All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series. When you think about building a plan (and budget!) for your security program, do you lead with risk, maturity, or something else? Check out this post for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week’s episode co-hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), the producer of CISO Series, and Steve Zalewski. Our guest is Ngozi Eze, CISO, Levi Strauss. Thanks to our podcast sponsor, runZero

runZero is the cyber asset management solution that helps you find and identify every managed and unmanaged asset connected to your network and in the cloud. Get the data and context needed to effectively manage and secure your environment. Try runZero for free at runzero.com. In this episode: • When you think about building a plan (and budget!) for your security program, do you lead with risk, maturity, or something else? • What's the overall theme you lead with when you're building a security program? • Why is it an important question to answer before you build your program? • How greatly can it vary?