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In humanity's next giant leap, astronauts are heading back to the Moon for the first time in more than 50 years.

We'll bring you daily Artemis II mission updates, from lift-off to splashdown, and answer your questions about life as an astronaut, the science of spaceflight, and plans to venture beyond the Moon.

The Challenger Legacy (Season 5) 

In January 1986, the Challenger space shuttle disintegrated 73 seconds after lift-off. This is the story of how the tragedy unfolded, the engineers who tried to stop it — and the enduring consequences for humanity's exploration of space. 

Artificial Evolution (Season 4): Three decades ago, Dolly the Sheep became the first ever cloned mammal. Nearly 30 years later, genetic technology has reshaped the world around us. Environment reporter Peter de Kruijff explores what's changed, where we are headed, and whether we're okay with it.

Brain Rot (Season 3): How does being chronically online affect our brains? Technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre explores the wildest ways people are using tech — from falling in love with AI companions to data-dumping a life into a language model — and the big questions about our own screen use.

Cooked (Season 2): Why do some studies show ice cream is good for you? Why do some people say they feel good going carnivore, and do we really need as many electrolytes as the internet tells us? Food and nutrition scientist Dr Emma Beckett cuts through these confusing findings to explain how nutrition science works.

AI Overlords (Season 1): AI didn't come from nowhere, and its development hasn't been a smooth, straight line — it's been rife with drama, conflict and disagreement. Technology reporter James Purtill looks at where AI came from, who controls it and where it's heading.

Science Friction

It’s been a big day for the Artemis II astronauts. They broke a 56-year record for the furthest distance humans have travelled from Earth, successfully looped around the Moon, and capped off the flyby with a solar eclipse. 

Belinda and Jacinta break down what the crew saw as they gazed upon the Moon’s far side and why they lost contact with mission control for 40 minutes. 

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler about the Artemis II mission to the moon, search ‘Science Friction: Artemis Explained podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au.

Credits:

 • Presenters: Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler
 • Senior Producer: Shelby Traynor
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Wurundjeri peoples.

07 | Artemis Explained: Moon flyby success

We’re at the pointy end of the Artemis II mission now: It’s the eve of the lunar flyby. 

With the four astronauts now looped into the Moon’s gravitational clutches, they’ll have an intense few hours observing the lunar surface, taking photos, and breaking Apollo 13’s record for humans furthest from Earth. 

Artemis Explained is a daily podcast from ABC Radio National. From lift-off to splashdown, we'll bring you daily Artemis II mission updates and answer your questions about life as an astronaut, the science of spaceflight, and plans to venture beyond the Moon.

If you have a question about the Artemis mission you'd like Belinda and Jacinta to answer in a future episode, email sciencefriction@abc.net.au

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler about the Artemis II mission to the moon, search ‘Science Friction: Artemis Explained podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au.

Credits:

 • Presenters: Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler
 • Senior Producer: Shelby Traynor
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Wurundjeri peoples.

06 | Artemis Explained: Moon joy

Alongside taking snaps of Earth, chatting with mission control and fixing the toilet, the Artemis II astronauts are also taking part in all kinds of scientific research. So what experiments are running on the Orion capsule, and what do Australian lasers have to do with anything? 

Artemis Explained is a daily podcast from ABC Radio National. From lift-off to splashdown, we'll bring you daily Artemis II mission updates and answer your questions about life as an astronaut, the science of spaceflight, and plans to venture beyond the Moon.

If you have a question about the Artemis mission you'd like Belinda and Jacinta to answer in a future episode, email sciencefriction@abc.net.au

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler about the Artemis II mission to the moon, search ‘Science Friction: Artemis Explained podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au

Credits:

 • Presenters: Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler
 • Senior Producer: Shelby Traynor
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Wurundjeri peoples.

05 | Artemis Explained: Science in space

The Artemis II astronauts have passed the halfway point between Earth and the Moon, and still have around another day's travel time before they approach their lunar flyby. 

So what do they get up to while they’re hurtling through space? And how do astronauts go about their daily routine in a cramped Orion capsule?

Artemis Explained is a daily podcast from ABC Radio National. From lift-off to splashdown, we'll bring you daily Artemis II mission updates and answer your questions about life as an astronaut, the science of spaceflight, and plans to venture beyond the Moon.

If you have a question about the Artemis mission you'd like Belinda and Jacinta to answer in a future episode, email sciencefriction@abc.net.au

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler about the Artemis II mission to the moon, search ‘Science Friction: Artemis Explained podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au.

Credits:

 • Presenters: Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler
 • Senior Producer: Shelby Traynor
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Wurundjeri peoples.

04 | Artemis Explained: Halfway to the Moon

Just over a day after blasting off, four astronauts encased in an Orion capsule have veered away from Earth and are now on course to fly around the Moon.

Bel and Jacinta unpack what the "trans-lunar injection" manoeuvre involved, and take a look at some of the highly relatable challenges faced by the astronauts during their first day in space. Because when you're flying towards the Moon, email problems should be the last thing on your mind.

Artemis Explained is a daily podcast from ABC Radio National. From lift-off to splashdown, we'll bring you daily Artemis II mission updates and answer your questions about life as an astronaut, the science of spaceflight, and plans to venture beyond the Moon.

If you have a question about the Artemis mission you'd like Belinda and Jacinta to answer in a future episode, email sciencefriction@abc.net.au

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler about the Artemis II mission to the moon, search ‘Science Friction: Artemis Explained podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au.

Credits:

 • Presenters: Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler
 • Senior Producer: Shelby Traynor
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Wurundjeri peoples.

03 | Artemis Explained: No turning back

And we have lift off!

Four astronauts successfully blasted off from the Kennedy Space Center and have started their journey to the Moon.

But it wouldn't be a Moon launch without a couple of hiccups. We walk through what went down (and up!).

Artemis Explained is a daily podcast from ABC Radio National.

From lift-off to splashdown, we'll bring you daily Artemis II mission updates and answer your questions about life as an astronaut, the science of spaceflight, and plans to venture beyond the Moon.

If you have a question about the Artemis mission you'd like Belinda and Jacinta to answer in a future episode, email sciencefriction@abc.net.au

The new moonshot

In pictures: Artemis II NASA’s first mission to the Moon in decades

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler about the Artemis II mission to the moon, search ‘Science Friction: Artemis Explained podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au.

Credits:

 • Presenters: Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler
 • Senior Producer: Shelby Traynor
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Wurundjeri peoples.

02 | Artemis Explained: Lift off

For the first time in 50 years, humanity is on the cusp of returning to the Moon, with the Artemis II lunar flyby mission set to launch in the coming days.

But if we've already been to the Moon, why bother going back now? And who will be on board when the spacecraft blasts off?

Welcome to the first episode of Artemis Explained. From lift-off to splashdown, we'll bring you daily Artemis II mission updates and answer your questions about life as an astronaut, the science of spaceflight, and plans to venture beyond the Moon.

If you have a question about the Artemis mission you'd like Belinda and Jacinta to answer in a future episode, email sciencefriction@abc.net.au

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler about the Artemis II mission to the moon, search ‘Science Friction: Artemis Explained podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Credits:

 • Presenters: Belinda Smith and Jacinta Bowler
 • Senior Producer: Shelby Traynor
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove

This episode was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Wurundjeri peoples.

01 | Artemis Explained: Before the launch

What's the point of space exploration? Would you fly on a space shuttle? How did they fix the joints after the Challenger disaster? 

For this special bonus episode of The Challenger Legacy, hosts Dr Karl Kruszelnicki and Fiona Pepper answer your questions.

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Fiona Pepper and Dr Karl Kruszelnicki about the legacy the 1986 Challenger space shuttle disaster left on culture, space exploration and high-risk decision making, search ‘Science Friction: The Challenger Legacy podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au.

Guests:

Peter KingCorrespondent for CBS News Radio

Wendy Whitman CobbSpace policy expert at the School of Advanced Air and Space Studies

Tony AntonelliRetired NASA astronaut

Credits:

 • Presenters: Fiona Pepper and Karl Kruszelnicki
 • Reporter: Fiona Pepper
 • Senior Producer: James Bullen
 • Series Producer: Jonathan Webb
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove
 • Sound Engineer: Emrys Cronin

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Menang Noongar peoples.

BONUS | The Challenger Legacy: Q&A

NASA is gearing up for the Artemis II mission — where it will send astronauts around the moon for the first time in 50 years. While space exploration is never without risk, a retired astronaut is warning that NASA is "playing Russian roulette" with the lives of the crew. 

So have lessons been learnt from the Challenger and Columbia disasters?

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Fiona Pepper and Dr Karl Kruszelnicki about the legacy the 1986 Challenger space shuttle disaster left on culture, space exploration and high-risk decision making, search ‘Science Friction: The Challenger Legacy podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Get in touch with us: sciencefriction@abc.net.au.

Guests:

Peter KingCorrespondent for CBS News Radio

Wendy Whitman CobbSpace policy expert at the School of Advanced Air and Space Studies

Charlie CamardaRetired NASA research engineer and astronaut

Howard BerkesFormer investigative reporter, NPR

Leslie EbelingDaughter, Bob Ebeling

Brian RussellFormer engineer, Morton Thiokol

Credits:

 • Presenters: Fiona Pepper and Karl Kruszelnicki
 • Reporter: Fiona Pepper
 • Senior Producer: James Bullen
 • Series Producer: Jonathan Webb
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove
 • Sound Engineer: Simon Branthwaite
 • Archives Research: Lisa Chidlow, Michael Osmond

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Menang Noongar peoples.

05 | The Challenger Legacy: Apollo on Steroids

In the wake of twin disasters two decades apart, how do we make sense of why they happened?

In episode four, we find out what happened on the very first flight after Columbia — and ask whether NASA changed at all.

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Fiona Pepper and Dr Karl Kruszelnicki about the legacy the 1986 Challenger space shuttle disaster left on culture, space exploration and high-risk decision making, search ‘Science Friction: The Challenger Legacy podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Guests:

Mike CiannilliFormer Columbia integration systems engineer, NASA

Miles O'BrienAerospace correspondent, CNN

Adam HigginbothamAuthor, Challenger: A True Story of Heroism and Disaster on the Edge of Space

Mark MaierDistinguished professor of leadership, Chapman University, California

Eileen CollinsFormer astronaut; commander, STS-114

Credits:

 • Presenters: Fiona Pepper and Karl Kruszelnicki
 • Reporter: Fiona Pepper
 • Senior Producer: James Bullen
 • Series Producer: Jonathan Webb
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove
 • Sound Engineer: Tim Jenkins
 • Archives Research: Lisa Chidlow, Michael Osmond

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Menang Noongar peoples.

04 | The Challenger Legacy: The Devil You Know

In a conference room in Utah, space shuttle Challenger engineers watch in horror as it explodes live on TV.

These engineers are more than 3,000 kilometres from the launch site - but they're about to become the centre of this story.

Because they had tried to stop the launch from happening in the first place.

To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Fiona Pepper and Dr Karl Kruszelnicki about the legacy the 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster left on culture, space exploration and high-risk decision making, search ‘Science Friction: The Challenger Legacy podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.

Guests:

Leslie EbelingDaughter, Bob Ebeling

Brian RussellFormer engineer, Morton Thiokol

Adam HigginbothamAuthor, Challenger: A True Story of Heroism and Disaster on the Edge of Space

Howard BerkesFormer investigative reporter, NPR

Credits:

 • Presenters: Fiona Pepper and Karl Kruszelnicki
 • Reporter: Fiona Pepper
 • Senior Producer: James Bullen
 • Series Producer: Jonathan Webb
 • Executive Producer: Petria Ladgrove
 • Sound Engineer: Tim Jenkins
 • Archives Research: Lisa Chidlow, Michael Osmond
 • Archive Credits: The Footage Company/Nine Network Australia, National Public Radio (NPR).

This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Menang Noongar peoples.

02 | The Challenger Legacy: Five Lepers

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