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Tobias

Kristoffer

Fredrik

Kodsnack in English

Fredrik talks to Dejan Milicic about software development - understanding, methods, and stories.

We start by talking about encapsulation of knowledge and the essential software in organizations. Almost every organization should - it can be argued - be developing software that solves their unique problems, and yet so many outsource so much of their knowledge encapsulation. Oh, and we can never completely encapsulate our knowledge in code either, so all the more reason to keep people who actually know what the code does and why around.

Dejan tells us about his way to Ravendb and a developer relations role - and how you can craft your own job, stepping suitably outside of your comfort zone along the way.

We also talk about shortening attention spans, daring to dig down a bit and find out about the context of things. Like the second sentence of some oft-repeated quote. Prohibit bad things, but help automate doing good things and avoid doing the bad things completely.

Dejan shares some database backstories - why would someone want to build one more database? Specifically, what lead to the creation of Ravendb? And the very strong opinions which have been built into it. Avoiding falling into marketing-driven development.

After that, we drift into talking about processes and how we work. Every organization is unique - which strongly speaks against adapting the “best practices” and methodologies of others. Or keeping things completely the same for too long. Innovation is also about doing what other people are not doing.

Why is concurrency still hard? The free lunch has been over for twenty years! Functional programming and immutability offer ways forward, why aren’t these concepts spreading even more and faster? We get right back to understanding more context when Dejan discusses how few of us seem to have understood, just for example, the L in SOLID. Dive deeper, read more, and you will find new things and come up with new ideas.

Finally, Dejan would like to see software development becoming just a little bit more mathematical. So that things can be established, verified and built on in a different way.

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Comments, questions or tips? We a re @kodsnack, @tobiashieta, @oferlund and @bjoreman on Twitter, have a page on Facebook and can be emailed at info@kodsnack.se if you want to write longer. We read everything we receive.

If you enjoy Kodsnack we would love a review in iTunes! You can also support the podcast by buying us a coffee (or two!) through Ko-fi.

Links

Dejan
Ravendb
Informatics
Domain-driven design
Event sourcing
Data is worthless • - said in episode 601

Developer relations
Nosql databases
Jack of all trades
Jimmy • - who introduced Fredrik to Dejan at 
Øredev 2024
Hibernate
Relational databases
Oren Eini • - creator of Ravendb

Antipatterns
n+1
Couchbase
Scrum
Agile software development
The Toyota approach
The Scrum guide
Unison programming language • - VC funded

Dr. Dobb’s journal
The free lunch is over
Concurrency
SOLID
Liskov substitution principle
Repositories on top Unitofwork are not a good idea • - by Rob Conery

Elm

Titles

 • A mathematician turned software developer

 • Coding, but without deadline

 • Saturated with software development

 • Encapsulation of knowledge

 • A bit surreal

 • Accept people as they are

 • There’s a second line

 • Professional depression

 • Prevented, not diagnosed

 • The pipeline kind of thinking

 • Frustration-driven development

 • (You shouldn’t be) Punished for being successful

 • The largest company of his or her life so far

 • Optimized for maintaining the status quo

 • Wash away all the context

 • Manager of one

 • The proverbial Jira

 • Substantial content

 • Methods of moving forward

Kodsnack 620 - Encapsulation of knowledge, with Dejan Milicic

Fredrik talks to Jon Sterling about user interfaces old and new. Jon has created Aquaui - a Mac user interface library which is a small love letter to the Aqua user interface style for Mac OS X. Based on that, we discuss understandable and consistent user interfaces, how there seems to be little evolution and improvement, wish for brave new ideas, and a lot more.

Oh, and we also discuss living with old technology, like a seventh-generation Ipod. Plus liability laundering and the problems of building the whole house of out fire alarms.

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Comments, questions or tips? We a re @kodsnack, @tobiashieta, @oferlund and @bjoreman on Twitter, have a page on Facebook and can be emailed at info@kodsnack.se if you want to write longer. We read everything we receive.

If you enjoy Kodsnack we would love a review in iTunes! You can also support the podcast by buying us a coffee (or two!) through Ko-fi.

Links

Jon
Cambridge
Clare college
Aquaui • - Jon’s library

Aqua • - the user interface design language

Steve Jobs introducing Aqua
The dock
Windows XP
Windows 98
Iphone 4
IOS 6
IOS 7 • - the great flattening of everything

Apple’s old human interface guidelines
Accidental tech podcast
The purple button • for single-window mode in the Mac OS X beta - scroll down or search for “purple”

Stage manager
Lion
Infinite Mac • - the website where you can run old Mac operating systems

The spatial Finder - and why the modern Finder isn’t
Support Kodsnack on Ko-fi
Elementary OS • - and their 
interface design guide
GTK
A post about the original dock
Discussion about Mica - Apple internal design tool
Core animation
Webkit
Blink
WKWebview
Appkit
NSScrollview
NSScroller
12-inch Powerbook
Seventh-generation Ipod
Itunes
Intel Imac
Tiger
Tenfourfox • - browser for old versions of Mac OS X

Charles proxy
jonmstirling.com
Jon on Mastodon

Titles

 • A love letter

 • A very different era

 • Beautiful blue liquid

 • The great flattening of everything

 • Unbelievable user interface regression

 • I feel powerless today when I’m using my computer

 • They did mess up the photo app

 • Like a pill

 • A long-lasting Ibuprofen

 • That upper-right corner

 • Bigger than my wingspan

 • Beautiful, unsullied whitespace

 • During the decline of Mac OS

 • Time to be a bit bold

 • A passable gradient

 • Start from a point of inspiration

 • Too much for the old hardware

 • The Aqua fire alarm

 • SSL fire alarms

Kodsnack 626 - The great flattening of everything, with Jon Sterling

Fredrik talks to Barry O’Reilly about software architecture.

Barry has spent a lot of time and energy connecting software architecture to actual code and development work, and finding good ways of actually training new generations of software architects.

Architecture is a level above programming, it is a different skill, and it needs to be properly taught so that more people can think and make active decisions about it. Oh, and architecture happens at a group level. You can’t really do it alone.

Barry’s quest led him to complexity science, a PhD to actually prove his ideas hold up, and two books. The idea that you have to understand what goes on in the code in order to do good architecture is more controversial than one might think.

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Comments, questions or tips? We a re @kodsnack, @tobiashieta, @oferlund and @bjoreman on Twitter, have a page on Facebook and can be emailed at info@kodsnack.se if you want to write longer. We read everything we receive.

If you enjoy Kodsnack we would love a review in iTunes! You can also support the podcast by buying us a coffee (or two!) through Ko-fi.

Links

Barry
Black tulip
Complexity science
IDE
Antifragile
Nassim Taleb
Nassim guesting Econtalk talking about antifragility • while the book was in progress

 • Barry’s papers: 

No More Snake Oil: Architecting Agility through Antifragility • (2019)

An introduction to residuality theory: Software design heuristics for complex systems • (2020)

The Machine in the Ghost: Autonomy, Hyperconnectivity, and Residual Causality • (2021)

The Philosophy of Residuality Theory • (2021)

Residuality Theory, random simulation, and attractor networks • (2022)

Residuality and Representation: Toward a Coherent Philosophy of Software Architecture • (2023)

 • 

Domain driven design Europe
Leanpub
Residues • - Barry’s first book

 • Barry’s NDC talks - on 
process • and on 
philosophy
Support us on Ko-fi
Our agile release train engineer stickers
The architect’s paradox • - Barry’s second book

Accelerate
Øredev
Kodsnack 346 • - Tomer Gabel about the golden age of tomfoolery

Dataföreningen
Dataföreningen kompetens

Titles

 • How we design and think about structure

 • Climbed the greasy pole

 • Keep close to the code

 • Remove themselves from the code as a status symbol

 • I would see a lot of grey

 • There’s a generation missing

 • A level of thinking above programming

 • When you look up from your IDE

 • We had to rescue architecture

 • When they say “architect”

 • Headed for that ivory tower

 • A self-titling profession

 • Comfortable in uncertainty

 • Multiple books, and a PhD

 • How does this thing break

 • Everything will always break

 • Patching those cracks

 • Do you have any proof of this?

 • The key to good software architecture is pessimism

 • The mincing of academic criticism

 • Typing furiously

 • Hope for the future

 • He’s from the real world!

Kodsnack 631 - Comfortable in uncertainty, with Barry O'Reilly

Fredrik talks to Gitte Klitgaard about managers, diversity, and communication. We discuss how and why management has almost become a bad word. But we need management, and good management. What do you need out of managers when you have autonomous teams?

Conflict handling - we need small conflicts, and learn to handle them so they don’t become big conflicts.

Psychological safety and how to build it within and between your teams.

Building diverse teams, which kinds of managers we need, making good things visible, communicating and building psychological safety, diversity in thinking …

… and of course: a quick note on the evolution of LEGO instructions.

Recorded during Øredev 2024.

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Comments, questions or tips? We a re @kodsnack, @tobiashieta, @oferlund and @bjoreman on Twitter, have a page on Facebook and can be emailed at info@kodsnack.se if you want to write longer. We read everything we receive.

If you enjoy Kodsnack we would love a review in iTunes! You can also support the podcast by buying us a coffee (or two!) through Ko-fi.

Links

Gitte
Øredev 2024
Autonomous teams need great managers • - Gitte’s presentation with 
Jakob Wolman
Jakob’s blog post • - What use is a manager?

 • Gallup´s report 
State of the global workplace • - people are feeling more disengaged

Agila Sverige • - 
We need more managers
Devlin 2024 • - conference in Linköping

Copenhagen dev festival
Reteaming
Support us on Ko-fi!
The power of the pen
Microsoft Access
Microsoft Publisher
Kent Beck

Titles

 • Autonomous teams need great managers

 • A lot of things we agreed on

 • The catalyst

 • The multiplier

 • Taking care of humans

 • A manager who cares about me

 • Invisible people

 • A lot of the leader part

 • Difficult skills

 • Not everyone communicates well

 • We need the small conflicts

 • A thousand conflicts a day

 • The Xerox effect

 • The power of the pen

 • Hints here and there

Kodsnack 648 - Difficult skills, with Gitte Klitgaard

Jono Bacon
 

Internetdagarna är över! Vi lämnade Stockholm Waterfront med ett par intervjuer, reflektioner och en hel del idéer och uppslag för vad vi vill göra med podcasten framöver.

Först ut är vår intervju med Jono Bacon. Jono är Community Manager på Canonical, företaget som ligger bakom Linux-distributionen Ubuntu. Han var på Internetdagarna för att hålla en keynote med teman Community, så våra frågor började där. Han är dock även programmerare, musiker och en allmänt trevlig snubbe, så vi hinner avverka allt möjligt från hemmakontor till mobilprogrammering.

Jono har även sin egen podcast som vi rekommenderar till alla som är intresserade av öppen källkod eller bara vill höra mer av Jono. Vi låter det här citatet från vår intervju tjäna som ett smakprov eller varning!

“Some people are just assholes. Some people are just grade-A, copper-bottom, 24 carat gold assholes out there!”

Länkar

 • Jonos hemsida: 
jonobacon.org
 • Jono på twitter: 
@jonobacon
Severed Fifth
Art of Community
Bad Voltage
Ubuntu Touch SDK Beta
iRaccoonShow
PhoneGap
Ubuntu JuJu
Gustavo Niemeyer - Ubuntu Touch och Go
Bad Voltage pratar om PS4 och XBone

Kodsnack 34 - Intervju med Jono Bacon

We chat with Fred George, handgrenade of software development, live on stage during Øredev 2014. Topics include choosing clients, getting out before you start breaking things, the right ways of changing, the value of methodologies, remote work, gams, languages and more.

This recording exists as good as it is thanks to Stephen Chin of nighthacking.com for providing and masterfully wrangling all the necessary technology.

You can discuss this episode at Techworld!

Links

Mail Online
Node
Lean thinking
Scrum master
Agile coach
Clojure
Fad diet
Thoughtworks
Java Spring framework
Outpace
Pong
Dreamhack
Starcraft
Skyrim
The law of large numbers
Metal
Swift
Palo Alto Swift user group
Øredev session on Swift
Elixir
Dave Thomas
Erlang virtual machine
Micro services
Key value store
Database transaction
Forward internet group
 • Fred Georges' sessions at Øredev: 
Enabling emergent technologies • and 
Microservices: lessons from 3 companies
KPI • - Key performance indicators

Waterfall model of software development
COBOL
C-level executives
Richard Gabriel
Lucid Emacs
Worse is better • - paper by Richard Gabriel

Myspace
Valve organizational structure

Kodsnack 78 - Stirring the pot is necessary

We chat with Stefan Karpinski, creator of the Julia programming language, live on stage during Øredev 2014. Topics include deciding to build a new language, the interesting unsolved problems of numerical computing, concurrency solutions, developing with and on LLVM, handling deprecation nicely, things (possibly) in the future for Julia and why Swift is exciting for Julia and other languages.

This recording exists as good as it is thanks to Stephen Chin of nighthacking.com for providing and masterfully wrangling all the necessary technology.

There is a minute and a half of worse audio quality just after the nine minute mark, where microphone problems forced us to fill in with audio from our backup microphone.

Comments, thoughts or suggestions? Discuss this episode at Techworld!

Links

Stefan Karpinski
Julia programming language
Scientific computing
Viral Shah
Jeff Bezanson
MATLAB
R • programming language

Python
C extension
Goldilocks
Goldilocks principle
Dylan
Garbage collection
Unboxed data
Complex number
Julia Webstack
Numerical computing
Concurrency
Distributed computing
Threading
Julia on Github
Transactional memory
Goroutine
Coroutine
Channel
I/O
LLVM
IFDEF
JIT • - just-in-time (compilation, in this case)

Shared library
libclang • - C Interface to Clang

Template instantiation
Quake2.jl
Go
Hacker school
Matrix multiplication
Vectorization
Generational incremental garbage collection
SNOBOL
SPITBOL
Icon
Perl 4
C99 standard
Immutable composite types
Multiple dispatch
Monkey patch
radd • -trick in Python

Common Lisp
CLOS • - Common Lisp object system

Polymorphism
Self
BLAS • - Basic linear algebra subroutines

Fast fourier transform
Gofix
Tracing
Static compilation
MIT • - Massachusetts institute of technology

Courses taught using Julia
Function pointer
Scipy
Steven Johnson
FFTW
Pycall package for Julia
Call stack
GDB
LLDB
ABI • - application binary interface

Clang
Rust programming language
Swift
Chris Lattner • - creator of LLVM and Swift

WebKit FTL JIT • - compiles Javascript using LLVM

Shadow stack
‎Dynamic stack frame deoptimization
MATLAB matrix concatenation syntax

Titles

 • Some of the interesting tradeoffs

 • Bridge that gap between high-level and low-level

 • A huge pointer graph of some kind

 • It’s good to have a focus, initially

 • The point where we’re pushing things

 • The classic tradition of a ton of IFDEFs

 • This brings us back to garbage collection

 • Specializing for numerical work

 • Where numbers don’t have to be special anymore

 • (The question is:) How useful is that generalization?

 • You don’t necessarily know what code you’re going to need in advance

 • Trading off memory for performance

 • Really doing the deprecation process

 • A situation where normally you’d JIT something

 • You might end up in a slow case

 • You can always just fall back on an interpreter

 • A partially compiled interpreter

 • Nobody needs to know that it was written in Julia

 • A really capable C library

 • As easy as walking a linked pointer list

 • I’m really glad someone else implemented it

Kodsnack 80 - Where numbers don't have to be special anymore

We chat with James Mickens, researcher and most likely funniest man at Microsoft, live on stage during Øredev 2014. Topics include C development, the purity of incrementation, death by specifications, scandinavian death metal and its font choices and also British football, distributed systems and the problems you encounter dealing with them. The downsides of being stuck alone in a set of universes is that Stack overflow can’t help you. And how should we fix the Javascript and web browser technology world?

Comments on the internet? No.

This recording exists as good as it is thanks to Stephen Chin of nighthacking.com for providing and masterfully wrangling all the necessary technology.

Comments, thoughts or suggestions? Discuss this episode at Techworld!

Links

Freedom fries
Microsoft research
Distributed systems
James' talk at Øredev 2014
Handling the zombie apocalypse • - James' article “The night watch”

James' talk at Monitorama 2014
Satya Nadella • - CEO of Microsoft

Nuclear proliferation
Segfault
Logical shift
Logical AND
Malmö
Logical OR
W3C • - World wide web consortium

Web components
Web components templates
Gorgoroth
Fibonacci
Factorial
Fizz buzz
Sepultura
King diamond
British steel
Notepad
Web workers
Crom • - James' system for speculative Javascript execution

Speculative execution
Total recall
Firebug
Galactus
Odin
The Shellshock bug
Turtles all the way down
Jquery
Angular
XHR
MDN • - Mozilla developer network, great source of Javascript and browser API documentation

Git
The grandfather paradox
Polyfill
asm.js
NoSQL
Mongodb
Bare metal
Just in time compiler
Maslow’s hierarchy of needs
let-satement
Zeus
Quirksmode.org
Yo
Leviticus
Registry
ASCII art
About:config
Max TCP connections
Shockwave
Singularity
DVR • - Digital video recorder

Futures
Bendgate
Captain America’s shield
Georgia
Tomfoolery
4chan
Huge sloths

Titles

 • This is just Hollywood stuff

 • We’ll edit this out with CGI

 • What happens on the set

 • #freedom #america

 • What prevents me from being a happy person in life

 • It cheapens the art

 • Homelessness is bad too

 • At least you have hope

 • Do you like iteration?

 • I only increment variables

 • Only go forward

 • Black Gandalf

 • Not just fair or balanced

 • Otto von Hyphen

 • We laugh to stop from crying

 • Darkness is delightful

 • The great thing about scandinavian death metal

 • What would Beelzebub do?

 • That TV is in the cloud now

 • Like jazz musicians

 • Like trying to write Inception 2

 • The left hand of satan

 • Multiple speculative universes

 • What universe am I in?

 • A low-rent Stephen Hawking

 • Firebug had no notion of my separate universes

 • The Odin object

 • In the regular development world

 • Chicanery all the way down

 • Function calls are not our strong point

 • Not nothing will happen

 • XHR:s over passenger pidgeon

 • LOL I took a hard dependency on it

 • It’s very difficult to make a joke in this space

 • We don’t even issue writes

 • devnulldb

 • But we have hoverboards

 • Tread carefully on the polyfills

 • Close the tab and reboot the machine

 • This is such a character builder

 • Mumblefoo.js

 • Fast Javascript, and cancer

 • No-lock cancer

 • Asynchronous cancer

 • That kitten on a tradmill is not going to watch itself

 • Another special type of disaster

 • Folk wisdom on the web

 • 127i content

 • Emu futures

 • If I had a website, I’d run it like Singapore

 • Every computer should come with an old person

 • This whole alternate semantic reality

Kodsnack 82 - It's very difficult to make a joke in this space

We chat with Rob Ashton, freelance developer, speaker and recent discoverer of how to learn things properly, live on stage during Øredev 2014. Topics include learning, the plateaus of learning and how to actually do things right to keep evolving and learning. The problems of frameworks wanting to make X easy. Perhaps we should learn about programming in general instead of learning the next big framework in the hope that it will solve our problems without us needing to understand them?

This recording exists as good as it is thanks to Stephen Chin of nighthacking.com for providing and masterfully wrangling all the necessary technology.

Comments, thoughts or suggestions? Discuss this episode at Techworld!

Links

Rob Ahston
Rob’s keynote from At the frontend
Haskell
Clojure
Rob’s good use of the guitar
Strumming
Deliberate learning
Refactoring to to functional • - talk at Øredev by Hadi Hariri

Datagrid
Winforms
ATS
Erlang
Prolog
Recursion
Fold
Haskell generator functions
Polymorphism
gen_server
MUD
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike
Latency
Macros in MUDs
Wizards in MUDs
Angular
Angular 2.0 talk
Haskell is lazy
Web forms
npm • - the Node package manager

React
Om
Clojurescript
REPL
Flux • - Facebook’s architechture style used by them with React

Ember
Bash
AWK
SED
Purescript
Cloud Haskell
Docker

Titles

 • I haven’t got an elevator pitch for myself at the moment

 • I’ve become a real person living in the real world

 • It has changed the way I approach learning

 • I just build software every single day

 • Tangible and listenable

 • A transformative moment

 • Fingerpicking and scales

 • Competent throwing things together

 • I wouldn’t say my day job betters me

 • Why am I learning this crappy pointer stuff

 • Deliberate learning

 • Easy by virtue of travelling the hard way

 • My day job is mostly Erlang with a hint of C

 • Erlang is acutally incredibly boring

 • Lisp with horrible syntax

 • Things that mutate in the background

 • The world becomes a happy place

 • I’ve started writing a MUD in Haskell

 • And then you die in the next scene

 • A problem that noone has anymore

 • It’s good for you imagination

 • Factory providers and god knows what else

 • Hate’s a very strong word

 • The framework ain’t gonna help you

 • Shortcutting problems

 • I don’t do prescriptive

 • Preferable to gouge my eyes out with a spoon

 • That “wonderful” is sarcastic

 • It was an abomination

 • If there is such a thing as good C

 • Transcoding and cloud nonsense

 • That’s because you skipped the learning step

 • Copying and pasting things off of the internet

 • Shuffling piles of binary around the place

Kodsnack 83 - Easy by virtue of travelling the hard way

Fredrik talks to Rachel Reese about F#, Xamarin, the the MIT study (on diversity, sexism and career for women faculty at MIT) and related topics. We also cover good communities and being allowed (by yourself and others) to be a beginner.

This episode was recorded during the developer conference Øredev 2015, where Rachel gave two talks.

Thank you Cloudnet for sponsoring our VPS!

Comments, questions or tips? We are @kodsnack, @tobiashieta, @oferlund och @bjoreman on Twitter, have a page on Facebook and can be emailed on info@kodsnack.se if you want to write something longer. We read everything you send.

If you like Kodsnack we would love a review in iTunes!

Links

F#
TechEd
The project Euler problems
Skills matter
The progressive F# tutorials
The F# koans
Koan
Don Syme
Type providers
The World bank type provider
Type inference
Swift
Jet • - where Rachel works

Cross-cutting concerns
Pipelines in F#
Powershell
Rachel’s blog post about rewriting an application from C# to F#
Discriminated union
Xamarin
Haskell
ML
Ocaml
Generics
John Harrop • - F# vs C++ performance

Mono
Minesweeper
The MIT study
STEM • - Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics

Women in science and engineering
Rosalyn Franklin • - contributed to the understanding of DNA, RNA, viruses, coal, and graphite

Physical review
Cocoaheads
Monad
The petrie multiplier • - the blog post Rachel mentioned

Titles

 • Some big American conference

 • I figured out what a script file did

 • I’m definitely not advanced

 • I just sat there amazed

 • The magic grandfather

 • It’s a lot of little things

 • It could have been like this all the time

 • A natural next step

 • A perceived lack of support

 • A discriminated union

 • I love to hate Xcode

 • Surely it’s slow?

 • Release the Herrup

 • Package it in a view and pretend it’s native

 • Exactly like the study said it would

 • Do I want this now?

 • The most depressing thing I’ve ever heard

 • Too senior to be encouraged anymore

 • To be allowed to be a beginner again

 • They thought I had been speaking

 • People still want me to speak, apparently

 • There has been progress everywhere else

Kodsnack 134 - Allowed to be a beginner again

Recorded on-stage at Øredev 2023 just after his keynote, Fredrik chats to Cyrus Clarke about plants, imagining things, exploring, and building. And not presenting speculative things as possible here right now. Daring to not be useful right now.

How to bridge the gap between theory and academia on one side and practice and industry wanting to build things right now? By example.

Do our short time scales and focus on iteration hurt us? Eighteen months sounds like an impossibly long timespan, because we think in two-week iterations of what we have and customers want right now.

Getting in touch with researchers. Adapt how you talk to people! Scientists and artists are very similar.

We are all at intersections between things.

Thank you Cloudnet for sponsoring our VPS!

Comments, questions or tips? We are @kodsnack, @tobiashieta, @oferlund and @bjoreman on Twitter, have a page on Facebook and can be emailed at info@kodsnack.se if you want to write longer. We read everything we receive.

If you enjoy Kodsnack we would love a review in iTunes! You can also support the podcast by buying us a coffee (or two!) through Ko-fi.

Links

Øredev
The Øredev 2023 video playlist on Youtube
Cyrus
Cyrus' keynote: Storing data nature’s way
Cyrus' previous projects
South by Southwest
The non-fungible plant
NFT:s
Anthurium • - the plant

Titles

 • Data and plants

 • Non-fungible plants

 • That nice melting pot

 • Scientists are also artists

 • A little bit more imaginative

 • That’s all we are

 • Constant “of course"s

Kodsnack 559 - Non-fungible plants, with Cyrus Clarke

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