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The DSR Network

This podcast will take you on a smart, direct, sometimes scary, sometimes profane, sometimes hilarious tour of the inner workings of American power and of the impact of our leaders and their policies on our standing in the world. Hosted by noted author and commentator David Rothkopf and featuring regulars Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of AEI, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times, the program will be the lively, smart dinner table conversation on the big issues of the day that you wish you were having...without the calories. Sometimes special guests will join the conversation and always the emphasis will be on providing the unvarnished perspectives others shy away from. Deep State Radio is the insider perspective on American national security and foreign policy that you can't find anywhere else.

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Deep State Radio

Original air date: July 30, 2025

You’ve probably heard that President Trump and the European Union have reached a big trade deal. This is being widely portrayed as a “win” for Trump and a big humiliation for the EU. But it’s not at all clear what we gain as a country from this deal. Surely the phrase “Trump won” has to mean more than “Trump gets to claim a personal victory and the media is required to play along,” right? We talked to economist Paul Krugman, who has a great new piece on his Substack casting a lot of much-needed skepticism on the deal. Krugman explains in extensive detail what a sham it is: He argues that Europe’s concessions are fake; that the deal won’t spur a lot more manufacturing in the United States; and that its burden will fall heavily on MAGA, making it a “scam on his voters.” Krugman also discusses why the media seems incapable of reporting clearly and accurately on the magnitude of Trump’s incompetence and delusions. 

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Best of the Daily Blast: Paul Krugman Brutally Wrecks Trump’s Europe Deal: “Scam on His Voters”

“Thank God for South Park.” Words Matter is back for another weekly edition of political therapy with Dr. Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf. Tune in as Norm and David discuss the current administration’s attacks on education, their ever-increasing political abuses, and how South Park is doing a better job than the Democratic party at laying bare the horrors of this administration.

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Words Matter: Cartman is the New Walter Cronkite

On the DSR Daily for Thursday, we discuss the new 100% tariff on imported computer chips, Tulsi Gabbard declassifying documents despite CIA objections, Trump’s threats to send the National Guard to DC, and more. 
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The DSR Daily for August 7: Trump Admin’s Wild New Chips Tariff

Original air date: June 2, 2025

Ming Li Hui, who goes by the name of “Carol,” has lived for 20 years in the town of Kennett, Missouri, after coming here from Hong Kong. She has been raising a family there and works as a waitress—and as The New York Times reports in a piece featuring quotes from Carol and many locals, she’s well-liked in the community. But Carol was recently arrested and now faces potential deportation. This has shocked and dismayed many of the town’s residents, even though the area went overwhelmingly for Trump. Carol talked to us on the podcast straight from jail, where she is awaiting her fate. At times the conversation was difficult: She broke down in tears about her ordeal, was emotionally overwhelmed at the support she’s received from the Trump-backing town, and offers wrenching thoughts about Trump’s effort to deport countless others just like her.

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Best of the Daily Blast: Trump Arrest of Immigrant Triggers Shock and Regret in Small MAGA Town

Trump is turning up the heat on Russia — or is he? Trump has had some harsh words and severe threats for Vladimir Putin over the invasion of Ukraine, but we don’t know what the President will really do when push comes to shove. Max Boot and Kori Schake join David Rothkopf to cut through the bluster to see what this new rhetoric really means for Ukraine. 
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Has Trump Really Changed His Tone on Russia? Really?

On the DSR Daily for Wednesday, we break down Steve Witkoff’s meeting with Vladimir Putin, Gov. Abbott’s attempt to expel the House Democratic leader in Texas, a Trump admin strategy meeting to discuss strategy around the Epstein files, and more. 
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The DSR Daily for August 6: Russia and US Hold Talks on Ukraine

On the DSR Daily for Tuesday, we cover Netanyahu’s plans to fully occupy Gaza, the State Department’s program to require bonds for some visa applicants, the ongoing showdown in Texas, and more. 
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The DSR Daily for August 5: Netanyahu Vows to Occupy Gaza

On the DSR Daily for Monday we discuss the showdown over redistricting in Texas, the White House firing the BLS commissioner, Trump’s India threats, and more. 
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The DSR Daily for August 4: Democrat and Republican Showdown in Texas

On the DSR Weekly Wrap-Up for August 1, we break down Trump’s new slate of tariffs, turmoil in Gaza, the administration’s waffling on Russia, and more. 
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The DSR Weekly Wrap-Up: New Tariff Upheaval

On Thursday, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt delivered one of her most obsequious, fawning tirades about President Trump yet. She credited him with single-handedly resolving a half dozen major geopolitical conflicts around the world, and angrily asserted that it’s high time Trump is granted the Nobel Peace Prize. It’s no accident that this came amid new polling evidence that Trump’s coalition is falling apart in a freshly dangerous way for him, as documented in a great new piece by New Republic senior editor Alex Shephard. In today’s episode, Shephard explains how the numbers show key constituencies getting away from him. We discuss all the ways Leavitt’s North Korea-style propaganda actually works against Trump by reinforcing the emperor-has-no-clothes vibe around him, why the press is reluctant to tell the truth about his unpopularity, how Democrats need to stop treating him as if he’s invincible, and what that should look like.
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The Daily Blast: Trump Press Sec’s Weird Fawning Rant Goes Awry as Poll Slide Worsens

Congress is supposed to be the preeminent branch of government but in foreign policy and technology issues it often feels woefully behind. Grant and Zoe talk about this issue with Geo Saba, Chief of Staff to Ro Khanna (CA-17), and about his experience working on Capitol Hill. 
In our final segment, Zoe discusses the success of the DART program, Geo Saba talks about the Nobel Prize winners in Physics, and Grant talks about the ongoing crisis in Haiti.
 
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