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Martin Willis

Podcast UFO is your destination for compelling audio programs focused on UFOs, close encounters, and the people behind the phenomena. Hear firsthand accounts from eyewitnesses, insights from experts, and discussions on sightings, government secrecy, and more. Want to get involved? Visit our website to learn how to join the conversation. Starting September 2025, we’ll be streaming live on YouTube every Tuesday at 9:00 PM ET and Thursday at 8:00 PM ET. Tune in and be part of the journey!

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Martin Willis welcomes Christopher Sharp of Liberation Times, and formerly the Daily Mail, for a wide-ranging conversation on UFO/UAP journalism, disclosure, secrecy, and why this subject is finally being taken seriously by more mainstream reporters. Because of the UK–U.S. time difference, this interview was pre-recorded, but the discussion is timely and deeply relevant to where the topic stands today. Christopher talks about how his interest in the phenomenon evolved, from childhood curiosity to serious investigative reporting, and explains why the post-2017 landscape changed everything for journalists and the public alike. He and Martin also explore the psychology behind why some people remain completely uninterested in the subject, while others become intensely engaged once they begin looking at the evidence. The conversation also dives into some of the biggest current issues in the field: alleged drone incursions, secrecy surrounding retrieval programs, possible reverse-engineering efforts, the role of the U.S. military and intelligence community, and why so much of the disclosure story appears centered in the United States. Christopher shares his perspective on recent reporting involving Patuxent River, James Clapper, Neal McCasland, and the broader push toward government transparency. This is an in-depth and thought-provoking interview about where the UFO/UAP topic may be heading next, what real disclosure could look like, and why bipartisan interest in Washington may matter more than ever. Visit Liberation Times for Christopher Sharp’s reporting, and be sure to subscribe to Podcast UFO for more interviews and discussions on the mystery.
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THIS WEEK'S BLOG: Timothy Green Beckley’s UFO Review

737. Christopher Sharp

The cattle mutilation mystery and its association with UFO activity didn’t get the attention of researcher investigators until the 1970s. There is an article on page 2 of the March 1975 APRO Bulletin, headlined “More on Mutilations,” discussing the findings of APRO Field Investigators Bill Pitt, Lee Spiegel, and Kevin Randle. It was the opinion of APRO at the time that “no satisfactory evidence has emerged which links UFOs to mutilated animals.” The first mutilation to get the public’s attention was that of a horse named Snippy found by its owners in the San Luis Valley of Colorado on September 8, 1967. Shortly after that, in his article (page 8 of the pdf) in the July/August 1968 Flying Saucer Review headlined “West Virginia’s Enigmatic Bird,” John Keel mentions that cow and horse mutilations are “now common” in the midst of sightings of the Mothman and UFOs in the area around Point Pleasant. However, there is a report far earlier than this that, by most accounts, appeared in the April 23, 1897, Yates Center Farmer’s Advocate. This involves a mystery airship caught in the act of abducting a cow right in front of prominent Woodson County, Kansas, citizen Alexander Hamilton (not the one on the 20-dollar bill). While the Advocate article remains elusive, Redditt user Remseey2907 found an article in what appears to be the Globe Democrat that includes the details of and references the Advocate article. Read more →

AudioBlog: An 1897 Cattle Mutilation

Martin Willis and co-host UFO Jack welcome author and musician Mike Fiorito to discuss the intriguing relationship between music, consciousness, and the UFO phenomenon. Fiorito suggests that music may be a universal form of communication, pointing to birdsong and the presence of music in every human culture as evidence that intelligent life naturally expresses itself through sound. The conversation explores how music creates wordless connections between people, whether through performing, dancing, or shared listening. Fiorito describes music as a “thought form” that carries cultural history and emotional depth, often communicating ideas and feelings that language cannot easily express. The discussion then turns to the idea of sound as a kind of technology of consciousness. Fiorito explains how frequencies, rhythm, and musical immersion can shift awareness into altered or meditative states, potentially opening perception to deeper layers of reality where anomalous experiences sometimes occur. Referencing figures like Sun Ra and broader cultural traditions that treat musicians as healers, the conversation suggests that music may help bypass the rational mind and access a more expansive sense of awareness. While the UFO mystery remains unresolved, the guests conclude that music offers a powerful pathway into curiosity, wonder, and a deeper exploration of both inner and outer worlds..

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736. Mike Fiorito, Music is the Language of the Cosmos

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear On October 7, 1977, Prime Minister of Grenada Sir Eric Gairy gave a 90-minute speech during the 32nd session of the General Assembly of the United Nations urging the organization to create an agency that would monitor UFOs. This led to a presentation and panel discussion over one year later, organized and produced by Lee Speigel, that included Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Dr. Jacques Vallée, and Col. Gordon Cooper. While this was considered a high point at the time in terms of gaining respectability for the UFO Waldheim Meeting. Credit: ICUFON Archives subject (Grenada issued a set of stamps in 1978 commemorating Gairy’s efforts) and still is today, not everyone was happy about it, particularly the directors of the Scientific Bureau of Investigation, formed in January of 1979. Read more →

AudioBlog: The U.N., UFOs, ICUFON, and SBI

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear For many people growing up in the 1970s (of which this writer is one), seeing a UFO documentary was their first in-depth look into the subject. These films often came along with books tied in, and major publishers such as Bantam were getting onboard. More and more people were willing to accept the idea that UFOs were worthy of serious consideration, and this meant that more and more people were willing to spend money on movies and books covering the subject. What had formerly been mostly confined to a subculture of enthusiasts, was now becoming a somewhat profitable entertainment industry. Indeed, it may come as a surprise to some readers, but between the summer of the saucers in 1947, and 1968, there were only two documentaries made in the midst of all the science fiction saucer films that became popular starting in the 1950s.The beginning of the 1970s wave of UFO documentaries can be traced back to the 1968 book Erinnerungen an die Zukunft (Memories of the Future) by Erich von Däniken published by Econ-Verlag in West Germany. The book not only whetted the public’s appetite for UFOs and aliens (especially ancient ones), but opened up the doors for all things strange and mysterious, including Bigfoot, the Bermuda Triangle, ghosts, and lake monsters. Read more →

AudioBlog: Chariots of the Gods-Its Beginning and Aftermath

Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman, creators of NBC’s Dark Skies, join Podcast UFO to discuss the strange real-life event that sparked their new investigative podcast, Sound, Light & Frequency. They share how their personal interest in UFOs began (including Bryce’s childhood discovery of the McMinnville “Trent Farm” photos, and Brent’s startling “aliens are real” disclosure from a Reagan-era family friend), plus Brent’s more recent UFO-style sighting during the Perseid meteor shower on Vancouver Island, tiny star-like lights moving erratically and seeming to drop into the ocean. The conversation turns to why witnesses stay silent, including stories Bryce heard from strangers after Dark Skies aired, schoolyard sightings with dozens of witnesses that never made the news, followed by families insisting: “don’t ever talk about it.” From there, Bryce and Brent explain the premise of Sound, Light & Frequency: an active investigation into whether Hollywood has been part of a long “chicken-and-egg” feedback loop with UFO culture, did filmmakers invent ideas that later entered ufology, or were real narratives quietly fed into film and TV? They preview their central claim: a mysterious “Man in Black”-type figure crashed their Dark Skies premiere party in the 1990s, claimed ties to the Office of Naval Intelligence, and allegedly offered a “deal” connected to a slow-drip disclosure program, truth inserted into fiction. They won’t fully reveal the details here (they insist listeners start with Episode 1), but they confirm follow-up meetings occurred and that the encounter never stopped haunting them. They also reveal how Dark Skies was sold with an elaborate “top secret” style series bible mapping a multi-season timeline, then the eerie twist: the exact “cover of fiction to tell truth” concept they pitched to networks later appeared to boomerang back on them in real life. The episode closes with their plan to examine iconic UFO films and series (Close Encounters, Contact, The Abyss, The X-Files, V, and more), vet tips from insiders, and look for patterns, without claiming they already have the answers.
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THIS WEEK'S BLOG BY CHARLES LEAR: MR X

735. Bryce Zabel & Brent Friedman

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 
Brazil has a history of official UFO investigation almost as long as that of the United States. However, it has an official policy on disclosure that predates the U.S.’s by more than a decade. In 1954, the Brazilian Air Force started The First Confidential Inquiry into Unidentified Aerial Objects in response to the first major flap in that country. In 1969, the Sistema de Investigação de Objetos Aéreos Não Identificados (SIOANI) was established, and nearly 100 detailed case files were accumulated up until its termination in 1972. After this, in 1977, in response to reports of injuries and deaths as a result of UFO encounters in the area of Pará (mainly in Colores) Operação Prato was authorized by Colonel Protásio Lopes de Oliveira. This resulted in more than 2000 photos, 16 hours of film, and a 179-page report. The First Confidential Inquiry, SIOANI and Operação Prato files were classified for decades, but thanks to a freedom of information campaign begun in April of 2004 by the Brazilian UFOlogist and publisher of UFO Revista, Ademar José Gavaerd, many of the files were shown to him and other UFOlogists in 2005 as a prelude to releasing them to the general public. Then, in 2010, Brazil issued Ordinance 551/GC3, requiring every branch of the military and aviation sectors to collect and transfer all UFO reports to the Aerospace Defence Command in Brasilia along with any material proof by way of photos or video on a yearly basis. There, it is to be catalogued and made available to the public. Along with this, since 2012, the Air Force has periodically released declassified files through the Brazilian National Archives, and recently released 893 reports in May of this year. In this blog, we’ll look at the history of the Air Force investigation, the efforts of Gevaerd and other UFOlogists to gain access to the case files, and some of the most interesting (at least to us) cases (translated files can be found here) found within them. Read more →
*Note: audioblogs are now a cloned AI version of Martin’s voice.

AudioBlog: Brazil's Official UFO Archives

Did Barack Obama slip — and then walk it back? In a recent interview with political commentator Brian Tyler Cohen, Obama was asked point-blank: Are aliens real? His response: “They’re real… but I haven’t seen them.” He followed with laughter, referencing conspiracy theories about extraterrestrials being hidden at Area 51, suggesting such a secret would be impossible to conceal — even from a president. Later, he clarified that he framed part of his answer humorously. But was that clarification damage control? Tonight, Martin and UFO Jack go deeper. We revisit Obama’s earlier appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, where he was pressed on the same topic — and we review the exceptional breakdown by investigator Ben Hansen, who analyzed Obama’s phrasing, timing, increased respiration, and body language frame by frame. Are we witnessing: Political humor? Strategic ambiguity? Or a carefully managed narrative? Two interviews. Two different contexts. One unanswered question. We’ll compare tone, wording, micro-expressions, and consistency — and let you decide whether this was just a joke… or something more.

During the show, and authentic post on social media was posted:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump Based on the tremendous interest shown, I will be directing the Secretary of War, and other relevant Departments and Agencies, to begin the process of identifying and releasing Government files related to alien and extraterrestrial life, unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), and unidentified flying objects (UFOs), and any and all other information connected to these highly complex, but extremely interesting and important, matters. GOD BLESS AMERICA! LINK

734 Martin & Jack on Obama's Alien Statement

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear The first feature-length UFO documentary was titled, appropriately, Unidentified Flying Objects with the subtitle, The True Story of Flying Saucers. It was produced by Clarence Greene and released in 1956. Researcher Robert Barrow devoted a blogspot.com site to it titled UFO: The True Story of Flying Saucers and posted from June 2008 until July 2025. In his June 12, 2008, post, “The Driving Force: Clarence Greene,” Barrow includes a statement “signed” by Greene, but he tells the reader that he found it on the web “uncredited.”According to Greene in his July 26, 1967, statement titled, “UFO: Why I Made Unidentified Flying Objects,” one night in August of 1952, a friend called his attention to something in the sky Greene describes as “a sphere of light.” They watched it for about five minutes as it moved, stopped, made turns, and then moved off over the horizon. He later learned that members of the Ground Observation Corps had also observed it. Read more →

*Note: audioblogs are now a cloned AI version of Martin’s voice.

AudioBlog The First Feature-Legnth UFO Documentary

For fun, Martin has a direct conversation with Grok about UFOs, Elon Musk, and Starlink. We examine Musk’s claim that with thousands of Starlink satellites in orbit, none have ever had to dodge an alien craft — and whether that actually proves anything given the vastness of space.

The discussion moves into some of the most compelling UFO cases on record, including the 2004 Nimitz encounter, the Phoenix Lights, and the 1994 Ariel School incident in Zimbabwe. Another great Grok opinion: "Maybe those kids got a backstage pass to something bigger!"

We explore pilot testimony, mass sightings, centuries-old reports, and why certain cases continue to stand out decades later. The conversation also touches on government technology, drones, long-standing historical accounts, and whether humanity may simply be missing part of the bigger picture. A thoughtful, candid exchange blending AI analysis with research and opinions.

Grok on UFOs: "Maybe the Sky's Got Layers We Don't See Yet?"

Call in show prevailed when KGRA Radio went down, a show with interesting callers discussing, sightings, current events, thoughts on the Tic-Tac UFO and more.

396. Listener Call In Show

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