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It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here

James is joined by Olive, Margaret, Mo, to discuss the indictment of 15 anti ice protesters in Minnesota and what it means for the first amendment.
 
Sources:
 
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-it-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/everyone-vs-ice-on-the-ground-in-minnesota-319435576
 
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-it-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/outlaw-criminalization-of-ice-watch-in-minneapolis-326372276 
 
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.234418/gov.uscourts.mnd.234418.1.0_1.pdf 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ0hYCF60og 

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Anti-ICE Protesters in Minnesota Charged with Conspiracy

Andrew and James discuss settler colonialism across several contexts.
 
Sources:
 
Settler Colonialism and the Elimination of the Native by Patrick Wolfe
 
https://www.britannica.com/place/Liberia/History
 
Liberia: The Violence of Democracy by Mary H Moran. 
 
The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi
 
The Question of Palestine by Edward Said
 
https://rpublc.com/story/2024/02/08/international-affairs/the-false-equivalence-of-liberia-and-israel

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Settler Colonialism with Andrew

Journalist Carlos Berríos Polanco speaks with James about how the Dominican Republic’s border and immigration enforcement was shaped by the United States.
 
Sources:
 
Help Bring Ezra Home and Seek the Truth
 
(https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-bring-ezra-home-seek-the-truth)
 
More than a Massacre; Racial Violence and Citizenship in the Haitian-Dominican
 
Borderlands by Sabine Cadeu
 
Empire of Borders by Todd Miller
 
Border Patrol Nation by Todd Miller
 
From tierra de nadie to terre brulée – From Borderland to Border in Haiti and the Dominican Republic by Sabine Cadeu
 
(https://www.histecon.magd.cam.ac.uk/barriers/July2022_papers/SabineCadeauPaper.pdf)
 
Haitians, Magic, and Money: Raza and Society in the Haitian-Dominican Borderlands, 1900 to 1937 by Lauren Derby (https://www.jstor.org/stable/179294)
 
Making the Dominican Republic Great Again? by Lorgia García-Peña
 
(https://nacla.org/making-dominican-republic-great-again/)
 
Marines in the Dominican Republic 1916-1924
 
(https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/Marines%20in%20the%20Dominican%20Republic%20PCN%2019000412600_1.pdf)
 
US warns its ‘darker-skinned’ citizens of Dominican Republic’s migrant crackdown by Richard Luscombe
 
(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/22/us-warns-darker-skinned-citizens-crackdown-dominican-republic)
 
Latinobarómetro 2024 Resultados por sexo y edad Informe de estudio #LAT-2024 v1
 
(https://www.latinobarometro.org/latinobarometro-2024#LAT-2024-selected-country-header)
 
Ten Years After a Fateful Court Decision, the Dominican Republic Still Has a Statelessness Problem by Kevin Appleby
 
(https://cmsny.org/dr-statelessness-problem-appleby-102323/)
 
Addressing the Next Displacement Crisis in the Making in the Americas by Valerie Lacarte (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/haiti-next-displacement-crisis-americas)
 
‘They grabbed us like dogs’: deportation quotas tear Haitian migrants’ lives apart by Shandra Back
 
(https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/sep/07/they-grabbed-us-like-dogs-deportation-quotas-tear-haitian-migrants-lives-apart)
 
Federal Agents Investigate Sugar Exporter Over Allegations of Forced Labor
 
(https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/10/central-romana-homeland-security-sugar/)
 
“They Just Came and Started Breaking Houses”
 
(https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/12/central-romana-sugar-hoyo-de-puerco-demolished/)
 
Despite US Import Ban, Sugar Cane Cutters Still Face Abuse in Dominican Republic
 
(https://unicornriot.ninja/2023/despite-us-import-ban-sugar-cane-cutters-still-face-abuse-in-dominican-republic/)
 
10 years fighting for nationality in the Dominican Republic
 
(https://www.institutesi.org/news/10-year-anniversary-of-dr-court-ruling-stripping-nationality)
 
LEA Training Schedule 2024
 
(https://sansalvador.ilea.state.gov/training-schedule?c=fr-FR)
 
International students graduate from elite federal law enforcement program
 
(https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/international-students-graduate-elite-federal-law-enforcement-program)
 
Dominican Republic students graduate from elite US law enforcement program
 
(https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dominican-republic-students-graduate-elite-us-law-enforcement-program)
 
El misterio de Ellen Frances Hulett | El Informe con Alicia Ortega
 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKIg2np081M)
 
How Far Will the Dominican Republic Go in Deporting Haitians? by Marius Loiseau
 
(https://inkstickmedia.com/how-far-will-the-dominican-republic-go-in-deporting-haitians/)
 
Fearing Deportation, Mothers Give Birth in Shadows by Hogla Enecia Pérez and Luis Ferré-Sadurní
 
(https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/26/world/americas/dominican-republic-haiti-hospital-deportations.html)
 
Dominican Republic and Haiti at the Crossroads of the Massacre River by Simón Rodríguez (https://nacla.org/dominican-republic-and-haiti-crossroads-massacre-river/)
 
US team reveals weaknesses at the Dominican-Haiti border
 
(https://web.archive.org/web/20110526044642/https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2006/8/7/16173/US-team-reveals-weaknesses-at-the-Dominican-Haiti-border)
 
Dominican Republic begins building border wall with Haiti
 
(https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/dominican-republic-begins-building-border-wall-with-haiti-2022-02-20/)
 
A 101-Mile Wall Goes Up to Block Haitians Pouring Over Border by Danielle Balbi
 
(https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-09-28/big-take-why-the-dominican-republic-is-building-a-border-wall-between-haiti?embedded-checkout=true#xj4y7vzkg)
 
“A Veil of Legality” by Amelia Hintzen
 
(https://www.sciencedirect.com/org/science/article/pii/S1382237316000234)
 
Dominican border wall threatens environment, mangroves by Esteban ROJAS
 
(https://phys.org/news/2023-03-dominican-border-wall-threatens-environment.html)
 
Dominican Republic deports pregnant women in ‘inhumane’ migrant crackdown
 
(https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/apr/29/pregnant-women-deported-dominican-republic-migration-crackdown-haiti)
 
La muerte de Ellen Frances Hulett se debió a infartos agudos al miocardio, confirma autopsia
 
(https://noticiassin.com/la-muerte-de-ellen-frances-hulett-se-debio-a-infartos-agudos-al-miocardio-confirma-autopsia/)
 
La muerte de la estadounidense Ellen Hulett: una cadena de preguntas sin respuestas by Ana A, Elina M (https://www.diariolibre.com/actualidad/sucesos/2025/07/03/muerte-de-ellen-hulett-una-cadena-de-preguntas-sin-respuestas/3170413)
 
Alert: Ongoing Dominican Migration Enforcement
 
(https://do.usembassy.gov/alert-ongoing-dominican-migration-enforcement/)
 
87 Aniversario de la Dirección General de Migración
 
(https://migracion.gob.do/87-aniversario-de-la-direccion-general-de-migracion/)
 
Haitians displaced by violence face deportation after fleeing to Dominican Republic
 
(https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/haitians-displaced-by-violence-face-deportation-after-fleeing-to-dominican-republic)

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How the United States Shaped the Dominican Republic’s Immigration Enforcement Machine

This week, In The Belly is doing a take over to feature the poems of incarcerated writers in their own voices

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CZM Book Club: Poems by Incarcerated Authors -- with In The Belly Magazine

All of this week's episodes of It Could Happen Here put together in one large file. 
 
- Bovino’s Visit to Europe
 
- Idealogical Totalism with Andrew
 
- The Globalization of Resistance with Andrew
 
- The Arab Gulf States in the Line of Fire
 
- Executive Disorder: Pogrom in Belfast, Trans Healthcare, Denaturalization Cases 
 
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Sources/Links:
 
Bovino’s Visit to Europe
 
https://remigrationsummit.com/ 
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/christchurch-shooters-links-to-austrian-far-right-more-extensive-than-thought 
 
https://www.breizh-info.com/2026/05/28/260619/gregory-bovino-lhomme-qui-a-pilote-les-operations-trump-contre-limmigration-illegale-parle-a-leurope-interview/ 
 
http://www.toddmillerwriter.com/border-patrol-nation/ 
 
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/08/RE_2025.08.21_Unauthorized-Immigrants_REPORT.pdf 
 
https://www.cbp.gov/about 
 
https://www.startribune.com/fact-check-federal-officials-claims-about-fatal-minneapolis-shooting/601570444 
 
https://youtu.be/OYIK2-pO_7Y
 
The Arab Gulf States in the Line of Fire
 
Andrew Leber’s profile and articles - https://carnegieendowment.org/people/andrew-leber 
 
How Palestine is linked to domestic grievances - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13510347.2022.2038567
 
Executive Disorder: Pogrom in Belfast, Trans Healthcare, Denaturalization Cases 
 
https://www.independent.com/2026/06/04/new-details-emerge-about-leadup-to-largest-fire-in-channel-islands-history/
 
https://austinkocher.substack.com/p/ice-reports-19th-death-of-2026-georgian

 
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.293201/gov.uscourts.mad.293201.106.0.pdf

 
https://x.com/JacobEngels/status/2062157399255847030?s=20 
 
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2026CF000289&countyNo=55&index=0&mode=details 
 
https://www.whois.com/whois/bovino2028.com 
 
https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2064422223541154065?s=20

 
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/2/text 
 
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/whats-in-the-secure-america-act/ 

 
https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/compromised-votes-still-being-counted-right-wing-media-promote-election-misinformation
 
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116690027934241490

 
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28199744-dorcasopn060526/ 
 
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-moves-strip-us-citizenship-17-naturalized-sex-offenders-fraudsters-drug 
 
https://files.gao.gov/reports/GAO-26-108886/index.html 
 
https://media.cadc.uscourts.gov/opinions/docs/2026/06/25-5087-2176040.pdf

 
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-secures-landmark-resolution-end-pediatric-gender-affirming-care-and

 
https://www.acluok.org/news/senate-bill-904-faq/

 
https://www.aclu.org/qa-coe-et-al-v-blanche

 
https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-parents-say-mount-sinai-plans-to-share-trans-childrens-records-with-trump-administration

 
https://gothamist.com/news/mamdani-admin-weighs-how-to-provide-care-for-nyc-trans-kids-amid-trump-backlash
 
https://www.nyc.gov/mayors-office/news/2026/06/transcript--mayor-mamdani-appears-on-wnyc-s-the-brian-lehrer-sho

 
https://www.nychealthandhospitals.org/metropolitan/services/lgbtq-health-center/ 
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/14/us/julio-sosa-celis-ice-minneapolis-shooting.html 
 
https://www.hennepinattorney.org/news/news/2026/May/castro-arrested
 
https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2064457103134343170?s=20 
 
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/2064393192162660733?s=20 
 
https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2064290478091067601?s=20 
 
https://t.co/lY0s8D3jZy 
 
https://x.com/DanLamothe/status/2064336646376505687?s=20 
 
https://x.com/Reuters/status/2064794729477447978?s=20
 
https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/09/europe/northern-ireland-knife-attack-belfast-intl
 
https://bsky.app/profile/enddbelfast.bsky.social/post/3mnxbrtzgsk2y

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It Could Happen Here Weekly 236

The gang discuss election fraud claims in California, a pogrom targeting immigrants in Northern Ireland, DOJ investigations into healthcare for trans youth, new denaturalization cases against 17 people, and Greg Bovino’s potential 2028 presidential run.

NOTE: Regrettably this episode contained factual errors and omissions: Rwanda was colonized by Germany and Belgium, not Great Britain. The pogroms we mentioned occurred in Northern Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland.
 
Sources: 
 
https://www.independent.com/2026/06/04/new-details-emerge-about-leadup-to-largest-fire-in-channel-islands-history/
 
https://austinkocher.substack.com/p/ice-reports-19th-death-of-2026-georgian

 
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.293201/gov.uscourts.mad.293201.106.0.pdf

 
https://x.com/JacobEngels/status/2062157399255847030?s=20 
 
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2026CF000289&countyNo=55&index=0&mode=details 
 
https://www.whois.com/whois/bovino2028.com 
 
https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2064422223541154065?s=20

 
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/2/text 
 
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/whats-in-the-secure-america-act/ 

 
https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/compromised-votes-still-being-counted-right-wing-media-promote-election-misinformation
 
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116690027934241490

 
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28199744-dorcasopn060526/ 
 
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-moves-strip-us-citizenship-17-naturalized-sex-offenders-fraudsters-drug 
 
https://files.gao.gov/reports/GAO-26-108886/index.html 
 
https://media.cadc.uscourts.gov/opinions/docs/2026/06/25-5087-2176040.pdf

 
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-secures-landmark-resolution-end-pediatric-gender-affirming-care-and

 
https://www.acluok.org/news/senate-bill-904-faq/

 
https://www.aclu.org/qa-coe-et-al-v-blanche

 
https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-parents-say-mount-sinai-plans-to-share-trans-childrens-records-with-trump-administration

 
https://gothamist.com/news/mamdani-admin-weighs-how-to-provide-care-for-nyc-trans-kids-amid-trump-backlash
 
https://www.nyc.gov/mayors-office/news/2026/06/transcript--mayor-mamdani-appears-on-wnyc-s-the-brian-lehrer-sho

 
https://www.nychealthandhospitals.org/metropolitan/services/lgbtq-health-center/ 
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/14/us/julio-sosa-celis-ice-minneapolis-shooting.html 
 
https://www.hennepinattorney.org/news/news/2026/May/castro-arrested
 
https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2064457103134343170?s=20 
 
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/2064393192162660733?s=20 
 
https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2064290478091067601?s=20 
 
https://t.co/lY0s8D3jZy 
 
https://x.com/DanLamothe/status/2064336646376505687?s=20 
 
https://x.com/Reuters/status/2064794729477447978?s=20
 
https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/09/europe/northern-ireland-knife-attack-belfast-intl
 
https://bsky.app/profile/enddbelfast.bsky.social/post/3mnxbrtzgsk2y

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Executive Disorder: Pogrom in Belfast, Trans Healthcare, Denaturalization Cases

Dana El Kurd speaks to Andrew Leber, assistant professor of political science and Middle East and North Africa politics, with an expertise in Saudi Arabia and the Arab Gulf states. Andrew outlines the different positions of the Gulf states in response to the ongoing war on Iran, the competing visions for the region posed by the UAE and Saudi Arabia, and the role of Israel in their calculations. 
 
Sources:
 
Andrew Leber’s profile and articles - https://carnegieendowment.org/people/andrew-leber 
 
How Palestine is linked to domestic grievances - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13510347.2022.2038567

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The Arab Gulf States in the Line of Fire

Andrew talks with Garrison about how the jailing of political prisoners in Spain inadvertently sparked the Filipino labor movement and helped globalize the anti-imperialist struggle of the late 19th and early 20th century.

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The Globalization of Resistance with Andrew

Andrew talks with Garrison about how apocalyptic cult-like groups override critical thought and promote mass violence.

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Idealogical Totalism with Andrew

Former Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino travelled to a racist conference in Europe, James and Mia break down his interviews there and what it tells us about the culture of the agency he spent decades in.
 
Sources:
 
https://remigrationsummit.com/ 
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/christchurch-shooters-links-to-austrian-far-right-more-extensive-than-thought 
 
https://www.breizh-info.com/2026/05/28/260619/gregory-bovino-lhomme-qui-a-pilote-les-operations-trump-contre-limmigration-illegale-parle-a-leurope-interview/ 
 
http://www.toddmillerwriter.com/border-patrol-nation/ 
 
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/08/RE_2025.08.21_Unauthorized-Immigrants_REPORT.pdf 
 
https://www.cbp.gov/about 
 
https://www.startribune.com/fact-check-federal-officials-claims-about-fatal-minneapolis-shooting/601570444 
 
https://youtu.be/OYIK2-pO_7Y

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Bovino’s Visit to Europe

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