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Vulture

A podcast all about the making and meaning of popular music. Musicologist Nate Sloan & songwriter Charlie Harding pull back the curtain on how pop hits work magic on our ears & our culture. From Vulture and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Switched on Pop

Everyone should be in a band at some point—and Finneas and Ashe prove why. The Grammy-winning producer and rising singer-songwriter discuss how their friendship evolved into The Favors, a new band debuting their album The Dream on September 19th, 2025. We explore what it means to create as a band, how stepping back from confessional songwriting freed them creatively, and why sometimes the best way forward is embracing older ways of making music.

SONGS DISCUSSED

 The Favors - "The Little Mess You Made"

 Ashe - "Moral of the Story"

 Ashe & Finneas - "Till Forever Falls Apart"

 Billie Eilish - "What Was I Made For?"

 The Favors - "Home Sweet Home"

 The Favors - "The Dream"

 The Favors - "Lake George"

 Billie Eilish - "bad guy"

 Simon and Garfunkel - "Old Friends"

 Simon and Garfunkel - "The Only Living Boy in New York"

 Simon and Garfunkel - "So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright"

 Simon and Garfunkel - "America"

 Rick Springfield - "Jessie's Girl"

 The Favors - "David's Brother"

 The Favors - "The Hudson"

 Fleetwood Mac - "Landslide"

 Fleetwood Mac - "Dreams"

 Kate Bush - "Running Up That Hill"

 Olivia Rodrigo - "drivers license"

 Sabrina Carpenter - "emails i can't send"

 Miley Cyrus - "Flowers"

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Why everyone should be in a band (ft. Finneas and Ashe)

Fleetwood Mac has had a phenomenal resurgence in recent years, from TikTok viral fame to Broadway plays and streaming TV series inspired by the band. Their growing fandom among a new generation has created demand for the long out-of-print album Buckingham Nicks, the 1973 album by Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks recorded before they joined Fleetwood Mac. The vinyl record is a collector's item, as this pre-band album helped secure the duo their spot in Fleetwood Mac. Now after four decades, on September 19th, the album is being reissued by Rhino Records. A few months back we looked at the legacy of Fleetwood Mac and spoke with Andrew Bird and Madison Cunningham about their reinterpretation of the beloved Buckingham Nicks. Given the timing, we want to share that episode with you now to help you get ready for the re-release of this adored album. I hope you enjoy it.
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Fleetwood Mac's Missing Link Album Returns After 50 Years

You've heard those shimmering disco strings in Miley Cyrus's "Flowers," the cinematic arrangements on Phoebe Bridgers' Punisher, and the orchestral flourishes across Taylor Swift's catalog, but you probably didn't know they're all the work of one person: Rob Moose. The violinist and multi-instrumentalist has contributed to nearly 1,000 albums, quietly becoming pop music's most prolific string architect. In this conversation, Moose reveals how he translates classical training into contemporary pop language, working with everyone from Sufjan Stevens to Bon Iver to create arrangements that feel both intimate and epic. We dive into his process, explore how he's reshaped what strings can do in popular music, and uncover the craft behind those arrangements you can't get out of your head.

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Songs Discussed

 
Miley Cyrus “Flowers”

 
Phoebe Bridgers “Punisher”

 
Phoebe Bridgers Copycat Killer (EP, includes re-arranged versions of “Punisher,” “Kyoto,” “Savior Complex,” “Chinese Satellite”)

 
Sufjan Stevens “Chicago”

 
Bon Iver “Everything Is Peaceful Love”

 
RINI “Miracle”

 
Bon Iver “Short Story”

 
Bon Iver “Speyside”

 
Phoebe Bridgers “Chinese Satellite”

 
Phoebe Bridgers “Savior Complex”

 
Phoebe Bridgers “Kyoto”

 
Lizzy McAlpine “Ceilings”

 
Gracie Abrams “I Love You, I’m Sorry”

 
Rob Moose “I Bend But Never Break” ft Brittany Howard

 
Alabama Shakes “Sound & Color”

 
Taylor Swift “Hoax”

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The classical rebel who infiltrated pop music

The conversation around the new music this summer has been a dour one. Some of the biggest songs in the country right now are downtempo stomp-clap anthems and wistful Cranberries pastiche. Even on this very show, Nate and Charlie have asked: where's the fun? 

As it turns out, the party (as always) is happening in hip-hop, led by a formidable influence: Pharrell.. On this episode of Switched On Pop, producer Reanna and engineer Brandon join Charlie for a tour through rap music's latest sweaty offerings, including the new album by Tyler, the Creator, Clipse's return to music, and catchphrase worthy singles by Cardi B, PLUTO, and Drake.

Songs discussed:

 Tyler, The Creator, Pharrell Williams – Big Poe

 Nelly – Hot in Herre

 Noreaga – Superthug

 Kelis – Milkshake

 Tyler, The Creator, Cole Alexander – Deathcamp

 N.E.R.D. – Rockstar

 Tyler, The Creator – Ring Ring Ring

 Tyler, The Creator, Frank Ocean, Steve Lacy – 911 / Mr. Lonely

 Tyler, The Creator – I THINK

 Mr. Fingers – Mystery of Love

 Michael Jackson – Off the Wall

 N.E.R.D., Nelly Furtado – Hot-n-Fun

 N.E.R.D. – Things Are Getting Better

 Pharrell, Nelly – Baby

 Clipse – So Be It

 Clipse – Virginia

 Clipse – Intro

 Talal Madah – Maza Akoulou

 Beastie Boys – Paul Revere

 Clipse – Ace Trumpets

 Clipse, John Legend, Voices of Fire – The Birds Don't Sing

 Cardi B – Outside

 Cardi B – Bodak Yellow

 Cardi B, Bad Bunny, J Balvin – I Like It

 Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion – WAP

 Cardi B – Up

 PLUTO, YK Niece – WHIM WHAMIEE

 OJ Da Juiceman, Gucci Mane – Make tha Trap Say Aye

 Roxanne Shante – Roxanne's Revenge

 Drake, Central Cee – Which One?

 Drake, Rihanna – Too Good

 Rihanna, Drake – Work

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All roads lead to Pharrell: Tyler, Clipse, and Cardi

Why do bad lyrics happen to good people? From "suckin' on a chili dog" to "making love to his tonic and gin," even the biggest hits from our favorite artists can feature lyrical turns that make us feel quizzical, offended, or even downright nauseated. With the help of Sam Sanders, brilliant host of The Sam Sanders Show, we plumb the depths of the worst pop lyrics of all time—culled from hundreds of submissions form Switched on Pop listeners—to try categorize, historicize, and, perhaps, celebrate the art of the lyrical faux pas.

Follow Sam on Instagram and check out The Sam Sanders Show for more hot takes on entertainment and culture. We recommend you start here.

Songs Discussed

Benson Boone - Mystical Magical 

Velvet Sundown - Rebel Shout

Live - Lightning Crashes

Captain and Tennille - Muskrat Love

John Mellencamp - Jack and Diane 

Fergie - Big Girls Don't Cry, London Bridge

Katy Perry - Firework

Billy Joel - Piano Man

Richard Harris - MacArthur Park

Imagine Dragons - Sharks

Des'ree - Life, You Gotta Be

One Direction - Don't Forget Where You Belong, Little Things

Taylor Swift - Willow, Anti Hero, I Hate it Here, ME!

Train - Hey Soul Sister, Meet Virginia, Drops of Jupiter
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A brief history of terrible lyrics (with Sam Sanders)

Every music critic seems to agree: 2025 has no true song of summer. Last August, Teddy Swims’s “Lose Control” dominated the charts. This year…Teddy Swims’s “Lose Control” dominates the charts. What’s going on? Why is there no new summer song to unite us in collective listening, and will there ever be again? 

Elamin Abdelmahmoud, host of the CBC’s daily culture podcast Commotion, joins Nate and Charlie to discuss the dearth of seasonal bops, and suggest some possible contenders for sleeper summer hits, from the soundtrack of the anime film KPop Demon Hunters to the latest from the Haim sisters. Despite the moribund status of the Hot 100, there is no shortage of great music to be found in the dog days of summer if you’re willing to listen closely.

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Check out more music commentary from Elamin and Commotion, like their dive into Bruce Springsteen’s unreleased albums, or their dissection of Bieber’s latest with our very own Reanna Cruz.

Songs Discussed

 HUNTR/X, EJAE, AUDREY NUNA - Golden 

 Tyler Childers - Eatin’ Big Time

 Haim - Relationships

 Ravyn Lenae - Love Me Not

 Amber Mark - Sweet Seratonin

 Sly and the Family Stone - Thank You (Falettin Me Be Mice Elf)

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Summer Bummer (with Commotion’s Elamin Abdelmahmoud)

Justin Bieber is back with his seventh studio album: the aptly-titled SWAG. The lo-fi, reverb-laden record is a remarkably candid look inside the world of Bieber, using the palette of both underground pop and 90's R&B to accentuate lyrics about his wife, his struggles, and his "standing on business." 

Notably, it's his first album post-split with manager Scooter Braun, and the first where Bieber has been in full artistic control. On this episode of Switched On Pop, we tap into the SWAG mindset and attempt to understand Bieber's newfound vision, what it's saying, and ultimately, if it even still matters.

Songs discussed:

 Justin Bieber – DAISIES

 Justin Bieber, Daniel Caesar, Giveon – Peaches

 Justin Bieber, Sexyy Red – SWEET SPOT

 The Kid LAROI, Justin Bieber – STAY 

 Justin Bieber, Druski – STANDING ON BUSINESS

 Justin Bieber – ALL I CAN TAKE

 Peter Gabriel – In Your Eyes

 Justin Bieber – GO BABY

 Justin Bieber – TOO LONG

 Justin Bieber, Gunna – WAY IT IS

 Justin Bieber, Dominic Fike – Die For You

 Justin Bieber, Burna Boy – Loved By You

 Justin Bieber, Lil B – DADZ LOVE

 Mk.gee – Alesis

 Mk.gee – Are You Looking Up

 Dijon – The Dress

 Justin Bieber – WALKING AWAY

 Haim – Don't Wanna

 Justin Bieber, Dijon – DEVOTION

 Justin Bieber – One Less Lonely Girl

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Justin Bieber's Lo-fi Bedroom Swag

What if the entire sound of modern podcasting can be traced back to a single Grateful Dead song uploaded in 2001? We uncover the musical lineage that connects NPR's classical gravitas to dubstep wobbles, from the very first RSS feed experiment to the mysterious masked composer who's scored over 200 podcast themes and shaped what millions of people hear when they hit play. This deep dive reveals how podcast music evolved from classical public radio strings into today's signature blend of plinking pianos, breakbeats, and irreverent sampling—plus an exclusive interview with the enigmatic Breakmaster Cylinder, the "Hans Zimmer of podcasting" who's been hiding behind a robot helmet for over a decade.

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SONGS DISCUSSED

 Grateful Dead "Truckin'"

 Adam Curry "Daily Source Code" theme

 NPR "All Things Considered" theme

 Don Voegeli "All Things Considered" original theme (1971)

 Don Voegeli "All Things Considered" jazz funk version (1976)

 NPR "All Things Considered" orchestral version (1983/1995)

 The Daily theme

 WNYC "On the Media" theme by Ben Allison "Disposable Genius"

 Christopher Lydon "Radio Open Source" theme by Dafnis Prieto

 Disparition "The Ballad of Fiedler and Mundt," (Welcome to Night Vale theme)

 Serial theme

 Joe Rogan Experience theme

 Call Her Daddy theme

 Snap Judgment theme

 The Breakfast Club theme

 WTF with Marc Maron theme by John Montagna "Lock the Gate"

 Reply All theme by Breakmaster Cylinder

 Breakmaster Cylinder "Outside In" theme

 Breakmaster Cylinder "Bird Note" (Claire de Lune with loon calls)

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How podcasting got its sound ft. Breakmaster Cylinder

The robots have arrived, and they're making protest songs about boots on the ground. When an AI band called The Velvet Sundown fooled over a million Spotify listeners with their psychedelic folk anthems, it raised an unsettling question: have the machines gotten so good we can no longer hear the difference? Charlie puts Nate to the test with a game of "AI or Human?" featuring Wu-Tang deepfakes, phantom instruments, and songs that sound like Dire Straits and Tom Petty had a baby. Along the way, they uncover the five telltale signs that expose artificial music, from juvenile rhyming patterns to voices that shapeshift between tracks. But here's the terrifying part: just six months ago, AI music was unlistenable chaos. Now it's disturbingly competent. And it's only getting better.

Songs Discussed

 The Velvet Sundown - "Dust on the Wind"

 Post Malone - "Chemical"

 Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - "Ohio"

 The Velvet Sundown - "Freedom Song"

 Kansas - "Dust in the Wind"

 The Animals - "House of the Rising Sun"

 Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Have You Ever Seen the Rain?"

 The Velvet Sundown - "Where War Remains"

 Pink Floyd - "Wish You Were Here"

 The Velvet Sundown - "Ash and Velvet"

 Buffalo Springfield - "For What It's Worth"

 The Velvet Sundown - "For the Ones We Couldn't Keep"

 The Velvet Sundown - "Mirrors in the Smoke"

 Pink Floyd - "Breathe"

 The Velvet Sundown - "Rebel Shout"

 The Velvet Sundown - "Smoke in Silence"

 The Velvet Sundown - "Marching Shadows"

 The Velvet Sundown - "As the Silence Falls"

 The Velvet Sundown - "How Did This Go Wrong?"

 Hip Hop Intelligence - "Bar Fight" (AI Wu-Tang)

 Hip Hop Intelligence - "Party with Me" (AI Eminem)

 Temple of the Acid Fist Records - "Woman Gone Blues" (AI)

 "Echoes of Twilight" (AI student example)

 The Velvet Underground - "Sweet Jane"

 "Whispers of Chaos" (Charlie's AI generation)

 Mungo Jerry - "In the Summertime"

 Almost Vinyl - "Phil Wildo's Door to Door Dildos" (AI)

 Joey Two Legs - "I Shouldn't Have Done That" (hybrid)

 Bill Evans AI track (untitled, by Nobody in the Computer)

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Is that new song you like AI? Here’s how you can tell

In which we explore the unlikely rise, and surprising backlash against, one Benson Boone.
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Fleetwood Mac's Missing Link Album Returns After 50 Years

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