Greg Matsen and Jeff Strong Debate What's Really Driving Members Out Of The Church Cardio Miracle, Learn More! - https://cardiomiracle.com/?ref=t4Hpzrm3 Alive and Intelligent Substack - https://aliveandintelligent.substack.com Alaska Frontier Cruise - https://www.cwicmedia.com/alaska Jeff Strong's Book, "Torn: Why People We Love Are Leaving The Church And What We Can Learn From Them, is a Bestseller on Amazon under "Latter-day Saints." Everyone is talking about it. But not everyone is talking the same. In this episode, Jeff and Greg discuss data, reasons for leaving, church culture, and much, much more. It's a great conversation! Beyond Church History: The Deeper Causes of Disaffiliation They're leaving Christianity, institutions, and trust itself Agency, Doctrine, and Hope Jeff Strong shares hard-earned lessons from his own family's journey Jeff Strong discusses the pain and what families are getting wrong What happens when someone you love walks away from the Church? Are We Teaching the Church More Than the Gospel? Jeff Strong explains what his research taught him about staying rooted in Christ. Jeff's Book - Torn - https://amzn.to/4g1LiGk Cwic Media Website: http://www.cwicmedia.com