack and meal.

Elizabeth Dunn, a writer and contributor to The Times, explains the origins of this latest nutrition craze.

Guest: Elizabeth Dunn, a writer and contributor to The New York Times.

Background reading: 

 • The David bar, basically a protein Scud missile wrapped in gold foil, has had breakout success. But 
can the trend last • ?
 • Read 
a fact-check • about some of the big claims made about protein.

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. 

Photo: David Chow for The New York Times

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How America Got Obsessed With Protein

The race to dominate artificial intelligence has become a scramble for talent, with tech companies offering pay packages of $250 million and poaching their competitors’ best employees.

Mike Isaac, who covers the tech sector for The Times, explains why all the hype is raising fears that A.I. could become the next big bubble.

Guest: Mike Isaac, a New York Times reporter based in the San Francisco Bay Area, covering tech companies and Silicon Valley.

Background reading: 

 • To navigate 
the recruitment frenzy • , many A.I. researchers have turned to unofficial agents to strategize.
 • Life for workers at Silicon Valley’s biggest tech companies has changed as the behemoth firms have 
aged into large bureaucracies • .

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Photo: Photo Illustration by Ihor Lukianenko, via Getty Images

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Inside the A.I. Talent Wars

Stories of romantic love are everywhere, but the actor, singer and comedian Bridget Everett says that friendships deserve our attention, too. Onscreen and in everyday life.

Last Fall, Everett appeared on Modern Love to talk about her HBO Original series “Somebody Somewhere,” which centers on a close friendship. Now she’s nominated for an Emmy Award for writing the show, along with Hannah Bos and Paul Thureen.

In “Somebody Somewhere,” Everett stars as Sam, a woman struggling with grief and self-doubt after losing her sister. As Sam grows closer to her friend Joel — played by Jeff Hiller, an Outstanding Supporting Actor nominee — the future starts to look more bearable.

In this episode of Modern Love, Everett tells Anna Martin why she’s looking for a friendship like the one Sam and Joel have on the show. She also reads a Modern Love essay called “When Your Greatest Romance Is a Friendship,” by Victor Lodato. Lodato was in his 40s when he fell into a platonic life partnership with an artist in her 80s, who lived across the street.

In April 2024, Lodato published “Honey,” a novel inspired by Austin Brayfield, the friend he wrote about in his essay.

Find new episodes of Modern Love every Wednesday. Follow the show wherever you get your podcasts: 

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‘Modern Love’: Bridget Everett Says A Best Friend Can Be Your Greatest Love

The former evangelical star on waking up halfway through her life. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything
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'The Interview': Jen Hatmaker's Life Exploded in Middle Age. So She Built a Better One.

Texas is about to gerrymander five new house seats, and California is ready to retaliate. Gov. Gavin Newsom says that his state will also redraw its congressional maps to create five new districts, effectively fighting fire with fire.

Laurel Rosenhall, who covers California’s government and politics, discusses whether the state’s voters will actually go for this plan, whether it’ll work if they do, and what is at stake either way.

Guest: Laurel Rosenhall, a New York Times reporter covering California politics and government.

Background reading: 

 • Mr. Newsom and Democratic state lawmakers 
moved quickly to create new districts • that could help their party flip five congressional seats.
 • The Texas House approved a congressional map 
intended to help Republicans win five more U.S. House seats • .

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Photo: Mike Blake/Reuters

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California Strikes Back at Texas’ Power Grab

Warning: This episode contains strong language.

In President Trump’s second term, Laura Loomer has emerged as the most influential outside adviser, telling the president whom to fire and shaping major policy decisions.

Ken Bensinger, who covers media and politics, explains how a social media provocateur became Mr. Trump’s favorite blunt instrument.

Guest: Ken Bensinger, a New York Times reporter covering media and politics.

Background reading: 

 • Ms. Loomer is 
Mr. Trump’s blunt instrument • .
 • Her role in firings at the National Security Council 
showed a rising sway of fringe figures on the president • .

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. 

Photo: Greg Kahn for The New York Times

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The Right-Wing Provocateur Who Has Trump’s Ear

Across the country, public schools are facing steep declines in enrollment, while the movement to use public funds for private education grows.

Dana Goldstein, who covers education and families for The New York Times, explains why so many parents are using taxpayer money to privately educate their children — and what this means for American education.

Guest: Dana Goldstein, a reporter covering education and families for The New York Times.

Background reading: 

 • A decline in the number of children and rise in the number of choices 
has created a crisis for public schools • .
 • In July, Congress approved 
the first national school voucher plan • , helping to pay for private education.

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. 

Photo: Zack Wittman for The New York Times

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Why So Many Parents Are Opting Out of Public Schools

Ever since the discovery of whale songs almost 60 years ago, scientists have been trying to decipher the lyrics.

But sperm whales don’t produce the eerie melodies sung by humpback whales, sounds that became a sensation in the 1960s. Instead, sperm whales rattle off clicks that sound like a cross between Morse code and a creaking door.

Carl Zimmer, a science reporter, explains the possibility why it’s possible that the whales are communicating in a complex language.

Guest: Carl Zimmer, a science reporter for The New York Times who also writes the Origins column.

Background reading

Scientists find an “alphabet” in whale songs.These whales still use their vocal cords. But how?
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