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Eric Siu and Neil Patel

Neil Patel and Eric Siu bring you daily ACTIONABLE digital marketing lessons that they've learned through years of being in the trenches. Whether you have a new website or you're an established business, you'll learn the latest SEO, content marketing, social media, email marketing, conversion optimization and general online marketing strategies that work today from people that actually practice marketing and operate business. Approaching 100M downloads with 2,500+ episodes, you're sure to find something that will help you grow faster. Also don't forget to subscribe to our Marketing School Youtube channel to get more marketing goodness.

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hosts Neil and Eric break down why product builders get more respect than agencies, how bad agency experiences shape perception, and why products compound better than labor. They unpack AI-first teams, compensation tradeoffs, employee churn, and why going all-in on AI without people is risky. The conversation shifts to Meta’s potential Manis acquisition, AI agents in marketing, data privacy concerns, and how creators fall into audience capture through rage bait and political content.

Key Takeaways

Product vs agency perception matters

AI scales work but people still matter

Audience capture can destroy creators

Chapters

(00:00) Product vs agency perception

(01:38) Why agencies get a bad rap

(03:56) Compensation and incentives

(05:12) AI-only companies debate

(07:08) Meta and Manis acquisition

(09:13) AI agents in marketing

(11:57) Data privacy and China

(13:06) Rage bait and audience capture

Why People Hate Agencies

Discover how cloud code and AI coding tools like Claude Opus are changing who can build software, grow businesses faster, and unlock massive leverage without traditional coding skills. Neil and Eric break down why cloud code feels like a superpower, how marketers and operators can actually drive ROI, and why strategy matters more than random AI experiments. From revenue per employee data to real enterprise examples, this episode explains what AI adoption should really look like and how individuals can stay ahead in the next wave of AI-driven growth.

Key takeaways:

Cloud code unlocks non-coders to build real products

AI adoption without strategy destroys ROI

AI forward talent wins the future

Chapters:

(00:00) Cloud code explosion

(01:25) Building without coding

(03:45) AI ROI vs hype

(06:01) Enterprise AI strategy

(08:20) Revenue per employee data

(11:00) Hiring AI forward talent

(17:20) Can AI replace teams

(19:18) Why cloud code is different

How To Get Rich Using Claude Code

Neil and Eric break down why high agency is becoming more valuable than raw intelligence in the age of AI. They discuss Andre Karpathy’s views, Klarna’s AI experiment, why speed and execution now beat perfection, and how build versus buy decisions are changing. The conversation covers AI-driven productivity, the future of agencies, founder-led growth, and why adapting early is critical for entrepreneurs, marketers, and operators heading into 2026 and beyond.

Key Takeaways:

High agency beats intelligence in an AI-driven world

Speed and execution matter more than perfection

AI is reshaping agencies, startups, and big companies

Chapters:

(00:00) Agency vs intelligence explained

(00:30) Why high agency wins with AI

(01:12) Klarna, Karpathy, and AI impact

(03:00) End of large organizations?

(04:10) Build vs buy debate

(05:46) Speed, execution, and founders

(07:58) AI tools and productivity gains

(10:30) AI, GDP growth, and markets

(13:05) Why 2026 looks bullish

Why Intelligence Pales In Comparison To This

In this episode, hosts Neil and Eric break down how operator creators should price influencer deals, why most founders undercharge, and when sponsorships hurt long term business growth. They share real pricing frameworks, opportunity cost thinking, and why chasing views, creators, or bad sponsors can distract from building durable companies. The conversation also covers creator trust, AI fluency, data literacy, and why focusing on surface level metrics leads businesses in the wrong direction.

Key Takeaways

• Operator creators should price per post, not per view

• Sponsorships can destroy focus and audience trust

• Data fluency beats vanity metrics every time

Chapters

(00:00) Operator creator pricing

(02:15) Opportunity cost of sponsorships

(04:30) When to say no to deals

(06:55) Trust, brands, and audience loss

(10:28) Bad creator advice exposed

(15:46) Content vs real business growth

(18:33) AI fluency and teams

(22:10) Data over vanity metrics

How you should price yourself as an operator-creator

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In this episode, Neil and Eric break down why running a company feels like a sandwich every day, from CEO pressure and people problems to impostor syndrome and nonstop decision making. They compare founder life versus operator life, explain why investing in yourself and your team beats risky financial plays, and discuss why talent hubs like California still matter. The conversation wraps with citizen journalism, newsjacking, and how one viral story proves attention can be earned without massive budgets.

Key Takeaways

• Running a company means absorbing pressure daily

• The best investments are yourself and your people

• Long-term focus beats fast money every time

Chapters

(00:00) CEO pressure sandwich

(01:02) Founder vs CEO reality

(02:15) Price of great work

(05:02) California talent debate

(07:12) Investing in yourself

(10:28) Laser focus for 10 years

(14:00) Citizen journalism rise

(19:06) Newsjacking lessons

CEO Says Running Company Is a Sh*t Sandwich Everyday

Why are big companies not hiring in 2026? In this episode, hosts Neil and Eric break down hiring freezes at major companies, rising caution among CEOs, and why AI efficiency is replacing headcount. They discuss data from large employers, economic uncertainty, interest rates, and how leaders are planning for 2026 hiring. The conversation also covers management styles, leadership, and why people remain the best long-term investment despite automation. A must-listen for founders, executives, and anyone watching the job market in 2026.

Key Takeaways

• Why big companies are freezing hiring in 2026

• How AI is replacing headcount, not growth

• What leaders should do before hiring again

Chapters

(00:00) Why companies not hiring 2026

(01:33) Big tech hiring freezes

(03:35) Interest rates and hiring outlook

(06:54) AI efficiency vs people

(08:56) Leadership and management styles

(12:44) Direct feedback and firing fast

(17:21) Hiring strategy for 2026

Companies Are Not Hiring In 2026

Neil and Eric break down the Threads vs X mindset gap, why “victim mentality” kills progress, and how focusing on one craft can beat trying to be well-rounded. They debate early specialization vs variety using a peak-performance study, then shift into recruiting: retention conversations, paid working-case assignments, reference checks, and why talent drives marketing results. They also touch on holiday expectations in sales roles and discuss how Diddy built a massive brand reach and why power demands responsibility. 

Key takeaways:

-Stop blaming, start building.

-Master one craft, then compound.

-Hire with paid working cases.

Chapters:

(00.00) Threads vs X mindset gap

(00.26) Victim mentality vs self-made

(02.03) Focus one craft to win

(03.06) Specialization vs well-rounded debate

(04.24) Peak performance study breakdown

(07.00) Optimize for financial success

(10.48) Recruiting and retention principles

(13.36) Paid working-case hiring test

(18.42) Reference checks reveal judgment

(18.45) Holiday work and sales reality

(20.35) Diddy branding power and responsibility

(23.42) Happy holidays and 2026 wishes

Why X Crushes Meta's Threads

Google Gemini’s breakout in 2025 gets pinned on “Nano Banana,” Google’s fast image generation and editing push that coincided with Gemini MAUs jumping from 350M to 650M by October, plus momentum from NotebookLM upgrades and aggressive social distribution. Neil and Eric debate why free, bundled AI (Search AI Overviews, Chromebooks, Android) can outscale paid ChatGPT for students and everyday users, then zoom out into AI’s new marketing playbook for demand gen, ABM, and always-on agents, plus a reality check on VC data and “SEO is dead” takes. 

Key takeaways:

-Nano Banana made Gemini feel viral and usable.

-Free distribution beats “better” features for scale.

-AI is rewriting B2B demand gen workflows.

Chapters:

(00:00) What saved Google Gemini

(00:12) Nano Banana drives MAU growth

(01:10) AI Overviews massive reach

(01:43) Students choose free Gemini

(05:39) Chatbot traffic share shifts

(08:34) AI demand gen playbook

(10:38) Skepticism on VC datasets

(16:42) Luck favors consistent grind

(20:50) Holiday send-off for 2026

How Nano Banana Saved Google

Neil and Eric break down Hamilton Helmer’s 7 Powers framework for building a durable competitive business: branding, process power, switching costs, scale economies, cornered resources, network economies, and counter positioning. They apply these strategy concepts to agencies, then shift to AI moats and vertical integration, noting why Google stands out across the AI stack (apps, models, cloud, and chips like TPUs). The conversation closes with practical leadership lessons on AI fluency programs, hackathons, KPI-driven adoption, and avoiding “AI theater” so automation actually drives revenue and profit.

Key takeaways:

-7 Powers = clearer moat strategy

-AI fluency must move KPIs

-Vertical integration wins AI stacks

Chapters

(00:00) 7 Powers moat framework

(00:26) Counterpositioning examples

(00:36) Network effects and platforms

(00:47) Cornered resources explained

(01:04) Switching costs in agencies

(01:22) Process power in manufacturing

(03:12) AI leader and best moat

(05:40) AI fluency hackathons

(10:35) KPI-first AI adoption

(12:30) Don’t give up, stay alive

The 7 Powers Of Business

Neil and Eric break down their biggest marketing predictions for 2026, covering SEO’s rebound, AEO reality checks, AI workflow automation, community building, in-person events, and why switching costs now matter more than product market fit. Recorded on Christmas Eve, this episode dives into how agencies, SaaS companies, and enterprise brands should adapt as AI accelerates feature parity and channels evolve. From go-to-market engineers to owned communities, this conversation is a practical roadmap for marketers planning the year ahead.

Key takeaways:

• SEO and AEO will coexist, not replace each other

• In-person events and community will outperform algorithms

• Switching costs beat features in modern SaaS

Chapters:

(00:00) Christmas Eve kickoff

(00:30) SEO uncertainty and recovery

(02:12) 2026 marketing predictions

(03:26) Go-to-market engineers

(05:40) AEO vs SEO reality

(08:44) Community strategy mistakes

(10:45) AI product market fit shifts

(13:29) Switching costs over features

(16:20) Final 2026 outlook

How Marketing Will Completely Change in 2026

In episode #2831, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss the often overlooked aspects of AI and marketing, emphasizing that the real money lies in the 'ugly' and 'boring' parts of the business. They highlight the importance of analyzing data, focusing on proven strategies, and the value of community and connections in marketing. 

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TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES:

(00:00) The money in marketing AI is in the ugly, not the sexy

(03:33) Google now lets you auto generate a podcast

(08:35) Reddit adds 700m in monthly organic visitors; How to make money from it

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