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Outside/In: Where curiosity and the natural world collide.

Look around, and you’ll find everything is connected to the natural world. At Outside/In, we explore that idea with boundless curiosity. We report from disaster zones, pickleball courts, and dog sled kennels, and talk about policy, pop culture, science, and everything in between. From the backcountry to your backyard, we tell stories that expand the boundaries of environmental journalism. 

Outside/In is a production of NHPR. Learn more at outsideinradio.org

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One of the very first books for the general public about climate change was written and published by Bill McKibben in 1989. In The End of Nature, Bill wrote that continuing to burn fossil fuels would “lead us, if not straight to hell, then straight to a place with a similar temperature.”

Bill was right. The planet is hotter. Climate disasters are everywhere. You’d think he’d be more upset now than ever. But in his latest book, Here Comes the Sun, Bill sounds optimistic. In it he writes “For the first time, I can see a path forward. A path lit by the sun.”

Host Nate Hegyi talks to journalist and activist Bill McKibben, about how he’s changed, how he’s stayed the same, and what his story tells us about the state of the climate crisis.

Featuring Bill McKibben

Produced by Felix Poon. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.

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LINKS

Listen to Studs Terkel’s 1989 interview with Bill about his first book, The End of Nature.

Read Bill’s latest book, Here Comes the Sun.
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Bill McKibben has changed (but not that much)

You might not think much about the sticky bottle of vanilla sitting in the back of your pantry. But that flavor – one of the most common in the world – has a fascinating history, involving a fickle orchid and a 12-year-old enslaved boy who made the discovery of a lifetime. 
That’s the sort of tale that attracts poet Aimee Nezhukumatathil. From peacock feathers to the sounds of garden insects, her work is known for magnifying the wonders of the natural world. Her latest book of essays, “Bite by Bite: Nourishments and Jamborees,” explores the unexpected connections between food, memory, and community.
So take a seat and pour yourself an aperitif, as Aimee Nezhukumatathil shares a few of these miniature morsels with Outside/In host Nate Hegyi: a three-course meal of grape jelly, sweet nostalgia, and just a hint of vanilla bean. 
Featuring Aimee Nezhukumatathil
This episode originally aired in 2024. 
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LINKS
You can find Aimee’s book of essays, Bite by Bite, at your local bookstore or online. 
CREDITS
Produced by Nate Hegyi. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org

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** We’re celebrating our 10 year anniversary and want you to come! Join us in Portsmouth, New Hampshire for a night of storytelling, featuring former Outside/In guests and hosted by our very own Nate Hegyi. Get your tickets here! ** 
In celebration of Outside/In’s 10th anniversary we’re looking back at our very first episode: “The Kiwi Apocalypse,” first published in December of 2015. Afterwards, we’ll get an update to the story and talk about how weird it is to have a podcast old enough to be in middle school. 
Here’s our original description for The Kiwi Apocalypse: 
Iago Hale has a vision: it’s one where the economy of the North Country is revitalized by local farmers selling delicious cold hardy kiwi berries to the masses.
Meanwhile, Tom Lautzenheiser has been battling a hardy kiwi infestation in Massachusetts for years, and is afraid that this fight will soon be coming to the rest of New England.
Should we worry about the cold hardy kiwi and what does the quest to bring it to market tell us about what an invasive species is?
Featuring Iago Hale, Tom Lautzenheiser and Bryan Connolly.
This episode was produced by our original host, Sam Evans-Brown. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.
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Grab a ticket for our 10 year anniversary live show here! 
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Return of the Kiwi Apocalypse: 10 years of Outside/In

Over the past few decades, CGI has allowed directors to put virtually anything they can imagine onto the big screen. But in the world of theater, practical effects still rule supreme. 
So how do these special effects wizards make it snow, rain, and gust inside the confines of a theater, where real live audiences are sitting just feet away? And what are the challenges to dumping more than 100 gallons of water indoors, or coating the stage in slippery fake snow? 
We tour a Brooklyn warehouse that houses the secrets behind Broadway’s wildest special effects, where one engineer is inventing new ways to wow audiences with the magic of the elements.
Featuring Jeremy Chernick.
Produced by Taylor Quimby. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.
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To see some of the effects we mention in action, check out Jeremy Chernick’s website gallery of shows he’s worked on.
ALSO! Did Operation Night Cat leave you wanting more? Make a year-end gift to NHPR, and we’ll invite you to a special Operation Night Cat Virtual Q&A on January 8th 6PM EST, featuring our very own Nate Hegyi! 

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How Broadway’s SFX designers make it rain (and snow) on stage

When Avatar came out in 2009, it shattered box-office records. And even though it was billed as a sci-fi epic featuring blue aliens on a far-away moon, the movie didn’t shy away from a pretty Earth-based message of environmental conservation.
So, with a third Avatar hitting theaters this weekend, we were inspired to bust out the popcorn, dim the lights, and play the part of pop culture critics. 
How do movies – from blockbusters to documentaries to Disney films – shape our conception of the natural world?
Featuring Alyssa Vitale, David Whitley, Salma Monani, and Erin Trahan. 
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To share your questions and feedback with Outside/In, call the show’s hotline and leave us a voicemail. The number is 1-844-GO-OTTER. No question is too serious or too silly.
Outside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. 
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LINKS
Similar to Avatar, the animation required to pull off Finding Nemo was a technological feat for its time. Here’s a documentary showing you behind the scenes.
Listen to all of “Little April Showers” (that catchy tune from Bambi) here. 
You can find Alyssa Vitale’s movie reviews on her Youtube channel, Mainely Movies. 
Salma Monani’s academic work within ecocinema extends far beyond that of FernGully. Her faculty page at Gettysburg College can be found here.
Find some of Erin Trahan’s recent work on her website, including a recent documentary following Michael Dukakis.
You can find David Whitley’s book on Disney animation here. 
CREDITS 
Produced by Marina Henke. For full credits, transcript, and a list of movies mentioned in this episode visit outsideinradio.org

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The FernGully Effect

Did you know that some species of worms can be cut into multiple pieces and each piece will make a new worm? Some can even make a whole new brain. Wild, right?
While not all forms of healing are quite as miraculous as this, the body’s ability to repair itself is pretty darned cool. So today, we’re answering your questions about healing. Like…

Why do we pick at scabs?

Why do animals lick their wounds?

How does breath work affect the nervous system?

What's the best outdoor activity to help heal from heartbreak?

For our next Outside/Inbox roundup, we’re looking for questions all about love! From what happens in our bodies when we fall in and out of love, to whether animals fall in love. Send us your questions by recording yourself on a voice memo, and emailing that to us at outsidein@nhpr.org. Or you can call our hotline: 844-GO-OTTER.
Featuring Mansi Srivastava, Mona Gohara, Susan Taylor, Henk Brand, Jane Sykes, Aditi Garg, Carolina Estêvão, and Sandra Langeslag.
For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.
 
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Time heals all wounds

At any given time, millions of lab mice are being used in research facilities nationwide. And yet nearly all of them can be connected back to a single source: The Jackson Laboratory in Bar Harbor, Maine, where the modern lab mouse was invented.
What started as a research project aimed at understanding heredity is now a global business. Research on lab mice has led to more than two dozen Nobel prizes, helped save countless human lives, and has pushed science and medicine to new heights. But behind it all is a cost that’s rarely discussed outside of the ethics boards that determine how lab mice are used. 
In this episode, we hear the story of how a leading eugenicist turned the humble mouse from a household pest into science’s number one guinea pig. Plus, we get a rare peek inside the Jackson Laboratory - where over 10,000 strains of lab mice DNA are kept cryogenically frozen. 
Featuring Bethany Brookshire, Kristin Blanchette, Lon Cardon, Rachael Pelletier, Karen Rader, Nadia Rosenthal and Mark Wanner. Produced by Jeongyoon Han. For a transcript and full list of credits, go to outsideinradio.org. 
Note: This episode originally aired in April, 2023. 
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Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to outsidein@nhpr.org or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837).
LINKS
Karen Rader’s book, Making Mice: Standardizing Animals for American Biomedical Research, 1900-1955, is a definitive source on the birth of the lab mouse…
Curious to learn more about pests? Take a look at Bethany Brookshire’s book, Pests: How Humans Create Villains.
This piece from the New Yorker questions the assumptions and ethical choices scientists have made by using lab mice in sterilized lab environments.
In this New York Times essay, Brandon Keim explores how some ethicists want to reduce harm to animals used for research through a new model: repaying them. 

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Of Men and Mice

The garment industry has a giant carbon footprint, labor issues, and a massive waste problem. We have the power to change how and where we shop, but there’s another way to shift our consumption: the practice of repairing our clothes. After all, the most sustainable garment is always the one already hanging in your closet. 
But mending is more than a household chore: it can also infuse new joy in our habits, skills, perspective, and community.
Outside/In producer Justine Paradis talked to a few repair pros and came up with 8 tips on embracing a repair mindset, lengthening the life of our clothes, and getting the practice of mending into the rhythm of our lives. 
Featuring Emilia Petrarca, Dante Zagros Gonzalez, Steve Foss, Arounna Khounnoraj, Sonali Diddi, Vrylena Olney, Ely Spencer, and Ali Mann.
This episode was produced by Justine Paradis. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org. 
LINKS
A few extraordinary examples of mending: Celia Pym’s Norwegian Sweater, a Japanese fisherman’s jacket constructed with sashiko, wool coats repaired with lavish embroidery, and a plain white t-shirt mended by Maya Skylark.
Look for mending classes at your local library, thrift stores, knitting shops, or other community gathering places. Remote classes are also offered at places like Tatter. You can also find a repair cafe near you, explore starting your own, or try throwing a repair party with friends.
“Why Do Clothes Suck Now” – a great primer on Culture Study
A striking visual demonstrating the decline in sweater quality since the ‘90s. 
How to buy a sweater that doesn’t suck (Defector)
“Repair Month” on Emilia Petrarca’s newsletter Shop Rat, including laundry tips and her crowd-sourced Google spreadsheet of repair specialists in NYC and beyond.

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On the mend: 8 tips on how to repair your clothes

“Operation Night Cat” is a special three-part series from NHPR’s Document team and Outside/In.
Episode 3: A Duck’s a Duck
Two sets of potential crimes, investigated by more than five sets of law enforcement agencies. Why most of them never took a shot at accountability.
News audio clip credit: WMUR. For a full list of credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org. 
 
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To hear more of Document's investigative journalism, including their three-part series on New Hampshire's YDC scandal, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 
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Operation Night Cat, Episode 3: A Duck’s a Duck

“Operation Night Cat” is a special three-part series from NHPR’s Document team and Outside/In.
Episode 2: Behind the Brick Wall
The poaching investigation takes a surprising turn when it reveals another set of potential crimes – this time, behind the brick walls of New Hampshire’s State Prison for Men.
This episode contains strong language that may not be suitable for all listeners. For a full list of credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.
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Operation Night Cat, Episode 2: Behind the Brick Wall

When composer and traveling musician Ben Cosgrove was just 7 years old, he wrote a song called “Waves”. Since then, he’s made a career out of music inspired by landscape, place, and wilderness.

But if an artist has an environmental brand... do they also represent an environmental ethic?

Over the years, Ben began to wrestle with what his music was really saying about the natural world.

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Read “The Trouble with Wilderness” by William Cronon.

More on Ben Cosgrove’s new album, also called “The Trouble with Wilderness”.

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The Trouble With Music About Wilderness

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