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The Ringer

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay dissect the biggest topics in Black culture, politics, and sports. Two times per week, they will wade into the most important and timely conversations, frequently inviting guests on the podcast and occasionally debating each other.

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Van and Rachel welcome former Ohio senator Nina Turner to hear her thoughts on the Democratic strategy to fight gerrymandering.

(0:00) Intro

(1:32) Snoop & Pixar’s LGBTQ character

(8:54) Bill Maher changes tone on Trump

(22:02) Dean Cain’s ICE training

(30:21) Serena Williams weight loss journey

(43:04) Jussie Smollett doc review 

(58:08) Nina Turner joins the show

Host: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay

Guest: Nina Turner

Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
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Nina Turner and the Democratic Playbook

Rachel and Van start the show by reacting to the predicted increased prices for Sony’s PlayStation 5 and the Cracker Barrel rebranding. Later, they discuss the Texas House of Representatives’ approval of a GOP-centered congressional map and the disturbing release of an Israeli official charged with soliciting a minor in Nevada. They end with the Glaze of the Week and Klay Thompson’s new favorite meal (thank you, Megan Thee Stallion).

00:00 - Welcome!

10:08 - Jury finds Hernandez Govan not guilty of the Young Dolph killing

30:02 - PlayStation 5 prices will increase

36:06 - Cracker Barrel’s rebrand

52:07 - Amateur football leagues

1:01:50 - Target’s CEO steps down

1:09:58 - Texas House approves GOP congressional map

1:26:40 - The Israeli official Nevada sex crime case

1:40:58 - Glaze of the Week

1:53:06 - Klay Thompson’s new favorite meal

1:57:25 - Thanks for watching!

Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith
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Hitting the Target on Target, Cracker Barrel’s Rebrand, and the Reality of Texas’s GOP Congressional Map | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Van and Rachel react to the news of a new ceasefire proposal being accepted by Hamas before welcoming Molly Daniel to the podcast to provide some perspective on the ongoing biracial discussions.

(0:00) Intro

(3:57) Tyla on the ‘coloured’ controversy 

(18:43) Jamie Lee Curtis’ boobs

(25:18) Trump names Kennedy Honorees 

(34:49) Gaza ceasefire proposal

(39:22) Gavin Newsom’s trolling 

(50:33) Kaepernick & Spike Lee ESPN doc 

(53:17) Whitney Houston’s receipts

(58:37) Molly Daniel joins the show

(1:46:14) KKK shirt offends racist 
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The LAST Biracial Conversation With Molly Daniel, Plus the Gaza Ceasefire

Rachel and Van start the show by talking about the differences in sharing food in different locations. They get into some Trump administration updates, like the deployment of the National Guard in D.C. and the administration's partnership with PragerU. Later, they react to some celebrity news, including Sha'Carri Richardson's apology and the drama between Jurnee Smollett and her ex-husband.

00:00 - Welcome!

7:57 - Trump deploys the National Guard in D.C.

37:00 - PragerU to replace PBS

1:09:07 - Sha’Carri Richardson apologizes to Christian Coleman

1:24:06 - Jurnee Smollett’s ex-husband wants a portion of her retirement

1:57:09 - Glaze of the Week

2:02:42 - Thanks for watching!

Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith
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PragerU Replaces PBS, Celebs in Relationship Drama, and the National Guard in D.C. | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Halle Berry’s ex-husband David Justice sparks a gender war after speaking on their divorce. Then, New York Times bestselling author S.A. Cosby joins to discuss his latest novel, ‘King of Ashes’.

(0:00) Intro

(0:32) Van’s Very Serious Question

(20:55) Trump deploys National Guard

(25:49) Shedeur Sanders’ NFL Debut

(46:35) Nancy Mace fact checked

(58:05) David Justice on divorcing Halle Berry 

(1:33:08) S.A. Cosby joins the show

(2:04:29) Israel-Gaza updates

Host: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay

Guest: S.A. Cosby

Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
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Gender Wars: David Justice and Halle Berry, Plus S.A. Cosby’s ‘King of Ashes’

Rachel and Van start the show by reacting to the news of the cancellation of The Howard Stern Show before getting into some one-sided beefs: Donald Trump against Gayle King and Megyn Kelly against Beyoncé. Then, they talk about Diddy’s possible presidential pardon and the threats against the Voting Rights Act before Van gets into the conspiracy happening in the WNBA.

00:00 - Welcome!

 08:44 - The Howard Stern Show is done

 18:57 - Gayle King vs. Trump?

24:17 - BET Hip-Hop and Soul Train Awards suspended indefinitely

45:22 - Megyn Kelly tries to rip Beyoncé

1:00:48 - Diddy’s possible presidential pardon

1:14:22 - Voting Rights Act under threat

1:26:57 - The WNBA dildo-tossing conspiracy

1:37:42 - Van's lovely sister joins us!

 1:41:26 - Thanks for watching!

Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith
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The WNBA Conspiracy, One-Sided Beefs, and Our Voting Rights Under Attack | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Van and Rachel welcome Texas Rep. James Talarico to shed light on the state’s Democrats fleeing to prevent a vote over efforts to add Republican seats.

(0:00) Intro

(8:01) Top 5 White Singing Ladies *since 2010

(9:27) Stephen A. Smith vs. Michelle Obama

(28:42) Rep. James Talarico joins the show

(34:57) The fight against gerrymandering

(41:18) Toughening the Democrats

(1:02:35) Glaze of the Week

(1:15:15) Palantir update

(1:16:15) FEMA to deny grants over Israel boycotts

Host: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay

Guest: Rep. James Talarico

Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
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Rep. James Talarico and the Democratic Fight in Texas, Plus Stephen A. Vs. Michelle Obama

Rachel and Van start the show by running through some quick-hitters, including the internet’s reaction to Sydney Sweeney’s American Eagle commercial, Ari Lennox’s thoughts on Martin’s treatment of Pam, and Kamala Harris’s new book. Then, they talk about new updates to the Israel-Hamas conflict and some reactions to their Hulk Hogan segment last week.

00:00 - Welcome!

00:59 - Sydney Sweeney’s good “jeans”

29:57 - Ari Lennox’s thoughts on Martin and Pam

44:59 - Kamala Harris’s '107 Days'

1:12:28 - The Gaza-Israel Conflict

1:35:14 - Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas 

1:45:32 - Reactions to our Hulk Hogan segment

2:08:38 - Thanks for watching!

Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith
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Sydney Sweeney’s Jeans, Kamala’s '107 Days,' and the Aging of ‘Martin’ Jokes | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Van and Rachel discuss the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Gaza, talk about Dr. Umar’s plea for help, and give N3on an apology rating before Elliott Connie joins to discuss his methods for mental wellness.

(0:00) Intro

(0:45) The Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza

(46:06) Dr. Umar’s Plea for Help

(59:46) N3ON Apology Rating

(1:25:20) Tyler Perry on Ownership & ‘Sinners’

(1:32:30) Elliott Connie Joins the Show

Host: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay

Guest: Elliott Connie

Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
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The Hunger Crisis in Gaza and Solution-Focused Therapy With Elliott Connie

Rachel and Van start the show by talking about the passing of the infamous Hulk Hogan and the complexity of his legacy. Then, the host of Two Personal, Joy Taylor, joins us to talk about processing the surprise cancellation of her show, how she was treated in comparison to her male counterparts, and her opinion of men.

00:00 - Welcome!

00:37 - Hulk Hogan’s passing

03:56 - Joy Taylor joins us

38:57 - Feelings toward Fox

48:58 - Will the dam break?

57:48 - Vulnerably in certain spaces

1:02:18 - Opinion on men

1:56:41 - What does Joy want to build?

2:18:39 - Thanks for watching!

Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Guests: Joy Taylor

Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith
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Gendered Problems and Decentering Men With Joy Taylor! Plus, Thoughts on Hulk Hogan. | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Van and Rachel react to the tragic Texas floods, before switching gears to discuss the conversations coming out of this year’s Essence Festival.

(0:00) Intro

(0:25) Texas Floods

(34:29) Essence Fest 2025

(43:40) Diaspora War

(1:02:07) Epstein Files Update

(1:07:27) Zohran Mamdani, African American

(1:23:43) 4Extra’s 4th of July Accident

(1:33:04) Skip Bayless 

Host: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay

Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
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Tragic Flooding in Texas and the Essence Fest Diaspora Wars

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