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Producer: Donna Killeen

Podcast UFO is your destination for compelling audio programs focused on UFOs, close encounters, and the people behind the phenomena. Hear firsthand accounts from eyewitnesses, insights from experts, and discussions on sightings, government secrecy, and more. Want to get involved? Visit our website to learn how to join the conversation. Starting September 2025, we’ll be streaming live on YouTube every Tuesday at 8:00 PM ET and Some Thursdays at 8:00 PM ET. UFO Headlines every first Thursday of the month at 8:00 PM ET. Tune in and be part of the journey!

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In this episode of Podcast UFO, I’m joined by Miguel Sancho, executive producer of the HISTORY® series The Proof Is Out There® and author of Evidence of the Extraordinary. We discuss how his team evaluates UFO sightings and unexplained phenomena using a mix of journalistic rigor, scientific analysis, and expert review—revealing that most cases can be explained, while a select few remain truly puzzling. Miguel also shares insights from his book, exploring how our perception of reality can be challenged by experiences that don’t fit conventional explanations. From AI-generated hoaxes and government disclosure to credible UFO cases and even mysteries in our oceans, this conversation takes a grounded look at what holds up under investigation—and what still defies explanation.

Evidence of the Extraordinary Book

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745. Miguel Sancho

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear Timothy Green BeckleyAmong UFO enthusiasts, in between the serious, science-based researchers and the crackpots, there are people who enjoy the mystery for the fantastic tales and the colorful people it spawns, as well as the social interaction with the like-minded. One of the first examples of this sort of person was Gray Barker, who became known for his 1956 book They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers. He became good friends with James W. Moseley, who would become well-known as the publisher of Saucer Smear magazine, and the two of them became notorious for pranking and poking fun at what they considered their over-serious peers. As the 1960s got under way, a group formed around Moseley, who was based in Fort Lee, New Jersey. This included Allan Greenfield, Eugene Steinberg, and Timothy Green Beckley. Of these, Beckley, Like Barker, would become a prolific publisher of UFO-related material, and in 1978, he started putting out UFO Review, which was a tabloid-style newspaper chock full of UFO news, reports, interviews, and lurid ads for UFO books, UFO merchandise, new age self-help guides and related paraphernalia. Read more →

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AudioBlog Timothy Green Beckly's UFO Review

From the Archives: (2012) Interview with the late John Lear, (1942-2022) ~ In this archival episode of Podcast UFO, Martin Willis sits down with legendary aviator and controversial UFO figure John Lear for a candid and wide-ranging conversation. John Lear, son of William Lear and a record-holding pilot with extensive experience flying worldwide, shares how his interest in UFOs began with early sightings and grew through decades of aviation and firsthand experiences. Highlights from this interview include: Lear’s early UFO encounters, including a childhood sighting and a mysterious object observed while piloting a Learjet at high altitude His time flying CIA-related missions in Southeast Asia and other regions Inside stories about Bob Lazar, including how they met and Lear’s perspective on Lazar’s claims about Groom Lake and S-4 A detailed account of the famous 1989 desert observation of a disc-shaped craft during a reported test flight Personal reflections on Paul Bennewitz and the controversies surrounding disinformation and the Dulce base narrative Discussion of the so-called “Krill memo” and early attempts to document alleged alien research Lear offers his unfiltered opinions on some of the most debated figures and cases in UFO history, providing insight into a period when many of these stories first gained traction. This is a short but compelling segment that captures the mindset and claims of one of ufology’s most talked-about personalities.

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Bonus Podcast: John Lear (2012 Interview)

Martin Willis interviews filmmaker Ron James, Head of MUFON Media, about his new documentary Accidental Truth: Next and the current state of UFO Disclosure.Ron shares behind-the-scenes insights from Washington, D.C., including conversations connected to lawmakers such as Tim Burchett and Kirsten Gillibrand, and discusses whether the ongoing UAP narrative is true transparency, or a controlled rollout. Topics include Congressional hearings, limited vs full disclosure, missing scientists, MUFON’s role behind the scenes, and how the UFO subject may be shifting beyond “nuts and bolts” into deeper questions about reality itself. Ron also previews Accidental Truth: Next, premiering June 1 at Contact in the Desert and streaming June 2.
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744. Ron James

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

In 1977, there was a flap in the area of St. Brides Bay in Pembrokeshire, Wales, that involved reported sightings of craft and humanoids. The most well-known incident involved 14 Broad Haven Primary School students running inside to tell their headmaster that they had seen a yellow cigar-shaped craft land in a field. On February 17, three staff members reported they saw the same craft. The story made national news thanks to British UFO Research Association investigator and UFO Investigators Network correspondent Randall Jones Pugh, and a flap began that would result in the area being referred to as “The Welsh Triangle.” A lesser-known case involved an entire family that reported a series of strange events which Pugh covered in articles published in issues of Flying Saucer Review and the BUFORA Journal.In April, while driving, Pauline Coombes and three (out of four) of her children were reportedly chased by a football shaped UFO. Later that year, in October, Coombes, her four children, and her mother reportedly witnessed a craft and humanoids that behaved in an especially bizarre manner. It came out that all sorts of strange happenings were said to have been occurring on the family homestead called Ripperston Farm. Journalist Clive Harold got close to the family and wrote a book about their experiences titled, “The Uninvited.” 
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YOUTUBE INTERVIEW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVyQ_Um4grM&t=1s

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AudioBlog: A Welsh Triangle Window Area?

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

Last week, Nick Pope, full name Nicholas George Pope, passed away on April 6th at the age of 60. A fixture in the UFO scene, Pope first gained notoriety with his 1996 book, Open Skies, Closed Minds. Besides providing an overview of UFO history up to that point, the book has an autobiographical account of his time as the head of the “UFO desk” at the Ministry of Defense from 1991 t0 1994. After the book came out, he became a go-to “UFO expert” whenever an authoritative comment was needed to punch up a news story. He maintained his interest and a media presence and was sought after as a speaker at conventions and a commentator in various documentaries. By the time of his passing, he was a well-known personality in the UFOtainment industry, having appeared regularly on Ancient Aliens and at Contact in the Desert. In the midst of his notoriety and association with the more sensationalistic aspects of UFOlogy, his commentary seemed to be heartfelt and true to his actual beliefs.According to Pope in his book, he was a skeptic before he was assigned to the “UFO desk” in Secretariat (Air Staff) Department 2A at the Ministry of Defense. He had been with the MoD since 1985, and personnel were shifted to different sections every three to four years as a matter of policy to give them “a breadth of knowledge and experience.” When he was assigned to deal with UFO reports, he took it upon himself to learn as much as he could about the subject, and the comprehensive historical overview in the book shows the depth of his research.Besides studying UFO history, Pope reached out to British UFO researchers, such as Timothy Good who wrote the Foreword of the book, and established relationships with organizations such as the British UFO Research Organization. This set him apart from his predecessors and helped diminish the us-and-them perception between the MoD and the British UFO community. Read more →

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AudioBlog: Remembering Nick Pope

In this live episode of Podcast UFO, I’m joined by Ron Janix for an in-depth and wide-ranging discussion on the current state of UFO disclosure, the upcoming Contact in the Desert conference, and the legacy of the late Nick Pope. We reflect on Pope’s impact as a steady and respected voice in the field, sharing personal stories and why his presence will be deeply missed within the community. Ron also breaks down what makes Contact in the Desert one of the most important UFO gatherings in the world—from major speakers and film premieres to the unique experience of connecting directly with researchers, filmmakers, and attendees. We also explore the ongoing conversation around UFO disclosure, including the recent failure to release the much-anticipated 46 government videos, and what that may signal about transparency moving forward. Along the way, we discuss consciousness, the unknown nature of UFO phenomena, and why the deeper you go into this subject, the more complex—and mysterious—it becomes. This conversation also touches on personal experiences, the evolution of interest in UFOs, and broader questions about reality itself. From possible interdimensional explanations to skepticism about official disclosure, this episode captures both the excitement and uncertainty surrounding one of the most compelling mysteries of our time.

BLOG: Remembering Nick Pope
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743. Captain Ron Janix

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

In 1980, The Roswell Incident by Charles Berlitz and William Moore was published. In the book, on page 103 of the first printing, there is a bad photocopy of a photo showing two soldiers escorting a small creature. One of the soldiers is carrying a suitcase-shaped object that seems to be a respiration device, as there is a hose going from it to the creature’s mouth. The photo is said to have “reportedly first surfaced in Wiesbaden, Germany.” In 1981, Wiesbaden resident Klaus Webner took it upon himself to investigate. He wrote an article presenting his findings that was published in the September 1981 issue of The Probe Report, put out by the Britain-based Probe UFO Research Organization.In the book, the photocopy is presented with the caption “Alien from Another World or Elaborate Hoax?” The reader is told that it, along with the “artist’s interpretation” on the preceding page, is being published “without comment about whether it may or may not pertain to certain significant aspects of the Roswell Incident.” According to the authors, “an unnamed informant” gave the original photo, which he said he bought for a dollar, to FBI agent John Quinn at the New Orleans field office. They say the photo “purports to show an alien survivor of a UFO crash in the custody of two U.S. military policeman.” Lastly, they say that it got “limited publicity in West Germany in the 1940s” and was met “with skepticism by U.S. officials of the then-existent Allied Military Government.” Read more →

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AudioBlog Mr X

(Note: Pre-Recorded, we are sorry to hear the loss of Nick Pope who succumbed to cancer yesterday 4-6-26 ❤️. I did a 9 minute tribute: HERE ) In this episode, Martin Willis speaks with Andy McGrillen of That UFO Podcast for a wide-ranging conversation on the global UFO topic, contrasting perspectives from the United States and the United Kingdom, and the evolving media landscape surrounding the phenomenon. Andy shares the personal sighting from his childhood that sparked his lifelong interest in UFOs, along with how that early experience shaped his curiosity and eventual path into podcasting. The discussion explores why UFO discourse appears heavily centered in the United States, examining differences in government transparency, the role of the Pentagon versus the UK Ministry of Defence, and how media coverage and public engagement differ across both countries. The conversation also dives into the impact of high-profile figures such as David Grusch, whose testimony brought unprecedented mainstream attention to the topic, and how credibility, messaging, and restraint have influenced public perception. Martin and Andy examine the challenges of balancing serious investigation with entertainment in today’s rapidly expanding UFO media space, including the explosion of podcasts and influencer-driven content. They also discuss well-known and debated cases, including the Phoenix Lights, the Tic Tac encounter, and classic incidents like Ariel School, while sharing differing perspectives on controversial figures such as Bob Lazar. Andy also talks about his recently published book, which presents a global overview of UFO cases designed to introduce readers to both famous and lesser-known incidents. Throughout the episode, the discussion remains grounded, thoughtful, and open-minded—exploring not just what we know, but how we interpret what we think we know about the phenomenon. If you enjoy in-depth, balanced conversations on UFOs, this episode offers a compelling transatlantic perspective on one of the most enduring mysteries of our time.That UFO Podcast website: https://www.thatufopodcast.com
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ThatUFOPodcast
Book: https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs

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742. Andy From That UFO Podcast

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 
As anyone who has looked into the subject of UFO-related humanoids knows, reported creatures come in all shapes and sizes. Some are more unusual than others, and a pair of creatures said to be seen in Italy in 1978 definitely stand out.In the Vol. 28, No. 6, issue (page 15 of the pdf) of Flying Saucer Review, there is an article by Antonio Chiumiento headlined “An Encounter with ‘Rat-Faces’ in Italy.” The article was translated from Italian and Chiumiento is described as an “Investigator and member of the board of directors of C.U.N. (Italian National UFO Research Centre, Turin.)”According to Chiumiento, on the morning of November 24, 1978, 61-year-old Gallio resident, Angelo D’Ambros, went to get some firewood in nearby Gastagh. At about a quarter before noon, he turned to put down a branch he had been chopping up when he “was gripped with horror” upon seeing two creatures looking at him that were “extremely close.” 
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AudioBlog: Rat-Faced Creatures From a UFO

Dr Richard O’Connor tells us what Jesse Marcel, Jr was like, and how the influence of this credible friend changed his life in the UFO world. Check out the Jesse A Marcel Library.

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193. Dr Richard O'Connor, UFOs, Jesse Marcel Library and more

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