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Hannah Fry

Join mathematician and broadcaster Professor Hannah Fry as she goes behind the scenes of the world-leading research lab to uncover the extraordinary ways AI is transforming our world. No hype. No spin, just compelling discussions and grand scientific ambition.

DeepMind: The Podcast

In part two, Hannah and Four tackle the human element at the heart of cybersecurity: Who are the bad actors, and what motivates them? They dissect the evolving strategies designed to stop social engineering attacks - like passkeys and risk-based authentication - and confront the complex security and privacy challenges that may be introduced by autonomous agents. Please leave us a review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts if you enjoyed
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Pt.2 Beyond Phishing: Cyber Threats in the Age of AI with Four Flynn

Further reading:

 • CodeMender: https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/introducing-codemender-an-ai-agent-for-code-security/
 • Cybersecurity at Google: https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/ai-security-frontier-strategy-tools/
 • Threat intelligence report: https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/adversarial-misuse-generative-ai

Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to: 

 • Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry 
 • Series Producer: Dan Hardoon 
 • Editor: Rami Tzabar 
 • Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif 
 • Music composition: Eleni Shaw 
 • Audio engineer: Richard Courtice 
 • Video editor: Bilal Merhi 
 • Audio engineer: Perry Rogantin 
 • Visual identity: Rob Ashley 
 • Commissioned by Google DeepMind

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Pt.1 Beyond Phishing: Cyber Threats in the Age of AI with Four Flynn

In this episode, Professor Hannah Fry speaks with Jack Parker-Holder and Shlomi Fruchter about Genie 3, a general-purpose world model that can generate an unprecedented diversity of interactive environments. The conversation covers how this model's auto-regressive nature allows for the creation of consistent, explorable worlds from text or image prompts, and how its capabilities differ from video generation models like Veo. 

Further reading

Genie 3SIMA, A generalist AI agent for 3D virtual environmentsSIMA, Google DeepMind: The PodcastxLand

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Genie 3: An Infinite World Model with Shlomi Fruchter and Jack Parker-Holder

This week's episode is a slight departure from our usual deep dives. Join Paige Bailey, DevRel lead, as she guides Hannah Fry though some of her favorite AI tools. Having spent years understanding the 'what' of these models, Hannah finally gets to experience the 'how’ – from generating prompts and 'vibe coding', to creating her own version of the infamous spaghetti meme.

Learn more and try the tools yourself:

 • Gemini: 
https://gemini.google.com/ • Google Labs: 
https://labs.google/ • AI Studio: 
https://aistudio.google.com/ • Veo 3: 
https://deepmind.google/models/veo/ • Flow: 
https://labs.google/flow/
Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to: 

 • Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry
 • Series Producer: Dan Hardoon
 • Editor: Rami Tzabar
 • Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif
 • Music composition: Eleni Shaw
 • Audio engineer: Richard Courtice
 • Production Manager: Dan Lazard
 • Studio Manager: Nicholas Duke
 • Video Director: Bernardo Resende
 • Video Editor: Bilal Merhi
 • Audio Engineer: Perry Rogantin
 • Camera and Lighting Operator: Robert Messere
 • Production Coordination: Zoey Roberts, Sarah Ellen Morton
 • Visual Identity and Design: Rob Ashley
 • Commissioned by Google DeepMind

Please leave us a review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts if you enjoyed this episode. We always want to hear from our audience whether that's in the form of feedback, new idea or a guest recommendation! 

 

 
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A Whistle Stop Tour of AI Creation with Paige Bailey

Further reading:

 • Natural forests of the world: 
paper • , 
data and benchmarks • Forest loss drivers: 
paper, • 
summary from WRI • , and blog from 
GFW • Forest loss drivers code: 
Google Earth Engine • ; at 
WRI • ; at 
GFW • ; or 
Zenodo • . 
 • Deep learning based remote sensing (open source): 
Jeo • , 
GeeFlow • Species mapping paper: 
Arxiv • Google resources: 
Google Earth Engine • . 
Agri with Google • , 
wildlife cameras • Perch: 
code, • 
paper • Perch x coral reefs: 
Blog • Agile Modelling: 
paper • , 
code • DolphinGemma: 
blog
 

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The Nature of AI: Solving the Planet's Data Gap with Drew Purves

In this episode, host Hannah Fry is joined by Max Jaderberg and Rebecca Paul of Isomorphic Labs to explore the future of drug discovery in the age of AI. They discuss how new technology, particularly AlphaFold 3, is revolutionizing the field by predicting the structure of life’s molecules, paving the way for faster and more efficient drug discovery.

They dig into the immense complexities of designing new drugs: How do you find the right molecular key for the right biological lock? How can AI help scientists understand disease better and overcome challenges like drug toxicity? And what about the diseases that are currently considered “undruggable”? Finally, they explore the ultimate impact of this technology, from the future of personalised medicine to the ambitious goal of being able to eventually design treatments for all diseases.

Further reading: 

 • AlphaFold 3: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07487-w 
 • AlphaFold Server: https://alphafoldserver.com/ 
 • Isomorphic Labs: https://www.isomorphiclabs.com/ 
 • AlphaFold 3 code and weights: https://github.com/google-deepmind/alphafold3

Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to: 

 • Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry 
 • Series Producer: Dan Hardoon 
 • Editor: Rami Tzabar 
 • Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif 
 • Music composition: Eleni Shaw 
 • Audio engineer: Richard Courtice 
 • Production Manager: Dan Lazard 
 • Studio Manager: Nicholas Duke 
 • Video Director: Bernardo Resende 
 • Video Editor: Bilal Merhi 
 • Audio Engineer: Perry Rogantin 
 • Camera and Lighting Operator: Robert Messere 
 • Production Coordination: Zoey Roberts, Sarah Ellen Morton 
 • Visual Identity and Design: Rob Ashley 
 • Commissioned by Google DeepMind

Please leave us a review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts if you enjoyed this episode. We always want to hear from our audience whether that's in the form of feedback, new idea or a guest recommendation! 

 

 
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A Quest for a Cure: AI Drug Design with Isomorphic Labs

In this episode, Hannah is joined by Carolina Parada, Senior Director and Head of Robotics at Google DeepMind. They explore the recent leap forward in robotic capabilities, highlighting advancements in multimodal understanding and embodied reasoning, which enable robots to interact with the physical world with unprecedented generality.

They dig into the two-system approach - ‘slow and fast thinking‘ - that enables both complex reasoning and rapid, reactive movements. Using examples from robots learning dexterous tasks such as tying shoelaces to adapting to entirely new scenarios in real-time, Parada highlights how key breakthroughs in understanding, dexterity, and control are now coming together to rapidly advance robotics unlike ever before.

Further reading/viewing:

Gemini RoboticsAdvances in robot dexterityGemini Robotics x YouTube 
Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to:

 • Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry
 • Series Producer: Dan Hardoon
 • Editor: Rami Tzabar
 • Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif
 • Music: Eleni Shaw
 • Audio Engineer: Richard Courtice
 • Production Manager: Dan Lazard
 • Video Studio Production: Nicholas Duke Video
 • Director: Bernardo Resende
 • Video Editor: Bilal Merhi
 • Audio Engineer: Perry Rogantin
 • Camera and Lighting Operator: Robert Messere
 • Production Coordination: Zoey Roberts, Sarah Ellen Morton
 • Visual Identity and Design: Rob Ashley
 • Commissioned by Google DeepMind

Please leave us a review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts if you enjoyed this episode. We always want to hear from our audience whether that's in the form of feedback, new idea or a guest recommendation!

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Redefining Robotics with Carolina Parada

In this episode, Professor Hannah Fry interviews Joelle Barral, Senior Director of Research at Google DeepMind, about AI in healthcare. They discuss existing AI applications including image analysis for diabetic retinopathy and the expansion of diagnostic tools as a result of multi-modal models. The conversation highlights AI's potential to improve healthcare delivery, personalize treatment, expand access worldwide, and ultimately, bring back the joy of practicing medicine.

Further reading:

Med-Gemini AMIE
Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to: 

 • Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry
 • Series Producer: Dan Hardoon
 • Editor: Rami Tzabar
 • Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif
 • Music: Eleni Shaw
 • Audio Engineer: Richard Courtice
 • Production Manager: Dan Lazard
 • Video Studio Production: Nicholas Duke Video
 • Director: Bernardo Resende
 • Video Editor: Bilal Merhi
 • Audio Engineer: Perry Rogantin
 • Camera and Lighting Operator: Robert Messere
 • Production Coordination: Zoey Roberts, Sarah Ellen Morton
 • Visual Identity and Design: Rob Ashley
 • Commissioned by Google DeepMind

Please leave us a review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts if you enjoyed this episode. We always want to hear from our audience whether that's in the form of feedback, new idea or a guest recommendation! 

 

 
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AI and the Future of Health with Joelle Barral

In this episode, Hannah is once again joined by Murray Shanahan, Professor of Cognitive Robotics at Imperial College London and Principal Scientist at Google DeepMind, for a philosophical deep dive on AI. They explore everything from consciousness and metacognition in animals, to symbolic AI and neural networks. Murray also shares insights into his involvement with the film 'Ex Machina' and discusses the idea of reasoning, anthropomorphism, and the future of AI.

Further reading / listening: 

 • Toward the future, S1 Ep 7: 
https://youtu.be/yf31XT1G1RQ?si=6mAEsQhKwKPWk9oH
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Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to: 

 • Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry
 • Series Producer: Dan Hardoon
 • Editor: Rami Tzabar
 • Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif
 • Music composition: Eleni Shaw
 • Audio engineer: Richard Courtice
 • Production Manager: Dan Lazard
 • Video Director: Bernardo Resende
 • Video Editor: Alex Baro Cayetano, Bilal Merhi
 • Audio Engineer: Richard Courtice
 • Camera and Lighting Operator: Robert Messere
 • Production Coordination: Zoey Roberts, Sarah Ellen Morton
 • Visual Identity and Design: Rob Ashley
 • Commissioned by Google DeepMind

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Consciousness, Reasoning and the Philosophy of AI with Murray Shanahan

In this episode of Google DeepMind: The Podcast, VP of Reinforcement Learning, David Silver, describes his vision for the future of AI, exploring the concept of the "era of experience" versus the current "era of human data". Using AlphaGo and AlphaZero as examples, he highlights how these systems surpassed human capabilities by engaging in reinforcement learning without prior human knowledge. This approach contrasts with large language models, which depend on human data and feedback. Silver emphasizes the need to explore this path to drive AI progress and achieve artificial superintelligence.

Timestamps 

 • 00:00 Introduction
 • 01:50 Era of experience
 • 03:45 AlphaZero
 • 10:19 Move 37
 • 15:20 Reinforcement learning and human feedback
 • 24:30 AlphaProof
 • 29:50 Math Olympiads
 • 35:00 Experience based methods
 • 42:56 Hannah's reflections
 • 44:00 Fan Hui joins

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Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to: 

 • Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry
 • Series Producer: Dan Hardoon
 • Series Editor: Rami Tzabar
 • Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif
 • Music Composition: Eleni Shaw
 • Audio Engineer: Richard Courtice
 • Production Manager: Dan Lazard
 • Video Director and Editor: Bernardo Resende
 • Video Studio Production: Nicholas Duke
 • Video Editor: Bilal Merhi
 • Audio Engineer: Perry Rogantin
 • Camera and Lighting Operator: Robert Messere
 • Production Coordination: Zoey Roberts, Sarah Ellen Morton
 • Visual Identity and Design: Rob Ashley
 • Commissioned by Google DeepMind

Please leave us a review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts if you enjoyed this episode. We always want to hear from our audience whether that's in the form of feedback, new idea or a guest recommendation! 

 

 
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Is Human Data Enough? With David Silver

What can the human brain teach us about AI? And what can AI teach us about our own intelligence? These questions underpin a lot of AI research. In this first episode, Hannah meets the DeepMind Neuroscience team to explore these connections and discovers how our brains are like birds’ wings, what training a dog and an AI agent have in common, and why the simplest things for people to do are, paradoxically, often the hardest for machines.

If you have a question or feedback on the series, message us on Twitter (@DeepMind using the hashtag #DMpodcast) or email us at podcast@deepmind.com.

Further reading

BBC: An AI playlistWait But Why: The AI RevolutionCoursera: AI for everyoneMedium: Machine Learning for HumansGoogle Arts & Culture: 25 moments that have defined AIRoyal Society: What is Machine Learning?The Algorithm: A weeklyemail newsletter from MIT Tech ReviewDeepMind blog: neuroscience and AI: a virtuous circleNature: Far-sighted birds plan breakfast the evening before
Interviewees in this episode: Deepmind CEO and co-founder, Demis Hassabis; Matt Botvinick, Director of Neuroscience Research; research scientists Jess Hamrick and Greg Wayne; and Director of Research, Koray Kavukcuoglu.

Credits:
Presenter: Hannah Fry
Editor: David Prest
Senior Producer: Louisa Field
Producers: Amy Racs, Dan Hardoon
Binaural Sound: Lucinda Mason-Brown
Music composition: Eleni Shaw (with help from Sander Dieleman and WaveNet)
Commissioned by DeepMind

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AI and Neuroscience: The virtuous circle

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