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It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here

James is joined by Karl Kasarda of InRangeTV to discuss the Project Blue data center and the coalition of people who campaigned against its construction in Tucson.
 
Sources:
 
http://nodesertdatacenter.com
 
https://apnews.com/article/electricity-prices-data-centers-artificial-intelligence-fbf213a915fb574a4f3e5baaa7041c3a
 
https://vermaland.com

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How Tucson Beat Amazon’s Data Center

Garrison talks with Robert about Republican investigations into the presidential autopen as a way to rescind pardons and remove judges.
 
Sources:
 
https://www.shapell.org/behind-the-scenes/the-robot-pen/
 
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1908354
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/lead-investigator-james-comer-biden-autopen-digital-signature-rcna216719
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/05/politics/autopen-trump-biden-analysis
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/13/us/politics/biden-pardon-autopen-trump.html
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/13/us/politics/biden-clemency-interview.html

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Why Trump is Obsessed with the Autopen

Andrew is joined by James to discuss how physical and digital infrastructure can be used as systems of control, and how communities have resisted and built their own infrastructure.

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Infrastructure as Control feat. Andrew

Margaret continues with Hermetica and our protagonist discovers... a clue!

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CZM Book Club: Hermetica, by Alan Lea, Part Two

All of this week's episodes of It Could Happen Here put together in one large file. 
 
- Anti-War Movements feat. Andrew
 
- Aid as a Tool of War in Gaza feat. Dana El Kurd
 
- Mapping Border Deaths
 
- Dogwhistle Politics and Nazi Code Hunting
 
- Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #28
 
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Sources/Links:
 
Anti-War Movements feat. Andrew
 
Anarchist Encyclopedia by Sebastien Faure et al
 
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/james-herod-the-weakness-of-a-politics-of-protest
 
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jeff-shantz-p-j-lilley-striking-against-the-work-war-machine
 
Aid as a Tool of War in Gaza feat. Dana El Kurd
 
Oxfam statement about Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - https://www.oxfamamerica.org/press/more-than-100-organizations-are-sounding-the-alarm-to-allow-lifesaving-aid-into-gaza/
 
Fogbow in Uganda and Sudan - https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/investigations/2025/06/16/fogbow-operations-south-sudan-raise-red-flags-aid-private-sector
 
Bezalel Smotrich’s “Decisive Plan” - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/09/israel-leaders-palestinian-territories-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-7-october
 
Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini on dismantling UNRWA - https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/notes/unrwa-may-be-forced-stop-saving-lives-gaza-will-world-let-happen
 
NPR report on famine in Gaza - https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/25/g-s1-78968/what-does-it-take-for-a-famine-to-be-declared-in-gaza
 
US Green Beret on what he saw at the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites - https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-26/ty-article/i-witnessed-war-crimes-in-gaza-u-s-veteran-and-former-ghf-worker-tells-bbc/00000198-47e0-d6be-a1bd-4ffd67f90000
 
Aljazeera op-ed by former UN official - https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/7/21/why-is-the-un-not-declaring-famine-in-gaza
 
UN reporting on deaths at aid sites - https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165396
 
Dr. Nick Maynard on what he witnessed in Gaza - https://www.channel4.com/news/teenagers-being-shot-by-israeli-soldiers-british-surgeon-in-gaza
 
Suppressing Dissent edited volume - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Suppressing-Dissent/Zaha-Hassan/9781836430971
 
Mapping Border Deaths
 
https://nomoredeaths.org/migrant-death-mapping/
 
Dogwhistle Politics and Nazi Code Hunting
 
https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/
 
https://files.libcom.org/files/[Mark_Fisher]_Capitalist_Realism_Is_There_no_Alte(BookZZ.org).pdf
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trumps-immigration-record-far-high-arrests-low-deportations-rcna217752
 
https://michiganadvance.com/2025/04/09/ice-director-envisions-amazon-like-mass-deportation-system-prime-but-with-human-beings/ 
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-refuses-us-military-flight-deporting-migrants-sources-say-2025-01-25/
 
https://bsky.app/profile/bishonentype.bsky.social/post/3luq3qktltc2n
 
Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #28
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/01/economy/tariff-more-expensive
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-hikes-india-tariffs-50-percent-buying-russian-oil-rcna223374
 
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-tariffs-take-effect-08-07-25
 
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-tariffs-take-effect-08-07-25#cme17o5l400003b6ns7mwdwnv
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/06/tech/apple-investment-us-trump
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-tariffs-latest-round-takes-effect-thursday-august-7-2025-rcna223461
 
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-tariffs-take-effect-08-07-25
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/06/tech/apple-investment-us-trump
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/i-wont-humiliate-myself-brazils-president-sees-no-point-tariff-talks-with-trump-2025-08-06/
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/aug/05/yvette-cooper-small-boats-migrants-uk-france-home-office-uk-politics-live
 
https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lvnr5fixc22l
 
https://www.facebook.com/EpiscopalNY/
 
https://apnews.com/article/florida-immigration-alligator-alcatraz-27fbae217427be730f589323df7cf656
 
https://sam.gov/opp/53dc2fa997954c1d8acf8888fd8f0b56/view
 
https://bi2technologies.com/service/iris/
 
https://www.cbs42.com/business/press-releases/cision/20250519NE91508/bi2-technologies-and-support-our-sheriffs-foundation-partner-with-singlecare-to-create-sheriff-rx/ 
 
https://www.secureidnews.com/news-item/el-paso-sheriff-to-use-iris-scanners/?ref=404media.co
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CMSW25P00000040_7012_-NONE-_-NONE-
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CTD025FR0000036_7012_NNG15SC82B_8000
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CMSD25P00000047_7012_-NONE-_-NONE-
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CMSW25P00000042_7012_-NONE-_-NONE-
 
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/02/capsule-review-ford-svt-raptor-united-states-border-patrol-edition/
 
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/senator-cornyn-says-fbi-will-help-track-down-texas-democrats-who-fled-over-2025-08-07/
 
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/08/03/texas-quorum-breaks-history/
 
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/08/04/texas-democrats-house-warrants-arrest-quorum-break/
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/08/06/nx-s1-5493544/rfk-defunding-mrna-vaccine-research
 
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/nasa-china-space-station-duffy-directives-00492172

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It Could Happen Here Weekly 194

The gang talk about Texas Dems fleeing to Illinois to stop gerrymandering, RFK Jr. canceling mRNA contracts, and how ICE is spending its new big budget. Plus, the return of Tariff Talk.
 
Sources:
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/01/economy/tariff-more-expensive
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-hikes-india-tariffs-50-percent-buying-russian-oil-rcna223374
 
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-tariffs-take-effect-08-07-25
 
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-tariffs-take-effect-08-07-25#cme17o5l400003b6ns7mwdwnv
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/06/tech/apple-investment-us-trump
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-tariffs-latest-round-takes-effect-thursday-august-7-2025-rcna223461
 
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-tariffs-take-effect-08-07-25
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/06/tech/apple-investment-us-trump
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/i-wont-humiliate-myself-brazils-president-sees-no-point-tariff-talks-with-trump-2025-08-06/
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/aug/05/yvette-cooper-small-boats-migrants-uk-france-home-office-uk-politics-live
 
https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lvnr5fixc22l 
 
https://www.facebook.com/EpiscopalNY/ 
 
https://apnews.com/article/florida-immigration-alligator-alcatraz-27fbae217427be730f589323df7cf656 
 
https://sam.gov/opp/53dc2fa997954c1d8acf8888fd8f0b56/view 
 
https://bi2technologies.com/service/iris/ 
 
https://www.cbs42.com/business/press-releases/cision/20250519NE91508/bi2-technologies-and-support-our-sheriffs-foundation-partner-with-singlecare-to-create-sheriff-rx/ 
 
https://www.secureidnews.com/news-item/el-paso-sheriff-to-use-iris-scanners/?ref=404media.co 
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CMSW25P00000040_7012_-NONE-_-NONE-
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CTD025FR0000036_7012_NNG15SC82B_8000 
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CMSD25P00000047_7012_-NONE-_-NONE- 
 
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/02/capsule-review-ford-svt-raptor-united-states-border-patrol-edition/ 
 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70CMSW25P00000042_7012_-NONE-_-NONE-
 
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/senator-cornyn-says-fbi-will-help-track-down-texas-democrats-who-fled-over-2025-08-07/
 
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/08/03/texas-quorum-breaks-history/
 
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/08/04/texas-democrats-house-warrants-arrest-quorum-break/
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/08/06/nx-s1-5493544/rfk-defunding-mrna-vaccine-research
 
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/nasa-china-space-station-duffy-directives-00492172

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Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #28

Garrison and Mia unravel whether the DHS is posting coded nazi messages, and discuss the limits of treating anti fascism as an easter egg hunt.
 
Sources:
 
https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/
 
https://files.libcom.org/files/[Mark_Fisher]_Capitalist_Realism_Is_There_no_Alte(BookZZ.org).pdf
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trumps-immigration-record-far-high-arrests-low-deportations-rcna217752
 
https://michiganadvance.com/2025/04/09/ice-director-envisions-amazon-like-mass-deportation-system-prime-but-with-human-beings/ 
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-refuses-us-military-flight-deporting-migrants-sources-say-2025-01-25/
 
https://bsky.app/profile/bishonentype.bsky.social/post/3luq3qktltc2n

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Dogwhistle Politics and Nazi Code Hunting

James is joined by Bryce from No More Deaths to discuss the release of a map of border deaths that shows systemic undercounting of the lethal consequences of the USA’s deterrence policy.
 
https://nomoredeaths.org/migrant-death-mapping/

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Mapping Border Deaths

Dana El Kurd sits down with Bushra Khalidi – policy lead at Oxfam – to discuss the aid and humanitarian crisis unfolding across Palestine. They discuss how the devastating hunger and aid restriction happening in Gaza speaks to broader strategies of ethnic cleansing and forced displacement.
 
Sources/Links:
 
Oxfam statement about Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - https://www.oxfamamerica.org/press/more-than-100-organizations-are-sounding-the-alarm-to-allow-lifesaving-aid-into-gaza/
 
Fogbow in Uganda and Sudan - https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/investigations/2025/06/16/fogbow-operations-south-sudan-raise-red-flags-aid-private-sector
 
Bezalel Smotrich’s “Decisive Plan” - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/09/israel-leaders-palestinian-territories-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-7-october
 
Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini on dismantling UNRWA - https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/notes/unrwa-may-be-forced-stop-saving-lives-gaza-will-world-let-happen
 
NPR report on famine in Gaza - https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/25/g-s1-78968/what-does-it-take-for-a-famine-to-be-declared-in-gaza
 
US Green Beret on what he saw at the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites - https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-26/ty-article/i-witnessed-war-crimes-in-gaza-u-s-veteran-and-former-ghf-worker-tells-bbc/00000198-47e0-d6be-a1bd-4ffd67f90000
 
Aljazeera op-ed by former UN official - https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/7/21/why-is-the-un-not-declaring-famine-in-gaza
 
UN reporting on deaths at aid sites - https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165396
 
Dr. Nick Maynard on what he witnessed in Gaza - https://www.channel4.com/news/teenagers-being-shot-by-israeli-soldiers-british-surgeon-in-gaza
 
Suppressing Dissent edited volume - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Suppressing-Dissent/Zaha-Hassan/9781836430971

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Aid as a Tool of War in Gaza feat. Dana El Kurd

Andrew is joined by James to discuss the history and efficacy of anti militarism and anti-war movements.
 
Sources:
 
Anarchist Encyclopedia by Sebastien Faure et al
 
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/james-herod-the-weakness-of-a-politics-of-protest
 
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jeff-shantz-p-j-lilley-striking-against-the-work-war-machine

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Anti-War Movements feat. Andrew

As anti-vax beliefs become increasingly widespread, and vaccination rates drop, the greater the risk of some sort of massive viral outbreak or the return of horrific illnesses such as polio. This episode will explore what could happen if anti-vax beliefs spread further into United States politics and culture.
 
Sources:
 
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9577438/
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/04/10/1168141163/the-dream-of-wiping-out-polio-might-need-a-rethink
 
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20250427/Measles-could-return-to-endemic-status-if-US-vaccination-rates-fall-further.aspx
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/13/health/polio-vaccine-outbreaks.html

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Anti-Vax America: Could It Happen Here?

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