Interviews with: Texas Sen. Roland Gutierrez, Sen. Dick Durbin, Rep. Mike Turner, Rep. Jim Himes

First, in a horrifying new normal, eight people were killed in a Texas shopping mall shooting rampage on Saturday. Jake interviews Texas State Sen. Roland Gutierrez, who represents Uvalde, for his reaction to the mass shooting, his efforts to change gun laws, and to answer what will it take to get American leaders to take action.

Next, amid revelations of hidden payments to Supreme Court Justice Thomas's family, Jake speaks with Senate Judiciary Chairman Sen. Dick Durbin about calls for Supreme Court ethics reform. Sen. Durbin also answers if Sen. Diane Feinstein’s health condition is undermining Democrats’ ability to govern.

After, Jake leads a bipartisan joint interview with Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) and House Intelligence Committee ranking member Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) on their meetings with leadership in Israel, Jordan, and Egypt. They also discuss Iran’s efforts to build a nuclear weapon, China’s more active role in the Middle East than the U.S., and whether a U.S. debt default would be a national security threat.

Then, the panel debates if bipartisan support exists for gun reform and discuss a recent poll on whether President Biden and former President Trump have the mental sharpness to be president. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices