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The Bulwark

Tim Miller and guests discuss the latest political news for the flagship podcast of the Never Trump movement and the reality-based community. Every weekday we provide insightful analysis, political hot-takes, an unabashed defense of liberal democracy and long-form interviews that cut through the "both-sides" BS. Plus a few laughs to help you wash down the crazy.

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The Bulwark Podcast

Official Mississippi doesn't really want to talk about the murder of Emmett Till—or teach about the murder of Emmett Till. Almost 71 years later, the intentional attempt to erase the crime lives on. On this MLK Day weekend, Wright joins Tim to discuss the role of history and black history in our public consciousness. Meanwhile, Trump and MAGA are busy trying to rewrite the history of modern-day political violence, including the thuggery of ICE agents. Plus, a ranking of the best SEC college towns, a tribute to Bob Weir, the impact of tariffs on farmers—as well as this year's Mardi Gras— and even the White House is starting to get concerned about the optics of Trump's deportation operation.

 ESPN's Wright Thompson joins Tim Miller for the holiday weekend pod.

show notes

Wright's book, "The Barn: The Secret History of a Murder in Mississippi" 
JVL on Trump stashing America's money in Qatar 
Wright's documentary he did with Mickey Hart, "Rhythm Masters" 
Marc Caputo on White House concerns about the optics of deportation 
Tim's playlist

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Wright Thompson: The Ghosts of Mississippi

For some reason, the president thinks he is winning the news cycle by occupying a great American city and ordering his agents to violently confront U.S. citizens. But polling and anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. At the same time, Dems have got to stop tying themselves up in knots over what language to use about ICE. Just keep the messaging fight focused on Trump, Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem, and ICE. Plus, a strike on Iran is looking less likely, Jeff Bezos is a chicken and should sell The Post, the administration is pushing food rationing, our European allies are planning military exercises over the threat to Greenland, and what happened to the Epstein files? 

Sam Stein joins Tim Miller.

show notes

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Lauren on the battle among Dems over the term, "Abolish ICE" 

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The reporter who applied to be an ICE agent 

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Sam's piece about the Dougs 

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Tim and Sam debating the worst Cabinet members 

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Sam Stein: Trump Is Trying to Instigate Unrest

To the people who have actually served in war zones—and been up close and personal in real do-or-die situations—the masked, heavily armed agents who are stalking our streets are thugs and cowards. And they would be nobodies without the badges and guns that have been gratuitously handed to them. Meanwhile, amid all the action around Venezuela, Russia's relentless attacks on Ukraine's power sources in the dead of winter is being overlooked by much of the American media. And Trump's fixation with Greenland has the Swedes talking about making nuclear weapons. Plus, airstrikes on Iran alone would miss the strategic mark, Trump still hasn't stopped eight-plus wars, and the Havana Syndrome is real.

Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling joins Tim Miller.

show notes

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Mark's piece on Iran

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Mark calling for ICE agents to remove their masks

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The most recent episode of Sarah's 'Illegal News' pod with Asha Rangappa

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Follow "Bulwark Takes" to get the latest "Command Post" from Mark

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Daniel Dale's fact check of Trump

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Mark Hertling: The Cowards of ICE

Trump's low approval ratings may be giving people the idea that he is weak and disempowered. But Trump backed into a corner could well be more unconstrained and more dangerous—and it could also fuel his imperialist ambitions toward Greenland, an island he has been obsessed with owning since his first term. Meanwhile, DHS always knew people would die because of their mass deportation efforts and it still wholly accepted the risk of its military-style operations. But the opposition on the street is building. Plus, a year after the LA fires, a look at the role of disinformation in the disaster, the slow recovery, and the lack of emergency planning by government officials.

Jacob Soboroff and Susan Glasser join Tim Miller.

show notes

Tim on the new videos coming out of Minneapolis
Jacob's book, "Firestorm: The Great Los Angeles Fires and America’s New Age of Disaster"
Susan's latest New Yorker column
Friday's episode of The New Yorker's 'Political Scene' podcast
Susan’s book with Peter Baker, “The Divider”
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The National Review piece on Greenland Susan referenced

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Susan Glasser and Jacob Soboroff: A Dangerous Lame Duck

Grandpa Trump looked like he was losing the pep in his step at the end of the year. But with him threatening the independence of the Fed, justifying the killing of an American in cold blood for teasing a federal agent, and toying with the idea of taking an ownership stake in oil companies, he's now dramatically ratcheting up his authoritarian tendencies. At the same time, he's losing sight of America First through his Venezuela distraction—and opening the door to challenges from MAGA true believers like Steve Bannon. Plus, Dems are playing a good hand in Alaska with Mary Peltola, Bill is a resist lib, and the heartwarming desire for freedom from the Iranian people.

Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.

show notes

Monday's "Morning Shots," including Mark Hertling's contribution
Mary Peltola's Senate campaign launch

Bill Kristol: This Is Accelerationist Authoritarianism

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey says ICE descended on his city with hopes of rounding up undocumented Somalis. When agents couldn't find any, they started driving around terrorizing people. And now with the killing of Renee Good, they are clearly making the city less safe. But federal officials are also lying about Good's actions before the shooting and her character—and with their bold claims of absolute immunity for ICE agents. More broadly, the administration is trying to intimidate ordinary citizens from documenting the masked agents deployed around the country. Plus, Trump is acting like a conqueror from the Middle Ages when he claims a right to Venezuela's oil, Putin is trying to mask the weakness of Russia's economy, Europeans are back to being anxious over Greenland, and Iranians are taking to the streets again.

Anne Applebaum and Mayor Jacob Frey join Tim Miller for the weekend pod.

show notes

Tim’s ‘Bulwark Take ‘on the new footage from Minneapolis
Anne's latest pod episode about how federal agents are violating the rights of Americans
Anne's latest piece on Venezuela
Tim's interview with George Retes
Tim's playlist
 • Anne’s “book club” recommendations:

The Captive Mind
The Oppermanns
The Director
The Choice of Comrades
What We Can Know

Anne Applebaum and Jacob Frey: Using Lies to Justify Violence

Most law enforcement departments train officers not to stand in front of vehicles—or shoot at moving ones—but masked ICE agents in Minneapolis did just that after descending on Renee Good's Honda Pilot and spitting out conflicting instructions to her. Not only did the president of the United States lie about the condition of the officer who shot her, Vance and Noem disparaged the deceased 37-year-old mother of three. Meanwhile, Americans are not down with the idea of the US running Venezuela. And the manosphere podcast world, which helped Trump win the election, is now feeling disillusioned and embarrassed about his betrayal of his "peace president" promise—along with his handling of the Epstein files. Plus, a discourse on white people, a consideration of Epstein's influence with the rich and powerful, and a meaty exchange over Kamala courting the Liz Cheney wing while bypassing the left's demands on Gaza. 

Ryan Grim joins Tim Miller.

show notes:

Drop Site news
Ryan's 2022 piece on progressive advocacy groups
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Ryan Grim: An Unconscionable Reaction to a Summary Execution

Biden and Merrick Garland thought Trump would just go away, but malignant narcissists must be made to leave. And with Congress not fulfilling its constitutional obligation to hold Trump accountable for running the country like a mob boss, newly minted congressional candidate George hopes to join those Democrats on the Hill who aren't afraid to investigate—and impeach—the president and his miscreants. Meanwhile, Trump is rambling about postponing the midterms as he orders the military to commit piracy at sea.

George Conway joins Tim Miller to discuss his congressional race, his return to New York, Yimbyism, and Mamdani.

show notes

George's campaign website
The latest episode of TNL

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George Conway: Trump Is a Vampire

Trump wanted to alpha male and take some oil, Hegseth wanted to bomb something, Rubio wanted Maduro gone, and aggrieved Stephen Miller wanted to bully the weak. The White House eventually settled on Venezuela as the best place to take out its aggressions and drive home its anti-immigration message. And now the administration finds itself depending on an acting Venezuelan president who has a long history of being extremely anti-American. Jonathan and Tim take a deep dive into the back story of our latest international intervention. Plus, the State Department is trying to deport an activist against online hate as a favor to Elon Musk.

Imran Ahmed and The New Yorker's Jon Blitzer join Tim Miller.

show notes

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Jon's reporting on Venezuela's acting president

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Jon on the administration's chaos in the Caribbean 

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Imran's Center for Countering Digital Hate 

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"Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here," Jon's book— recommended by a number of Tim's guests 

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Bill and Tom Joscelyn's retrospective on the fifth annivesary of Jan 6

Jonathan Blitzer: The Stars Aligned Against Venezuela

Toppling the leader of Venezuela looks to be about greed and Trump's vanity. It's not about national security, and is likely to produce bad outcomes—including more repression of ordinary Venezuelans and more refugees fleeing the country. And even the monetary value of plundering a sovereign country's oil is vastly overstated. Meanwhile, fake imagery of Venezuelans celebrating in response to the US intervention are being shared across social media, and a polymarket bet before the strike smacks of insider trading. Plus, the idiocy of the Donroe Doctrine, JD Vance should shut up, Tim Walz was not ready for national politics, Hegseth looks like a total dork over the censure of Mark Kelly, and Tim reads from the Monday Mailbag.

Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.

show notes

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Will Saletan's guide on the other countries Trump could target

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Monday's "Morning Shots," including Mark Hertling on the "belly-button rule" 

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Tim’s 2025 Music Year in Review 

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Bill Kristol: A Stupid and Insane Foreign Intervention

The polling isn't there yet, but Biden is delivering on the job, MAGA is extreme and dangerous, the GOP is a dumpster fire, and Trump is the ugliest political figure in our lifetimes. After a hellish week at SCOTUS, some hopium for the weekend pod from Simon Rosenberg. Plus, Tim Miller reads from the mailbag.

show notes:

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Simon's Hopium newsletter

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Tim's playlist

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George Conway's hat

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Tim on Dan Savage's pod

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Simon Rosenberg: I Think We're Going to Kick His Ass

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