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Nick & Jack Studios

Feel brighter every day with our 20-minute pop-biz news podcast. The 3 business stories you need, with fresh takes you can pretend you came up with — Pairs perfectly with your morning oatmeal ritual. Hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell. Formerly known as “Snacks Daily”, Nick and Jack continue their podcast independent from Robinhood.
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The Best One Yet

Filipino fast food Jollibee is McD’s, Starbucks, & Disney combined… and wants a US IPO.

Warren Buffett’s biz is trading at a retirement discount… and it’s our 3rd stock pick of 2026.

California is moving towards the 1st ever Billionaire’s Tax… so Google’s co-founder just moved.

Plus, Happy Hour is disappearing… or is it?

$JBFCY $GOOG $BRK.B

Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

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New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

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NEWSLETTER:

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OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

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About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

3️⃣ “AI Bubble Wrap” — Our Warren Buffett stock pick. Cali’s Billionaire Tax. Jollibee’s spaghetti IPO. +Unhappy Hour

Reddit is an island of realness in a flood of AI… and our stock pick of 2026.

President Trump says he’s banning Wall Street home buying… but we want the Operation Warp Speed, for homes. 

Poppi and Olipop both launched Shirley Temples… it’s the mocktail of dry january.

The Heated Rivalry is making hockey hot again… Disney should make D4.

$RDDT $PEP $KO

Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): SOLD OUT

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll 

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

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About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

2️⃣ “Upvote” — Our Reddit Stock Pick. Shirley Temple’s surge. Trump’s Landlord Lockout.

Lyft won’t get left behind by robotaxis… that’s why it’s 1 of our 3 stock picks of 2026.

Japan just sold 1 single tuna fish for $3.2M… The “Tuna King” is doing Sushi Stimulus.

Lego launched “Smart Bricks”... because to fight screens, you need a screen.

Plus, 1 out of 5 Americans got a Starbucks Gift Card this year… Happy Gift Card Swiping Wednesday.

$MAT $LYFT $SBUX

Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): https://tickets.austintheatre.org/13274/13275 

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll 

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

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Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/

Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

1️⃣ “Lyft-off” — Our Lyft stock pick. Japan’s $3.2M lucky tuna. Lego’s smart brick. +Starbucks gift cards

Our Venezuela situation is all about oil… So what will the CEO of ExxonMobil do next?

Sprinkles, inventor of Cupcake ATMs, shut down last week… Because Private Equity botched the recipe.

The big new year’s resolution is Digital Detoxing… So Twitter & Pinterest’s founders created an app for what we call Social Media Banuary.

Ozempic has a huge new market… your pet dog.

$CRMBQ $CVX $XOM

Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): https://tickets.austintheatre.org/13274/13275 

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll 

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

NEW LISTENERS

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Linkedin (Nick): https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolas-martell/

Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/

Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤳 “Banuary” — Digital Detox Resolutions. Oil’s Chevron-zuela. Sprinkles’ last cupcake. +Dog Ozempic

#1. SpaceX’s Olympics

#2. Starbucks’ Library

#3. OpenAI’s company town

To kick off 2026, we whipped up our 7th annual “3 big business wishes” for the coming year. These ain’t *just* predictions — they’re wild wishes that if you think about it, make a ton of sense. Predictions sprinkled with razzle dazzle & sprinkle dinkle.

Hit us up @tboypod to let us know what you think of these predictions… and to let us know yours.

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Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): https://tickets.austintheatre.org/13274/13275 

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll 

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

NEW LISTENERS

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Linkedin (Nick): https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolas-martell/

Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/

Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🔮 “The Predictions Pod” — SpaceX’s Olympics, Starbucks’ Library, OpenAI’s company town.

1. “Robotaxis got Promoted”: Waymo, Tesla, and Zoox. Next up? Redeye robo rides.

2. “IPO-palooza”: SpaceX, OpenAI, and Kim’s Skims IPOs

3. “Welcome to Nike Hotel”: To save the brand, Nike should “just do” a resort.

4. “Dupe-partment Stores”: A department store full of just dupes.

5. “Trillions”: That’s our word of the year.

But let us know what you think in the comments. Happy New Year — And celebrate the wins!

— Nick & Jack

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Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): https://tickets.austintheatre.org/13274/13275 

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

NEW LISTENERS

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Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/

Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

📺 “TBOY on CNN” — Our 5 Big Biz Trends of 2025 & 2026

Yetis, the 3 biggest forces in business in 2025? Trump, AI, & Affordability. For more on that? Look at every other newsletter, podcast, and social media post of every day this year.

But instead, we found the 3 biggest “pop-biz” themes of 2025: Maxxing, robots, & kale collar workers.

1. “Everything Maxxing”… From Protein Maxxing to Tariff Maxxing to the Casino Economy.

2. “Robots got Promoted”… Waymos, Blue Collar Bots, and laundry-folding humanoids.

3. “Kale Collar Workers”… Ambitious Zillennials cut Slop Bowls, but embraced Thriftonomics.

$TSLA $AMZN $SG $CMG $CAVA $SPY

Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): https://tickets.austintheatre.org/13274/13275 

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll 

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

NEW LISTENERS

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Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

📅 “Year in Review 2025” — Maxxing, Robots, & Kale Collar Workers

Watch the interview on Youtube here: https://youtu.be/eyS-eokvP-U

Everyone laughed when Jesse and Emily Cole said they were going to save baseball by turning it into a circus. The traditionalists said it was a mockery. The investors said it wouldn't scale. Babe Ruth woulda blushed.

But today, while the Red Sox and Yankees yawn in the dugout, the Savannah Bananas are selling out those very same stadiums… while on stilts.

In this episode, we sit down with the husband-and-wife co-founders to uncover how they turned a struggling startup - with so much debt they had to sell their house - into a viral phenomenon with a waitlist of over 1 million people.

We dive deep into their "Fans First" business model, why they refuse to take VCmoney, and how "burning the boring" let them create a new sport and disrupt a 100-year-old industry.

They even got engaged in the middle of a (rainy) baseball game.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:

The "Anti-Business" Model: • Why they refuse to take investors, sell advertising, charge for hot dogs, or collect sales taxes.
Burn The Boring: • How they audited every second of a baseball game to eliminate friction (goodbye, bunts and walks).
The "Do The Opposite" Strategy: • How a philosophy inspired by P.T. Barnum & Walt Disney helped them win in the attention economy.
Metrics vs. Magic: • Why Jesse and Emily ignore traditional ROI data to focus on "Return on Fan".
 • (And why you should check the weather before proposing)

TIMESTAMPS:

 • 0:00 - Intro: The "Cirque du Soleil" of Baseball
 • 2:05 - The Meet Cute: How Jesse & Emily Met
 • 5:20 - Why They Refused VC Money (Owning 100% Equity)
 • 6:48 - The Walt Disney Lesson on Control
 • 8:45 - Leaving $50 Million on the Table
 • 12:55 - Burning the Boring: Inventing Banana Ball
 • 19:00 - Failures: The "Human Pinata" Disaster
 • 24:00 - The Strategy: "Whatever is Normal, Do The Opposite"
 • 31:00 - Making Decisions on Intuition vs. Spreadsheets
 • 42:00 - The Story That Defines "Fans First"

 • 51:40 - Rapid Fire Questions

NEWSLETTER:

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OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

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Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/

Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🍌⚾ "Burn the Boring" — Savannah Bananas Co-Founders Jesse & Emily Cole

YouTube won the rights to the Oscars… because everyone’s fighting for the Living Room TV.

New travel trend? “Cousins Vacations”... Grandparents, parents, & kids spending the inheritance.

The business of Santa Clause… we jumped in TBOY-style to Klaus Industries.

Plus, the top state for Christmas movies is... CT. 

$SNTA $CLAS $GOOG

Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): https://tickets.austintheatre.org/13274/13275 

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll 

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

NEW LISTENERS

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Linkedin (Nick): https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolas-martell/

Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/

Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

✈️ “Living Inheritance” — Multigenerational vacations. The Oscars’ YouTubification. Santa Claus’ $11T biz. +Connecticut’s Hallmark boom.

1.6% of the US economy is Gift Cards… And 1 outta 7 of you will get a Starbucks one.

The White House launched Tech Force... $200K/yr sabbatical to make the DMV run like Airbnb.

Zillow’s getting zucked by Google, so we have an idea to save Zillow… Name Your Price.

Plus, SNL did a skit about a fake Uber Eats Wrapped… but then it really happened.

$Z $GOOG $SBUX

Buy tickets to The IPO Tour (our In-Person Offering) TODAY

Austin, TX (2/25): https://tickets.austintheatre.org/13274/13275 

Arlington, VA (3/11): https://www.arlingtondrafthouse.com/shows/341317 

New York, NY (4/8): https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0000637AE43ED0C2

Los Angeles, CA (6/3): https://www.squadup.com/events/the-best-one-yet-live

Get your TBOY Yeti Doll gift here: https://tboypod.com/shop/product/economic-support-yeti-doll 

NEWSLETTER:

https://tboypod.com/newsletter 

OUR 2ND SHOW:

Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/

NEW LISTENERS

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Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/

Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ 

About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today’s top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

💳 “America’s Fave Gift” — Gift Cards’ surge. White House’s Tech Force. Zillow’s Name-Yo-Price. +Uber Eats Wrapped.

Netflix’s corona-conomy subscriber surge wasn’t a surprise — what shocked us was how much (and whether it can last). AT&T’s earnings report confirms our Snacks takeaway from a month ago: It’s facing a triple-whammy of accelerating trends. And while the restaurant industry is hit hard, Chipotle’s CEO made moves that popped the stock 12% Wednesday.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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“Chipotle is an internet-first burrito factory” — Netflix’s hoarding strategy. AT&T’s triple-whammy. Chipotle’s eLeadership.

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