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Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

The DarkHorse Podcast is hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Bret and Heather both have PhDs in biology, and they seek truth and explore a wide variety of topics with their evolutionary toolkit as society loses its footing. Tune in to infamous spreaders of "Covid Disinformation" Bret and Heather for a podcast—maybe you'll like what you see!

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In this 256th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

In this week’s episode, we discuss resistance to Make America Healthy Again, and how beliefs that were once unspeakable become speakable. It used to be impossible to speak about the risks of fluoride in the water; now it’s not. It used to be impossible to question the safety of Mercury in vaccines; now it’s not. How safe is Aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines? Goliath assures us it’s safe; we look at the research that has been done, and find otherwise. We are betting our lives, and our children’s lives, on four rabbits and a dude. 

We also discuss the polio vaccine, and GLP-1 RAs, more familiarly known as Ozempic and its chemical kin. Similar to the mRNA shots for Covid (wherein Uracil was replaced with Pseudouridine), GLP-1RAs are similar but not identical to a naturally occurring human hormone, but have been altered to be more “stable” and last longer in the body.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Secret campaign to disrupt MAHA: https://x.com/holden_culotta/status/1869206497013698823

Karstens 2024. History of Salk Inactivated Polio vaccine: https://www.malone.news/p/inconvenient-history-of-salk-inactivated

Why we should welcome the lab leak theory: https://unherd.com/2021/06/why-we-should-welcome-the-lab-leak-theory/

Rogers 2019. The Political Economy of Autism: https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/20198/Rogers_T_thesis.pdf

Pharma darlings: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/pharma-darlings

Giant Herbs & Tea: http://www.giant-herbs.com

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Follow the White Rabbit(s): The 256th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Bret Weinstein speaks with Senator Ron Johnson on the subject of corruption present in COVID policies and American politics in general. They question who the “puppet masters” are and review what RFK Jr.’s stance on vaccines could bring to the upcoming administration. Finally, Bret and Senator Johnson, notorious COVID dissidents, end their discussion by considering the possibility of Fauci receiving a pardon. 

Find Senator Ron Johnson on X: http://x.com/RonJohnsonWI

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Mentioned in this Episode:
- Oxford study claiming COVID to be a bad flu season https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates

- May 2020 Senator held a hearing https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/hearings/covid-19-how-new-information-should-drive-policy/

- “The Real Anthony Fauci” by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. https://amzn.to/3Du4J9H (commission earned)

- “The Wuhan Cover-Up” by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. https://amzn.to/49RARA2 (commission earned)

- “What the Nurses Saw” by Ken McCarthy https://amzn.to/3VQVYga (commission earned)

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Senator Ron Johnson on the DarkHorse Podcast

In this week’s episode, we review the past year on DarkHorse, recalling stories about Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (the former president of Harvard, Boeing, Kamala Harris, Secret Service, tortillas); food (seed oils, tallow, and types of fat; the food compass; microbeef sushi; the perfect potato); pharma (vaccines and the CDC, Ozempic, Bovear, sunscreen); the Earth’s magnetic field and pole shifts; the WHO; the need for natural history museums; gender ideology (WPATH, pup handlers, the Olympics, Imane Khelif); immigration and the southern border; Julian Assange’s release; the First Amendment and the Supreme Court; the election, Rescue the Republic, and Unity; and some cool biology (octopi have old sex chromosomes; fish with “legs” that can taste; an orangutan who heals wounds with leaves; and frogs in saunas). Then: predictable fissures are arising in the MAGA – MAHA – Unity coalition. How should we think about them, and how can we protect MAHA from a battle between food and pharma? Proposal: Informed Consent and Liability.

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New fabulous studio art by Teresa Smith: www.teresasmith.com

DarkHorse 2024 livestreams: Harvard (206), Boeing (208), Kamala Harris (247 & 251), Secret Service (235), folic acid (246), polyunsaturated fats (207), seed oils (251), tallow (254), diet (211), food compass (241), microbeef sushi (212), biotech potatoes (226), CDC (215), Francis Collins (244), Ozempic (225, 238, 254, 256), dry fasting (252), Bovear (253), sunscreen (233), Earth’s magnetic field (225), The WHO’s Pandemic Treaty (227, 257), museums (213, 234), WPATH (216), pup handlers (235), Olympics (236), Imane Khelif (237), immigration (210), Assange (231), First Amendment (217), Rescue the Republic (238, 244, 245), octopus (219), legs that taste (248), orang heal thyself (224), frog saunas (233).

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Looking Back and Looking Forward: The 258th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we discuss the Palisades Fire in Los Angeles, which has destroyed the neighborhood where Heather grew up. Why does California burn, how are fires different now than they used to be, what happens now? We discuss the Getty Villa and Palisades Village, and why we should care what happens to a wealthy neighborhood in West LA. Also: did the LA Fire Chief drinking the DEI Kool-Aid contribute to the devastation? And when are natural disasters not entirely natural? Then: Zuckerberg announces changes to fact-checking, filters, and trust and safety teams at Meta. It’s not an apology. Are the changes politically motivated, or market-driven, or philosophical, and will they stick? At the same time, Musk announces plans for algorithmic deboosting on X. Zero is a special number.

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Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com

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Mentioned in this episode:

Scope of the LA fires from The Lookout: https://www.youtube.com/live/OjE9xVU4eUA

Heather’s childhood LA fire experience: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/antipode-chapter-1

Jacob Soboroff on the Palisades Fire: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEkTEKdJxe9/

Fox News in Palisades Village: https://x.com/BigFish3000/status/1877008354008035683

Getty History: https://www.getty.edu/press/pdfs/Getty_History_and_Timeline.pdf

DEI LA Fire Chief: https://x.com/amuse/status/1876873508006842709

Zuckerberg announces changes: https://x.com/andrewcurran_/status/1876624442643878065

Musk does too: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875355425601999255

Fact checkers aren’t scientists: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/coming-soon

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Fires, Facebook & Free Speech: The 259th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we continue our discussion of the Los Angeles Fires, sharing stories, analysis, and an apology from the owner of the LA Times, a publication which endorsed Karen Bass, LA’s current mayor. Even if diversity and inclusion have value, we need skill and experience more. Then: a new molecular technique reveals the extent to which mRNA shots move around the body and trigger the immune system to destroy transfected cells; this provides strong support for Bret’s years-old hypothesis that myocarditis and pericarditis are the result of T cell mediated destruction of cardiomyocytes. Finally: dung beetles, in life and in art. Who makes dung balls, who rolls dung balls, and why is it such a popular activity?

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Mentioned in this episode:

Cal Fire: https://www.fire.ca.gov

Remembering the Palisades: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/remembering-the-palisades

The Morning Meeting w Patrick Soon-Shiong: https://www.youtube.com/live/QpolCpYGvw0?t=1092s

Luo et al 2025. Nanocarrier imaging at single-cell resolution across entire mouse bodies with deep learning. Nat Biotechnol. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-024-02528-1.pdf

Sean Goddard Insects: https://seangoddardinsects.com

Reynolds & Byrne 2013. Alternate reproductive tactics in an African dung beetle, Circellium bacchus(Scarabeidae). Journal of Insect Behavior 26: 440-452. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10905-012-9365-1

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Fire and a Broken Heart: The 260th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Bret Weinstein speaks with Dr. Toby Rogers on the subject of the economics of autism.

Find Toby Rogers on X at https://x.com/uTobian and on Substack at https://tobyrogers.substack.com.

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Mentioned in this episode:

- Please see Toby Roger’s doctoral thesis, The Political Economy of Autism for links to studies mentioned https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/20198/Rogers_T_thesis.pdf 
- For example, the first autism prevalence study is linked in his References https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/490240 
- Hunter Gatherer's Guide https://amzn.to/40fPWqP (commission earned)
- The Moth in the Iron Lung https://amzn.to/3PHrHNb (commission earned)
- Bandom Health Project https://www.bandim.org
- Christine Stable Ben's Ted Talk https://youtu.be/_d8PNlXHJ48?si=5REOXsVpE7PrkTeI

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Unsafe at Any Speed: Dr. Toby Rogers on DarkHorse

In this week’s episode, we discuss how it was to be in DC during Trump’s second Inauguration, and the MAHA ball. Then: a summary of Executive Orders: positive (e.g. freedom of speech, reality of biological sex, affirmative action, putting America first, securing our borders, establishing DOGE, J6 pardons, promoting beautiful architecture, and withdrawing from the WHO), negative (Gulf of America, the death penalty), and environmental (off-shore wind and natural gas, ANWR, fish and fires). Then: three reasons that Trump could become the best president we have had.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Executive Orders by Trump: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/

Seed oil lobbyist becomes chief of staff at the USDA: https://x.com/repthomasmassie/status/1882459041089351735

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The GOAT? The 261st Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Bret Weinstein speaks with John McPherson on the subject of forensic accounting and whistleblowing. McPherson highlighting his concerns about the current financial landscape and the potential for another financial crisis.

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Mentioned in this episode:
Monthly Patreon Discussion: https://www.patreon.com/bretweinstein
The Big Short: https://amzn.to/3WzusnX (commission earned)
The Life Partners Case: https://www.wsj.com/articles/life-partners-trustee-files-recovery-lawsuits-1458316739
Whistle Blower Award Process: https://www.sec.gov/enforcement-litigation/whistleblower-program
Borrower Defense: https://studentaid.gov/borrower-defense 
Enron fake trading floor: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2002/feb/21/corporatefraud.enron1
Fair Rate Act: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/186/text

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Exposing Financial Fraud: Forensic Accountant & Whistleblower John McPherson on DarkHorse

In this week’s episode, we discuss the Senate Confirmation Hearings of Bobby Kennedy Jr., in which the Democrats reveal a preference for anecdote over science, and work hard to maintain the status quo. As RFK seeks to Make America Healthy Again, he answers questions about infectious and chronic disease, SSRIs, Covid, farmers, autism, conspiracy theories, Medicaid and Medicare, and says with no equivocation: “I am not afraid of vested interests.” Also: Trump signs an Executive Order that will prevent the chemical and surgical mutilation of children; the new Press Secretary seems positively human; and the CIA admits the likelihood of a laboratory origin of Covid. Finally: check out Mike Nayna’s newest film, about Unity and Rescue the Republic.

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Mentioned in this episode:

RFK Jr Senate Confirmation Hearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeeC7nGm6cI

Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-children-from-chemical-and-surgical-mutilation/

CIA acknowledges likelihood of lab leak: https://apnews.com/article/covid-cia-trump-china-pandemic-lab-leak-9ab7e84c626fed68ca13c8d2e453dde1

A coalition of the Wyrd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-lsW5AalCc

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Confirmation of Cool: The 262nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Walter Kirn shares his perspective after sitting front row in the confirmation hearing of RFK Jr.

Find Walter on X: https://x.com/walterkirn
Find Walter at County Highway: https://www.countyhighway.com/

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Tragic Pharma Magic in the Confirmation of RFK Jr.

Bret Weinstein speaks with Twila Brase, RN, PHN on the subject of Real ID and why there is cause for concern, especially for medical freedom.

Find Twila Brase on X at x.com/twilabrase and at http://refuserealid.org. 

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Mentioned in this episode:

Refuse Real ID http://refuserealid.org/

Real ID Act text: https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf

Big Brother in the Exam Room: The Dangerous Truth about Electronic Health Records https://amzn.to/3IdRjAW (commission earned)Red Lined TSA Letter https://www.cchfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Red-Lined-TSA-letter-5.pdf 

The rule also requires agencies to coordinate their plans with DHS, make the plans publicly available, and achieve full enforcement by May 5, 2027. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/14/2025-00484/minimum-standards-for-drivers-licenses-and-identification-cards-acceptable-by-federal-agencies-for 

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The Truth About Real ID: Twila Brase, RN, PHN on DarkHorse

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