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The New York Times

This is what the news should sound like. The biggest stories of our time, told by the best journalists in the world. Hosted by Michael Barbaro, Rachel Abrams and Natalie Kitroeff. Twenty minutes a day, five days a week, ready by 6 a.m. 

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The Daily

President Trump has called the sweeping domestic policy bill that recently passed in the House the most important piece of legislation in his second term — a single bill that would unlock his entire domestic agenda.

But as that bill heads to the Senate, it’s raising questions among Republicans about whom Trumpism is really for. Today, the New York Times congressional correspondent Catie Edmondson joins “The Daily” to talk about the big messy battle over what Republicans have named the One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

Guest: Catie Edmondson, a congressional correspondent for The New York Times.

Background reading: 

President Trump is pressuring Republicans to back his policy bill, but the measure’s opponents have a powerful new ally: Elon Musk.

Mr. Trump’s policy bill would add $2.4 trillion to the national debt, the Congressional Budget Office said on Wednesday. That estimate was all but certain to inflame concerns over the fiscal consequences of the legislation.

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Photo: Kenny Holston/The New York Times

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The Big Ugly Battle Over the Big Beautiful Bill

During an extraordinary weekend, President Trump deployed 2,000 troops from the National Guard to suppress protests in Los Angeles against his own immigration policies, and his bitter breakup with the world’s richest man, Elon Musk, entered a new stage of acrimony.

Shawn Hubler, The New York Times’s Los Angeles bureau chief, and Jonathan Swan, a White House correspondent, join Michael Barbaro to walk listeners through an eventful 48 hours.

Guests: 

Shawn Hubler • , the Los Angeles bureau chief for The New York Times.
Jonathan Swan • , a White House reporter for The New York Times.

Background reading

 • Law enforcement officials 
fired tear gas and crowd-control ammunition • at protesters in downtown Los Angeles on Sunday.
 • Mr. Trump’s decision to remove a close associate of Mr. Musk from the running to lead NASA 
helped doom an extraordinary partnership • .

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Photo: Gabriela Bhaskar/The New York Times

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Federal Troops Enter L.A. — and the Trump-Musk Feud Hardens

The Academy Award-winning actress discusses her lifelong quest for connection, humanity’s innate goodness and the point of being alive.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything
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'The Interview': Tilda Swinton Would Like a Word With Trump About His Mother

The host of the “Call Her Daddy” podcast and founder of the Unwell Network discusses her interview with Vice President Kamala Harris ahead of the 2024 election, her podcast’s journey from chatting about sex advice to delving into more serious subjects and how the Unwell Network’s fan merchandise became a eight-figure business.

“I don’t care if people consider me a journalist or a podcaster, or just a girl that talks online every week.”

This interview was with Andrew Ross Sorkin of The New York Times at the annual DealBook Summit and recorded live in front of an audience at Jazz at Lincoln Center. Read more about highlights from the day at https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/04/business/dealbook-summit-news

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From DealBook: Alex Cooper on Building a Media Brand

Syria has been controlled by one family for more than half a century who ruled by repression, devastation and violence.

But about two weeks ago, the regime began to falter, and then over the course of one night, it collapsed.

Carlotta Gall, a senior correspondent for The New York Times, discusses the fall of Bashar al-Assad and what comes next.

Guest: Carlotta Gall, a senior correspondent for The New York Times, focusing on the human aspect of wars and civil strife.

Background reading: 

 • Live updates:
 The rebels who toppled Assad face stark challenges in Syria • .
 • With Assad gone, a brutal dictatorship ends.
 But the new risks are huge • .

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Inside The Fall Of Syria’s Brutal Dictator

Last week, the chief executive of UnitedHealthcare was shot and killed in Manhattan. A five-day search for the gunman ensued.

On Monday, a 26-year-old suspect, Luigi Mangione, was arrested in Pennsylvania after an employee at a McDonald’s recognized him and called the police.

Dionne Searcey, who covers wealth and corporations, and Maria Cramer, a crime reporter in New York City, break down what we know about the suspect, and what the case has revealed about many Americans’ contempt for insurance companies.

Guest: 

Dionne Searcey • , a reporter for The New York Times writing about how the choices made by people and corporations affect the future of our planet.
Maria Cramer • , a reporter for The New York Times covering the New York Police Department and crime in the city and surrounding areas.

Background reading: 

The suspect was an Ivy League tech graduate • from a prominent Maryland family who in recent months had suffered physical and psychological pain.
A visual timeline • of the UnitedHealthcare C.E.O. shooting.

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The Manhunt, the Manifesto and the Murder Charge

On Sunday, after a fire that many feared would destroy it, and a swift renovation that defied all predictions, the Cathedral of Notre-Dame reopened to the public.

Michael Kimmelman, the chief architecture critic at The Times, tells the story of the miracle on the Seine.

Guest: Michael Kimmelman, the architecture critic of The New York Times and the founder and editor-at-large of Headway.

Background reading: 

 • Critic’s Notebook:
 Notre-Dame’s astonishing rebirth from the ashes • .
 • The rebuilding took about
 250 companies, 2,000 workers, about $900 million • , a tight deadline and a lot of national pride.
See photos • from the reopening.

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Notre-Dame Rises From the Ashes

An alarming new hack by China has penetrated the nerve center of the United States: its telephone network.

David E. Sanger, the White House and national security correspondent for The New York Times, discusses what the scope of the attack tells us about China’s growing power.

Guest: David E. Sanger, the White House and national security correspondent for The New York Times.

Background reading: 

 • The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said
 hackers listened to phone calls and read texts • by exploiting aging equipment and seams in the networks that connect systems.
 • Emerging details of Chinese hack have left U.S. officials
 increasingly concerned • .

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How China Hacked America’s Phone Network

A new study has found that nearly three-quarters of American adults are now obese or overweight, and there’s growing concern — among politicians, scientists and consumers — about one potential culprit: ultraprocessed foods.

Guest: Alice Callahan, a nutrition and health reporter for The New York Times, discusses how these foods came to be such a big part of what we eat, and why that’s so hard to change. 

Background reading: 

 • There’s not enough evidence to recommend avoiding ultraprocessed foods, a scientific advisory committee says.
 Some experts disagree • .
 • Name a common condition — heart disease, Type 2 diabetes, cancer, dementia, irritable bowel syndrome — and chances are good that a diet high in
 ultraprocessed foods has been linked to it • . 

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A Turning Point for Ultraprocessed Foods

The guidebook writer and television personality reflects on his cancer diagnosis, social media’s corrosive effect on tourism and the transformative power of travel.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything
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'The Interview': Rick Steves Refuses To Get Cynical About the World

Thousands of years ago, after domesticating cows and other ruminants, humans did something remarkable: They began to consume the milk from these animals.

But living closely with animals and drinking their milk also presents risks, chief among them the increased likelihood that infections will jump from animals to people. Some of humanity’s nastiest scourges, including smallpox and measles, probably originated in domesticated animals. In the 19th century, health authorities began pushing for milk to be treated by heating it; this simple practice of pasteurizing milk would come to be considered one of the great public-health triumphs of the modern era.

Today, however, a small but growing number of Americans prefer to drink their milk raw. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President Trump’s choice to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, now stands at the vanguard of this movement.

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The Sunday Read: ‘Some Raw Truths About Raw Milk’

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