Suleika Jaouad was diagnosed with cancer at 22. She made her illness the subject of a New York Times column and a memoir, Between Two Kingdoms. She and Steve talk about what it means to live with a potentially fatal illness, how to talk to people who've gone through a tragedy, and ways to encourage medical donations.

SOURCE:Suleika Jaouad • , author.

RESOURCES: • " The Art of Survival • ," by Jennifer Senior ( The Atlantic, • 2024). American Symphony, • film by Matthew Heineman (2023). Between Two Kingdoms: A Memoir of a Life Interrupted, • by Suleika Jaouad (2021). • " Max Ritvo, Poet Who Chronicled His Cancer Fight, Dies at 25 • ," by John Schwartz ( The New York Times, • 2016). • “ Life, Interrupted • ,” column by Suleika Jaouad ( The New York Times, • 2012-2015). The Fault in Our Stars, • by John Green (2012). Bright-sided: How Positive Thinking Is Undermining America, • by Barbara Ehrenreich (2009). The Isolation Journals, • newsletter by Suleika Jaouad.

EXTRAS: • " John Green’s Reluctant Rocket Ship Ride • ," by People I (Mostly) Admire • (2022). • " Does Death Have to Be a Death Sentence? • " by People I (Mostly) Admire • (2022).