“A clown show”

September 17th, 2025, 5pm: On Capitol Hill, House Democrats grilled FBI Director Kash Patel on his handling the Epstein files. One of those representatives, Democratic Congressman Dan Goldman joins Nicolle Wallace, to discuss Patel’s evasive answers and his apparent willingness to indulge Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that the birthday book is fake. Plus, she and our political experts discuss President Obama’s warning of a “political crisis” in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s killing.

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