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“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. 

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Last Friday, a panel of federal judges denied TikTok’s petition to overturn the law that could force the ban of the app in the United States. We walk through the judges reasoning and explain why TikTok’s First Amendment argument was unsuccessful. Then, Julian Kelly, the director of quantum hardware at Google Quantum AI, explains how close we are to quantum computers that can solve practical problems. Finally, we talk about a new sentiment sweeping Silicon Valley: affection for the chatbot Claude.

 

Guest:

Julian Kelly • , director of quantum hardware at Google Quantum AI.

 

Additional Reading: 

TikTok Faces U.S. Ban After Losing Bid to Overturn New LawQuantum Computing Inches Closer to Reality After Another Google BreakthroughCult of ClaudeDealBook Summit Podcast: The A.I. Revolution • 

 

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TikTok's Last Stand + Google's Quantum Breakthrough + Cult of Claude

Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the wild frontier of tech.

What’s real? What’s hype? “Hard Fork” is here to help you make sense of it. Tune in every Friday.

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What’s a Hard Fork?

The $44 billion Twitter deal is back on the table — and Casey isn’t buying it. Kevin looks for friends in the Metaverse. And the “Hard Fork Transparency Report” debuts. 

You can read Kashmir Hill’s story here: "This Is Life in the Metaverse."

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Elon’s Hidden Motives + A Meetup in the Metaverse

Meta is in the fight of its life — and Mark Zuckerberg hopes VR is the answer. Hmmm. Plus, an existential threat to the gig economy and the wildest news in artificial intelligence.

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Legs Are Coming + $36 Burritos + Shocking AI News

We sit down with the founder of Stability AI, Emad Mostaque, on the heels of his $101 million fund-raising round. His open-source Stable Diffusion image generator is the key to unlocking creativity, he says, and “one of the ultimate tools for freedom of expression” — as long as it stays out of the hands of a few censorious tech giants. So what’s this former hedge fund manager turned tech mogul thinking about how this technology could be used — or misused? Plus: A.I. Kevin and A.I. Casey stop by.

On today’s episode

Emad Mostaque • , the chief executive of Stability AI

Additional resources

 • “
Eshoo Urges N.S.A. & O.S.T.P. to Address Unsafe A.I. Practices • ” (Press Release, Representative Anna Eshoo of California)
 • “
This artist is dominating A.I.-generated art. And he’s not happy about it. • ” (Melissa Heikkilä, M.I.T. Technology Review)
 • “
A Coming-Out Party for Generative A.I., Silicon Valley’s New Craze • ” (Kevin Roose, The New York Times)

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Generative AI is Here. Who Should Control It?

We look into the company’s weird new future with Times tech reporter Kate Conger. Plus, how Apple is single-handedly deciding the future of the digital economy, and a social media death watch. 

Guest today:

Kate Conger • , a technology reporter in the San Francisco bureau of The New York Times

Additional resources: 

 • Elon Musk has 
closed the $44 billion deal to own Twitter. • In the lead up to the deadline to complete the acquisition of the social media service, Elon Musk 
visited Twitter’s San Francisco office • and 
sought to reassure advertisers • about his plans for the platform through a Tweet.
 • Spotify has struggled to bring audiobooks onto its platform 
after Apple rejected Spotify’s new app three times. • The CEO of Altimeter Capital, the hedge fund and Meta shareholder, wrote a critical 
open letter to Meta and Mark Zuckerberg.

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Emergency Pod: Elon Musk Owns Twitter

“We cross our fingers and hope to make it through another day.” Twitter hasn’t spoken publicly since Elon Musk bought the company a week ago. But inside, employees describe a mood of fear, chaos, stress and bizarre requests to print out code.

Additional Resources:

 • Members of Elon Musk’s inner circle, including the podcast hosts David Sacks, Jason Calacanis and Sriram Krishnan, are 
advising Mr. Musk on changes at Twitter • .
 • Engineers at Twitter were told to 
print out their most recent software code • to show to Mr. Musk.
 • Under pressure to increase revenue, Mr. Musk considered 
making Twitter users pay • to keep their verification badges. The acclaimed horror author 
Stephen King was not thrilled • by the idea.
 • Twitter’s chief customer officer, Sarah Personette, and several other 
executives have left the company • in recent days.
 • Mr. Musk faces 
financial challenges • in owning Twitter.

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Life Under Musk: Two Twitter Employees Speak Out

This week, we go inside Elon Musk’s “dire” warnings, FTX’s spectacular collapse and Meta’s big layoffs. Has the tech industry lost its mind?

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Additional Resources:

 • Elon Musk told Twitter employees the company 
faced a bleak financial picture • in a meeting with staff on Thursday and in his first companywide emails.
 • The world’s largest crypto exchange, Binance, said it had reached a deal to 
buy its competitor FTX • , which was on the verge of collapse. The news about FTX had left 
crypto investors scrambling • .
 • Is the collapse of FTX 
crypto’s Lehman Brothers moment • ?
 • Meta announced 
layoffs of 11,000 employees • , accounting for about 13 percent of its work force.

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A Verified Mess: Turmoil from Twitter to FTX

The balance sheet contains an apology, the in-house coach is concerned that company executives are “undersexed” and billions in customer funds remain in jeopardy. The wreckage at FTX goes from bad to worse.

Plus: Elon’s “extremely hardcore” plan for Twitter 2.0.

Additional Resources:

 • George K. Lerner, 
FTX’s in-house performance coach • , said he was shocked by the collapse of FTX.
 • In an interview with Matt Levine, a Bloomberg columnist, Sam Bankman-Fried described his strategy to 
restore faith in the crypto ecosystem • .
 • Bankman-Fried reflected on his actions as chief executive of FTX in a 
series of Twitter messages • with Kelsey Piper, a Vox reporter.
 • Elon Musk told Twitter employees in an email that the company would become an “
extremely hardcore • ” operation. Employees were asked to click yes to be part of the new Twitter or take severance.
Musk’s social calendar • includes courting comedians and hopping on yachts.

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A Hard Fork in the Road: FTX’s Unraveling and Elon’s Loyalty Oath

Elon Musk accuses Apple of trying to sabotage Twitter. But after his visit with Apple’s C.E.O., Tim Cook, things are … good? Then, the New York Times reporter Paul Mozur on the tactics Chinese protesters are deploying to avoid the most sophisticated censorship apparatus in the world.

Plus: S.B.F. says it’s been a “bad month.”

Additional Reading:

 • Elon Musk 
accused Apple • of threatening to pull Twitter from its App Store and tweeted about Apple’s “
secret 30 percent tax • ” on developers for in-app purchases. The company has again delayed the launch of Twitter Blue as it seeks a way to 
avoid paying • Apple’s 30 percent fee for the service.
 • Later, Musk said the 
“misunderstanding” with Apple had been resolved • after he met with the company’s C.E.O., Tim Cook, at Apple’s headquarters.
 • Layoffs at Twitter 
gutted the company’s child safety team • , which is responsible for removing child exploitation.
 • Musk offered a “
general amnesty • ” for over 60,000 banned accounts on Twitter.
Protests in China • rippled throughout the country, and citizens found ways to 
get around the Chinese censorship apparatus • .
 • On Wednesday, 
Sam Bankman-Fried appeared for an interview • with Andrew Ross Sorkin at the DealBook Summit.

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Elon’s Two-Day War with Apple + How to Beat an A.I. Censor + S.B.F.’s ‘Bad Month’

TikTok is opening up a “Transparency and Accountability Center” to try to win over skeptics. Is the company’s strategy working? Then, the origin story of OpenAI’s ChatGPT and how the company kicked off an A.I. arms race.

Plus: A co-founder of Instagram, Kevin Systrom, hopes to make a “TikTok for text.”

On today’s episode:

 • Kevin Systrom is an entrepreneur and the co-founder of Instagram.

Additional reading:

 • TikTok is taking a 
more aggressive • approach toward lobbying.
 • Inside 
OpenAI’s race • to build ChatGPT.
 • Kevin Systrom is starting a new 
A.I.-powered news app • .

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A Trip to TikTok + ChatGPT’s Origin Story + Kevin Systrom’s Comeback

A Trip to TikTok + ChatGPT’s Origin Story + Kevin Systrom’s Comeback

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