BuzzFeed reporter and Nieman fellow Joe Bernstein talks about his Harper's cover story on "Big Disinfo," the rise of a new industry dedicated to combating disinformation. "What I wanted to push back against is a kind of a dominant framing in the media... that implies or outright says that lies and propaganda on social media, specifically on Facebook, on YouTube, on Twitter, are measurably responsible for the deep issues in American society," he says. He also identifies ways forward for the study and coverage of disinformation. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices