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The DSR Network

This podcast will take you on a smart, direct, sometimes scary, sometimes profane, sometimes hilarious tour of the inner workings of American power and of the impact of our leaders and their policies on our standing in the world. Hosted by noted author and commentator David Rothkopf and featuring regulars Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of AEI, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times, the program will be the lively, smart dinner table conversation on the big issues of the day that you wish you were having...without the calories. Sometimes special guests will join the conversation and always the emphasis will be on providing the unvarnished perspectives others shy away from. Deep State Radio is the insider perspective on American national security and foreign policy that you can't find anywhere else.

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Yesterday, on September 10th, 2025, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Today, September 11th, marks the 24th anniversary of the largest terrorist attack in U.S. history. Laurie Garrett joins David Rothkopf and Norm Ornstein in a sincere conversation to memorialize 9/11, as well as discuss the tough challenges we’ve faced since, including the alarming upwards trend of political violence.

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Words Matter: Post-9/11 We Tried to Unite, Following the Kirk Shooting it’s the Opposite

On the DSR Daily for Thursday, we break down the assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah, the UK firing the ambassador to the US, worsening inflation in the US, and more. 
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DSR Daily September 11: Charlie Kirk Killed in Utah

GOP Congresswoman Nancy Mace lost her temper on the House floor on Wednesday. It all started when Mace unleashed a long, vile tirade about transgender Americans. After that, Congresswoman Sara Jacobs, a Democrat, offered some cutting criticism of the absurdity of GOP anti-trans rhetoric. That prompted Mace to fly into a fury and start shouting. We think this is a telling moment: We’re all supposed to just put up with it while the right unleashes nonstop vitriol and hate. But when a Democrat offers admittedly provocative pushback—albeit something that doesn’t come close to routine right wing rhetoric—it’s taken as this enormous affront, as if the Earth has been knocked off its axis. We talked to Representative Jacobs about the exchange, what we can learn from it, why she takes rhetoric like this personally, and how Democrats should navigate the complexities of the overall issue. 

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The Daily Blast: Nancy Mace Erupts in Fury on House Floor after Dem’s Speech Hits Home

Israel’s surprise strike on Qatar is yet another in a series of Israeli attacks fueling turmoil in the Middle East. What is Netanyahu’s strategy here? Why is Israel now so flagrantly attacking American allies? What does this all reveal about Trump’s foreign policy and the respect (or lack of) other leaders have for him? Middle East scholar Shibley Telhami and former Israeli diplomat Alon Pinkas join David Rothkopf and Rosa Brooks to analyze all of this and more.

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When it Comes to the Middle East, This Trump is Crazier than the Last Trump

Democratic leadership doesn’t seem to be up to the challenge of this new Trump era. Despite some strong Democratic figures fighting back, the party has been lethargic to say the least. So what do Democrats need to do to reenergize? Tara McGowan and Simon Rosenberg are back with David Rothkopf to diagnose the problem and prescribe solutions to cure this malaise. 
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NTK: It's Time for an End to the Bland Leading the Bland in the Democratic Party

On the DSR Daily for Wednesday we discuss Israeli strikes in Qatar, a Supreme Court ruling pausing a lower court order on foreign aid, Russian drones shot down in Poland, and more. 
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DSR Daily September 10: Israel Strikes in Qatar

House Democrats have released Jeffrey Epstein’s “Birthday Book,” and it’s brutal for President Trump. His note to Epstein is real and it appears to bear his distinctive signature. There’s also an image of Epstein holding a big check that discusses selling a “fully depreciated” woman to Trump. On Tuesday, press secretary Karoline Leavitt, visibly irritated, offered some truly absurd spin about Trump’s signature on the note to Epstein, throwing in obsequious praise to boot. She dodged a question about the check with rank misdirection while curtly brushing off further queries. The upshot: White House spin looked comically awful throughout. Leavitt flashed anger at other points, accusing reporters of ignoring serious crimes and of being dishonest about Trump’s militarization of Washington, DC. We talked to MSNBC’s Steve Benen, author of Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans’ War on the Recent Past. We discuss why MAGA deceptions on Epstein are worse than usual, what that says about the evolution of the right-wing disinformation machine, and where this scandal is going next.

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The Daily Blast: Trump Press Sec Seethes as Epstein Spin Falls Apart in Briefing Fiasco

On the DSR Daily for Tuesday, we break down the evacuation order for Gaza City, the House Oversight Committee releasing more Epstein-related documents, a significant Supreme Court ruling, and more. 
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DSR Daily September 9: Israel Orders Evacuation of Gaza City

After a pause over the summer, we’re restarting the AI, Energy and Climate Podcast with a conversation between Jennifer Granholm, former U.S. Secretary of Energy and Governor of Michigan, and host David Sandalow. Sec. Granholm explains why she’s an “AI optimist,” sounds several notes of caution on AI and describes where she agrees and disagrees with Trump administration policies. 

AI for Climate Change Mitigation Roadmap -- https://www.icef.go.jp/roadmap and transitiondigital.org/ai-climate-roadmap.
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AI, Energy and Climate: Jennifer Granholm: Reflections of an AI Optimist

On the DSR Daily for Monday, we discuss Trump’s gestures at war over National Guard deployments, detained Hyundai workers to be flown back to South Korea, the killing of six in a deadly shooting in Jerusalem, and more. 
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DSR Daily September 8: Is Trump Threatening War in Chicago?

“Everyday is a three legged stool of fear, joy and self-loathing:” our favorite espionage author David McCloskey (Twitter: @mccloskeybooks) joins Marc to discuss his new book “The Seventh Floor” and the painful yet rewarding process of writing a best selling novel. Plus, CIA pranks, friendships forged in training, tradecraft that is (almost) real, and more on our favorite case officer, Artemis Proctor. And finally, woe to David’s Cleveland Indians.
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AAI: A Chat With "Poet Laureate" of the CIA Ops Office Cadre, David McCloskey

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