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Listen closer to pop music — hear how it moves us. Hosted by musicologist Nate Sloan & songwriter Charlie Harding. From Vulture and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Switched on Pop

Two years ago, Audrey Hobert had never written a song. She was a staff writer on a Nickelodeon series and had recently moved in with her childhood friend Gracie Abrams in Los Angeles. About six months later, a phrase spoken by a heartbroken acquaintance caught their attention; Hobert and Abrams sang it back to each other and wrote a complete song that night. Within the following year, Hobert co-wrote songs including “I Love You, I’m Sorry” and “Risk” for Abrams’s number-two album The Secret of Us. When the television show she was working on was later canceled, Hobert made a hard pivot into her own music.

What happened was Who's the Clown, a debut album where every track came from Hobert's own pen. In this live conversation recorded at NYU Steinhardt's Music and Performing Arts Professions program at Chelsea Studios, Hobert traces her path from dance classes choreographed to One Direction to eight-hour writing sessions that yield two good lines on a lucky day. She explains why she can't write in front of anyone, why she refuses to repeat a chorus three times, and why the Steve Martin documentary made her open her album with the disarmingly strange declaration: "I like to touch people."

The conversation moves from craft to confession as Hobert reflects on what it means to finally be looked at, and whether the view from inside the spotlight is everything she'd imagined.

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SONGS DISCUSSED

 Gracie Abrams "I Love You, I'm Sorry"

 Gracie Abrams "That's So True"

 Smash Mouth "All Star"

 One Direction "Kiss You"

 Audrey Hobert "Wet Hair"

 Audrey Hobert "Chateau"

 Audrey Hobert "I Like to Touch People"

 Audrey Hobert "Sex in the City"

 Audrey Hobert "Sue Me"

 Audrey Hobert "Bowling Alley"

 Semisonic "Closing Time"

 Audrey Hobert "Silver Jubilee"

 Audrey Hobert "Don't Go Back to His Ass"

 Audrey Hobert "Shooting Star"

 Black Eyed Peas "I Gotta Feeling"

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Audrey Hobert says the quiet part out loud

It’s a brand new year, and what better way to ring it in than with the second annual Switched On Pop bingo? Like last year, Charlie, Nate, and Reanna polish their crystal balls and play Popstradamus, each throwing out eight outlandish pop predictions for the coming months. This time, there’s piano ballads, cover songs, and what Charlie calls the impending “death of auto-tune.” 

Get your own bingo card to play along through our ⁠Newsletter⁠!

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Songs discussed:

 The Prodigy – Firestarter

 The Chemical Brothers – Block Rockin’ Beats

 Basement Jaxx – Jump ’N Shout

 Fatboy Slim – The Rockafeller Skank

 Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars – Die With A Smile

 Benson Boone – Beautiful Things

 Post Malone, Ozzy Osbourne, Travis Scott – Take What You Want

 LCD Soundsystem – Losing My Edge

 Anamanaguchi, Hatsune Miku – Miku

 Crazy Frog – Axel F

 Hampton The Hamster – Hampsters Get the Blues

 K/DA – POP/STARS

 Madison Beer – make you mine

 Forrest Frank – YOUR WAY’S BETTER

 Tate McRae – Sports car

 Tata Taktumi, Timbaland – Pulse x Glitch

 PARTYNEXTDOOR, Drake, Yebba – DIE TRYING

 The Mighty Mighty Bosstones – The Impression That I Get

 Maddox Batson – Tears In The River

 JAY-Z – D.O.A. (Death Of Autotune)

 Adele – Someone Like You

 Bruno Mars – When I Was Your Man

 Lewis Capaldi – Someone You Loved

 Rihanna, Mikky Ekko – Stay

 Baauer – Harlem Shake

 Billie Eilish – bury a friend

 This Is Lorelei, MJ Lenderman – Dancing in the Club – MJ Lenderman Version

 WITCH – Once In A Lifetime

 MOLIY, Shenseea, Silent Addy, Skillibeng – Shake It To The Max (FLY) – Remix

 Geese – Bow Down

 Turnstile – LOOK OUT FOR ME

 Rebecca Black – Sugar Water Cyanide

 Bad Bunny – DtMF

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2026 Pop Predictions: big beat, animated avatars, and Bruno Mars

A scientist asked people to sit in a silent room for 15 minutes. Almost half of them decided to give themselves a painful electric shock instead. What is it about our brains that makes our relationship with silence so strange? And should we learn how to listen to it?

This is the third episode of the four-part Unexplainable series, The Sound Barrier. 

Links: ⁠Newsletter⁠, ⁠YouTube
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The Sound of Silence from Unexplainable

Every Christmas season, pop stars far and wide throw their Santa hats into the ring to see who has the next "All I Want for Christmas Is You," and this year is no exception. It's a yearly tradition on Switched On Pop to explore the deluge of holiday hits, and 2025 sees formidable entries to the canon from folks like Kylie Minogue, Leon Bridges, and Willie Nelson.

Links: ⁠Newsletter⁠, ⁠YouTube

Songs discussed:

 Ariana Grande – Santa Tell Me

 Kelly Clarkson – Underneath the Tree

 Cher – Christmas Is Here

 Cher – Believe

 Kylie Minogue – Hot in December

 Zach Top – For You For Christmas

 Willie Nelson – Christmas Love Song

 Mickey Guyton – Sugar Cookie

 Meghan Trainor – Gifts For Me

 The Ronettes – Sleigh Ride

 Gwen Stefani – Hot Cocoa

 Train – Let's Stay in Tonight

 Brenda Lee – Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree

 Leon Bridges, Norah Jones – This Christmas I'm Coming Home

 Elysia Biro – The Christmas Song

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Naughty or nice? The 2025 holiday music round up

From big-ticket albums by Taylor and Gaga, to a revival of the stomp-clap revival – 2025 had it all, for better and for worse. Now that the year has come to a close, it's time to take a look back at the past twelve months: what happened in the zeitgeist, what we loved listening to, and what we missed here on the show. Reanna, Charlie, and Nate talk about it all, including a look back at our predictions from January to check off boxes for Switched On Pop bingo.

Links: Newsletter, YouTube

Songs discussed:

 Taylor Swift – The Fate of Ophelia

 Alex Warren – Ordinary

 HUNTR/X – Golden

 Morgan Wallen – I'm The Problem

 Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga – Die With A Smile

 Bruno Mars – 24K Magic

 ROSÉ, Bruno Mars – APT.

 Olivia Dean – Man I Need

 Ravyn Lenae – Love Me Not

 Justin Bieber, Dijon – DEVOTION

 Bon Iver, Dijon, Flock of Dimes – Day One

 Dijon – Baby!

 Dijon – Yamaha

 CA7RIEL – SHIPEA2

 Paco Amoroso – Viuda Negra

 CA7RIEL & Paco Amoroso – EL ÚNICO - Live at NPR MUSIC's Tiny Desk

 CA7RIEL & Paco Amoroso – EL DÍA DEL AMIGO

 CA7RIEL & Paco Amoroso – #TETAS

 Breaking Rust – Walk My Walk

 Jack Black – Steve's Lava Chicken

 Saja Boys – Soda Pop

 Snocaps – Coast

 Miley Cyrus – Something Beautiful

 Bad Bunny – DtMF

 MOLIY, Shenseea, Silent Addy, Skillibeng – Shake It To The Max (FLY) - Remix

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The year that killed music (best and worst of 2025)

Grammy-winning songwriter Amy Allen joins NYU Steinhardt students live to trace her path from early pitch songs to co-writing some of the decade's defining hits. She explains why Halsey's "Without Me" needed an extended chorus but no pre-made chord loops, how Harry Styles' "Matilda" required character-driven writing for emotional safety, and what made the hypnotic groove of Tate McRae's "Greedy" demand a rare third verse. Allen also unpacks the spoken hook in Rosé and Bruno Mars' "APT" and the three-step key change powering Sabrina Carpenter's recent work. The result is a masterclass in why songs work—and why the rules worth breaking are the ones you've already learned.

SONGS DISCUSSED

 
Halsey "Without Me"

 
Harry Styles "Adore You"

 
Harry Styles "Matilda"

 
Tate McRae "greedy"

 
Rosé and Bruno Mars "ATA"

 
Sabrina Carpenter "Please, please, please"

 
Selena Gomez "Back to You"

 
Justin Timberlake "Cry Me A River" (Interpolated in "Without Me")

 
Olivia Rodrigo "Driver's License"

 
Sabrina Carpenter "Espresso"

 
Sabrina Carpenter Short and Sweet (Album)

 
Sabrina Carpenter Man's Best Friend (Album)

 
Beyoncé "Love on Top"

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Why pop songwriters break the rules (ft. Amy Allen)

Sombr went from crafting raw, reverb soaked songs alone in his Lower East Side bedroom to finding his life shifting in ways he never could have predicted across 2024 and 2025. His biggest tracks kept their imperfections even as world class players at Sound City added new layers, and a disco groove he began as a late night joke transformed into a breakout moment that changed his career’s trajectory. He explains how he writes, why distortion carries emotional weight for him, how he navigates the pull between bedroom recordings and studio polish, and what it felt like to watch childhood dreams come true on national stages. The result is a portrait of an artist whose rise has been so quick and so unlikely that even Sombr is still piecing together how it all happened.

Watch the interview on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Switched-On-Pop

Songs Discussed

 
Sombr “12 to 12”

 
Sombr “Back to Friends”

 
Sombr “Undressed”

 
Lizzo “About Damn Time”

 
Chic “Good Times”

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How Sombr’s bedroom recordings became his biggest hits

When it comes to improvisational loop jams, few have gone as viral as Marc Rebillet. From his 2020 lockdown-era video “How to Funk in Two Minutes,” which features him wearing nothing but a bathrobe, to unsuspecting New York street corners, and eventually the Coachella main stage, Rebillet has come to be known as “loop daddy” for his gifted ability to harness spontaneous funk.

On this episode of Switched On Pop, Charlie interviews Marc about his process, inspiration, and pandemic success, witnessing his flow state firsthand as he graces us with some live improvisation. 
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"It’s a Hail Mary every time" (ft. Marc Rebillet)

In June 2025, indie veterans Deerhoof scrubbed their entire catalog from the world’s dominant streaming platform. The catalyst wasn't low royalties, but Spotify co-founder Daniel Ek’s investment in AI military technology through his investment firm Prima Materia. Greg Saunier and Satomi Matsuzaki explain why they are prioritizing their ethics over exposure. They argue that the "convenience" of streaming traps us in harmful systems. They’d prefer listeners explore alternative paths to hear their music. That’s why the band premiered their latest single on Craigslist. And it’s they half jokingly say they "would rather our fans steal our music than stream our music at this point."

SONGS DISCUSSED

Deerhoof: Immigrant Song, Scarcity is Manufactured, Life is Suffering, Return of the Return of the Fire Trick Star

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Quitting Spotify (ft. Deerhoof)

This year, there were a few records that delivered less-than-optimal returns on either the Hot 100 or the Billboard 200 – and they all came from former Disney pop stars. 

Demi Lovato’s latest album peaked at number nine on the Billboard 200, where it spent one week and then fell off; Selena Gomez’s record with Benny Blanco peaked at number 2 on the Billboard 200, but no songs cracked the top 40; and Miley Cyrus’s album is her shortest charting project to date. On this episode of Switched On Pop, Nate and Reanna try to get to the bottom of the so-called “Disney curse,” and why these artists are unable to recapture their past commercial success.

Songs discussed:

 Demi Lovato – Here All Night

 Selena Gomez, benny blanco – Sunset Blvd

 Miley Cyrus – End of the World

 Demi Lovato – Sorry Not Sorry

 Demi Lovato – Heart Attack

 Demi Lovato – Skin of my Teeth

 Demi Lovato – Fast

 Kesha – JOYRIDE.

 Demi Lovato – Frequency

 Demi Lovato – Kiss

 Todd Terry, Martha Wash – Keep On Jumpin'

 Demi Lovato – Sorry To Myself

 Selena Gomez, A$AP Rocky – Good For You

 Kygo, Selena Gomez – It Ain't Me

 Selena Gomez, Marshmallo – Wolves

 Selena Gomez, benny blanco, Gracie Abrams – Call Me When You Break Up

 benny blanco, Selena Gomez, J Balvin, Tainy – I Can't Get Enough

 J Balvin, Willy William – Mi Gente

 Selena Gomez, benny blanco – Bluest Flame

 Selena Gomez, benny blanco, The Marías – Ojos Tristes

 Miley Cyrus, Big Sean – Love Money Party

 Miley Cyrus – Flowers

 Miley Cyrus – Easy Lover

 Miley Cyrus, Naomi Campbell – Every Girl You've Ever Loved

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Is there a Disney curse?: Demi, Selena, and Miley

In hip-hop, what draws us to an artist is not just the content of their lyrics but how they deliver them. Along with tapping your foot to the rhythm, understanding something called “flow” is essential to understanding hip-hop as a whole.

In this episode of Switched On Pop, we interview genre icon DJ Jazzy Jeff on the concept of flow: what it is, how it applies to all music – not just hip-hop – and how any rapper’s flow can be analyzed under his guidelines. Taking his word for it, we put our magnifying glasses on to look at the bars of our favorite rappers, from Megan thee Stallion to Babytron.

Songs Discussed:

The Notorious B.I.G. - Big Poppa

Mary J. Blige - Family Affair

A Tribe Called Quest - The Hop

Danger Mouse, Black Thought - Aquamarine

BabyTron - Crocs & Wock’ 

RXKNephew - Take Three

JID - Better Days (feat. Johnta Austin)

Megan Thee Stallion - Not Nice

Megan Thee Stallion - Cocky Af

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The Art of Flow (with DJ Jazzy Jeff) ICYMI

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