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Lyt når som helst, hvor som helst 

Jonny Miller

Deep dive conversations that celebrate self-experimentation, share evidence-backed tools for learning about your nervous system, and explore how to create more flourishing in your life.

Curious Humans with Jonny Miller

What if stress is less about how busy your life looks and more about whether your body believes it has enough energy to meet what is being asked of it?

Marek Doyle joins Jonny to unpack his framework of “energy security”: the relationship between the resources available to the body and the demands it expects to face. He explains why a manageable gap may produce sympathetic mobilization, while a gap that feels impossible to bridge may lead to a parasympathetic stress response often described as freeze or functional shutdown.

They explore why a healing protocol can work beautifully for one person and do nothing for another, why improving energy availability can briefly make someone feel worse, and why a high HRV score is not automatically a sign of resilience. The conversation also covers embodied safety, secondary stress, metabolic dysfunction, breathwork and how to run more useful self-experiments without blindly chasing a number.

You can expect to learn:

- Why Marek became interested in people who did not respond to supposedly reliable health protocols
- How energy security describes the gap between available resources and perceived demands
- The difference between sympathetic mobilization and parasympathetic stress
- Why coming out of freeze can initially feel like increased anxiety or activation
- How Marek reads HRV as one clue within a larger clinical picture
- Why a high HRV reading can sometimes be misinterpreted
- How safety, prediction, parts work and phobias shape protective responses
- Why “anxiety about anxiety” can magnify the original stressor
- How chronic stress and metabolic dysfunction can reinforce one another
- Why rest, breathwork and somatic practices do not land the same way for every nervous system
- How to think in principles and experiments instead of universal protocols

ABOUT MAREK

Marek Doyle is a functional nutritional therapist and breathwork practitioner with more than 20 years of clinical experience. His work focuses on complex cases where standard protocols have failed, combining personalised nutrition, laboratory testing and a systems-level view of stress physiology.

CONNECT WITH MAREK

- Marek's website: https://www.marekdoyle.com/
- Energy security, parasympathetic stress and mobilization: https://www.marekdoyle.com/?p=48061
- Using HRV to measure stress: https://www.marekdoyle.com/using-hrv-to-measure-stress/
- Health & Humanity: https://marekdoyle.substack.com/
- Marek on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marek.doyle
- Lucid Labs: https://www.lucidlabs.health/

EXPLORE MORE FROM JONNY

- Follow Jonny on X: https://twitter.com/jonnym1ller
- Nervous System Mastery: https://nsmastery.com/
- Stateshift: https://stateshift.app/
- Take the free Nervous System Quotient self-assessment: https://assessment.nsmastery.com/
- Subscribe to The Inner Frontier newsletter: https://ch.kit.com/f2ecbf5169

CHAPTERS

00:00 Nervous System Mastery
01:40 Welcome and why reliable protocols fail some people
08:40 What Marek means by energy security
16:47 Reading HRV in context
23:17 Moving from freeze into mobilization
25:27 Embodied safety and the predictive nervous system
28:35 Rehabilitating cortisol's reputation
35:48 Parts work, phobias and protective responses
39:13 Primary stress and secondary stress
41:10 Why transitions between nervous-system states can feel rough
45:48 Practical ways to investigate energy security
53:48 The loop between chronic stress and metabolic dysfunction
65:21 What can meaningfully change HRV?
75:14 The healing state and the limits of protocols
77:27 Why deep rest may require feeling what was avoided
83:31 Where to learn more from Marek

Energy Security: The Missing Framework that Explains Stress with Marek Doyle

AI can now write, code, research and build at a speed that felt impossible a few years ago. When a machine can reproduce yesterday's competence on demand, what remains distinctly human?

Dan Shipper is the CEO and cofounder of Every, a media and software company exploring what comes next in technology. In this conversation, we examine AI as a mirror for our values, fears and creative instincts.

We explore why good work still requires taste, how coordinating agents can fry your attention, why Every's aggressive approach to automation has created more human work, and which qualities matter when the ground keeps shifting beneath us.

You can expect to learn:
- Why your first encounter with a frontier model can resemble a psychedelic experience, including Dan's 30-day rule for major life decisions
- How to use AI without sacrificing your capacity for reading, writing and sustained thought
- Why taste, meaning and craft still come from the person using the tool
- What Dan means when he describes AI as a "non-specific amplifier" and a form of "frozen competence"
- Why automating everything possible at Every has created more work for people
- How experts can thrive when competent one-shot outputs become cheap and widely available
- Why curiosity, playfulness, openness to experience and the ability to tolerate uncertainty matter in the AI era
- Why knowledge work remains a process of wayfinding, even as agents become more capable and autonomous

ABOUT DAN
Dan Shipper is the CEO and cofounder of Every, a media and software company that publishes a daily newsletter about technology, builds software products, teaches courses and provides AI consulting and training.

CONNECT WITH DAN
- Every: https://every.to/
- Follow Dan on X: https://x.com/danshipper

EXPLORE MORE FROM JONNY
- Follow Jonny on X: https://twitter.com/jonnym1ller
- Nervous System Mastery: https://nsmastery.com/
- Stateshift: https://stateshift.app/
- Take the free Nervous System Quotient self-assessment: https://assessment.nsmastery.com/
- Subscribe to The Inner Frontier newsletter: https://ch.kit.com/f2ecbf5169

CHAPTERS
00:00 Before we begin
00:38 Annie Dillard, art and writing
04:14 Can AI deepen human craft?
05:43 The slot-machine effect of AI agents
06:55 Dan's "house phone" experiment
08:01 What AI can actually help us create
13:55 AI as a non-specific amplifier
17:23 Why AI companies mishandled the story
19:36 Will AI destroy jobs?
22:35 AI as "frozen competence"
26:11 Are human-AI centaurs temporary?
31:34 Career advice for the AI era
37:19 The traits that matter now
40:08 Every as an AI research lab
42:25 The coherence problem
45:25 Rapid-fire questions
48:00 Superintelligence by 2030?
50:44 Life after superintelligence
52:07 The questions Dan is living
53:02 Give yourself permission

How to (Actually) Improve Your Life with AI with Dan Shipper

What happens when the habits that made you successful stop making you feel alive?

Scott Britton spent years trying to architect the perfect life through achievement. Meditation, an ayahuasca experience and a growing sense that the old strategy had stopped working pulled him toward a different question: can ambition itself become a path of inner development?

In this conversation, we explore the tension between spiritual depth and worldly ambition, why work can become a mirror, and how to use everyday friction as material for self-awareness. Scott also shares the Freedom Log, the deceptively simple practice he still uses to notice triggers, investigate old patterns and choose a different response.

You can expect to learn:

- Why high achievers often swing from relentless ambition to becoming suspicious of ambition itself

- How work can become a practical arena for self-awareness when you stop bulldozing through discomfort

- What Scott learned from spending a year noticing every moment he did not trust himself or life

- Why money reveals patterns around scarcity, shame, safety and self-worth with unusual clarity

- How your real-time reactions can tell you more than affirmations about what you actually believe

- How Scott defines conscious accomplishment and measures progress without turning inner work into another scoreboard

- How to use the Freedom Log, including Scott's simple sequence: notice the trigger, write it down, then feel it

- Why purpose may have as much to do with your quality of attention and aliveness as any ten-year mountain

ABOUT SCOTT

Scott Britton is an entrepreneur, author, investor and community builder. After selling his company Troops to Salesforce in 2022, he founded Conscious Talent, an executive search firm built around conscious leadership. He is the author of Conscious Accomplishment: How to Use Personal Achievement for Spiritual Growth, writes a newsletter about consciousness and human potential, and hosts the EvolutionFM podcast.

CONNECT WITH SCOTT

- Scott's website: https://scottbritton.me/

- Conscious Accomplishment: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FTDKPT14

- Scott's newsletter: https://blog.scottbritton.me/

- Conscious Talent: https://www.conscioustalent.com/

- EvolutionFM: https://podcast.scottbritton.me/

EXPLORE MORE FROM JONNY

- Follow Jonny on X: https://twitter.com/jonnym1ller

- Nervous System Mastery: https://nsmastery.com/

- Stateshift: https://stateshift.app/

- Take the free Nervous System Quotient self-assessment: https://assessment.nsmastery.com/

- Subscribe to The Inner Frontier newsletter: https://ch.kit.com/f2ecbf5169

CHAPTERS

00:00 Welcome and Scott's turning points

03:30 The "success quest" and its limits

06:07 Why Scott wrote Conscious Accomplishment

11:55 Rehabilitating ambition after awakening

14:15 Work as a mirror for inner development

16:20 Building Conscious Talent differently

23:05 Scott's year of trust

30:00 Money, scarcity and the overpriced pasta

38:36 Learning to read friction

45:28 What progress looks like

56:02 Purpose as a way of being

58:59 The Freedom Log practice

62:48 Making time for inner work

70:02 David Whyte's bell and blackbird

71:36 Rapid-fire questions

77:06 "What is mine to do?"

Reclaiming Healthy Ambition with Scott Britton

In this conversation with designer, mindfulness teacher, and friend Jay Vidyarthi — we explore how to reclaim agency in the age of the attention economy without rejecting the magic of technology. 

We discuss why mainstream narratives about digital distraction often leave out empowerment, how to build healthier relationships with technology, the nuanced role of AI, the sacred responsibility of attention and why awareness is the first “spell” in your own defense against the dark arts of distraction. Listen to this conversation and learn how to enjoy the best of tech while setting boundaries around the worst of it!

Connect with Jay

📚 Check out Jay's brilliant book 'Reclaim Your Mind' 
💌 Subscribe to Jay's free newsletter 'Attention Activist'

Explore More from Jonny

👋 Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller
🫁 Learn more about Nervous System Mastery
🎴 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)
📱 Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app
📝 Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)
💌 Sign up to The Inner Frontier Newsletter

🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

Previous students have shared how partaking improved their sleep and quality of relationships and tapped into deeper states of joy, clarity, and confidence in their lives. We've had over 1000 students have completed this training, and many have said that it has been the most impactful thing they've ever done for their personal growth — so if you're intrigued at all, you can find more details and apply to join this year's cohort over at nsmastery.com

Further Ways to Support the Podcast:

🎙️ I use Riverside to record all of my podcast conversations (it's so much better than zoom for podcasting!)
🎧 I also use Transistor to host this podcast, it's fricking awesome, and I would highly recommend.
😎 RaOptics make the world's best Blue Blockers – I wear these anytime I'm out of the house after dark, and it makes a huge difference!
🤖 I use AI wizardry from Castmagic to help with each episode's show-notes + timestamps
📝 Test out my favourite journaling app using journal prompts that have made a huge impact in my life.

Defence Against the Dark Arts of Distraction with Jay Vidyarthi

Nir Eyal is a New York Times bestselling author and behavioral design expert. We had a wide-ranging conversation on curiosity, identity, and the unexpected ways that beliefs that shape our lives. Nir shared why curiosity is a superpower for self-improvement, the role of community in mental well-being, why “pills don’t teach skills” when it comes to mental health, why testing and rewiring our beliefs is essential for personal growth, and how living with integrity aligns us with our deepest values. 

Show Notes:

 • Why curiosity is a superpower for self-improvement
 • How beliefs shape reality — and how to rewire them
 • Spotting and dismantling limiting beliefs that hold you back
 • The link between integrity, values, and intentional living
 • Why “pills don’t teach skills” in mental health
 • The role of identity and labels in shaping behavior

Connect with Nir

📚 Sign up for his (fantastic) newsletter over at nirandfar.com
 

Explore More from Jonny

👋 Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller
🫁 Learn more about Nervous System Mastery
🎴 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)
📱 Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app
📝 Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)
💌 Sign up to The Inner Frontier Newsletter

🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

Previous students have shared how partaking improved their sleep and quality of relationships and tapped into deeper states of joy, clarity, and confidence in their lives. We've had over 1000 students have completed this training, and many have said that it has been the most impactful thing they've ever done for their personal growth — so if you're intrigued at all, you can find more details and apply to join this year's cohort over at nsmastery.com

Further Ways to Support the Podcast:

🎙️ I use Riverside to record all of my podcast conversations (it's so much better than zoom for podcasting!)
🎧 I also use Transistor to host this podcast, it's fricking awesome, and I would highly recommend.
😎 RaOptics make the world's best Blue Blockers – I wear these anytime I'm out of the house after dark, and it makes a huge difference!
🤖 I use AI wizardry from Castmagic to help with each episode's show-notes + timestamps
📝 Test out my favourite journaling app using journal prompts that have made a huge impact in my life.

Harnessing the Power of Belief with Nir Eyal

This is a special one-off episode in which the tables are turned — Ocean Kiani interviews Jonny and leadership coach Ben Ward. 

We discuss how the training has evolved over time, including some of the teaching philosophies and experimental mindset that underpin everything we do, as well as explore the profound impact that nervous system work has had on our lives. 

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Explore More from Jonny

👋 Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller
🫁 Learn more about Nervous System Mastery
🎴 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)
📱 Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app
📝 Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)
💌 Sign up to The Inner Frontier Newsletter

Learn More About Ocean + Ben 

Ocean Kiani, alongside helping Jonny grow + run Nervous System Mastery, is a somatic movement practitioner, writer, and movement coach. Connect with Ocean on: oceankiani.substack.com
Ben Ward is an experienced leadership & organisational coach who partners with leaders and teams to navigate complexity, grow people, and unlock breakthrough progress. Connect with Ben on: explore-change.com

🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

Previous students have shared how partaking improved their sleep and quality of relationships and tapped into deeper states of joy, clarity, and confidence in their lives. We've had over 1000 students have completed this training, and many have said that it has been the most impactful thing they've ever done for their personal growth — so if you're intrigued at all, you can find more details and apply to join this year's cohort over at nsmastery.com

Further Ways to Support the Podcast:

🎙️ I use Riverside to record all of my podcast conversations (it's so much better than zoom for podcasting!)
🎧 I also use Transistor to host this podcast, it's fricking awesome, and I would highly recommend.
😎 RaOptics make the world's best Blue Blockers – I wear these anytime I'm out of the house after dark, and it makes a huge difference!
🤖 I use AI wizardry from Castmagic to help with each episode's show-notes + timestamps
📝 Test out my favourite journaling app using journal prompts that have made a huge impact in my life.

Behind the Scenes of Nervous System Mastery

This conversation is with men’s fertility expert Josh Paigen — whose path took him from a childhood fascination with the natural world to helping men and couples prepare for healthy conception. We explore the alarming global decline in sperm count, why preconception health is about far more than simply being able to conceive, and Josh’s five pillars of male fertility: sustenance, purity, exercise, rest, and mindset. 

Along the way, we dive into the roles of nutrition, environmental toxins, circadian rhythms, and even inherited trauma in shaping reproductive health — and how small, intentional lifestyle shifts can have a profound impact on future generations.

You can expect to learn

• Why sperm count is plummeting (and why this matters)
• Five pillars of male fertility you can start today
• How diet, toxins, and lifestyle shape reproductive health
• Sleep, stress, and mindsets’ hidden role in fertility
• Epigenetics: how trauma and health choices get passed on
• Simple changes that can boost fertility and overall vitality

[Timestamps]

05:43 Understanding Preconception Health
11:54 Sperm as a Biomarker for Health
17:27 Nutrition and Sperm Health
23:50 Understanding Everyday Toxins
29:22 Minimizing EMF Exposure
38:19 Circadian Rhythms and Hormonal Balance
47:56 Mindset and Holistic Health
55:35 The Interconnection of Health and Fertility
01:00:58 Understanding Epigenetics and Trauma
01:08:36 Challenging Myths in Fertility

Connect with Josh

🌱 If you'd like to work with Josh and improve your fertility head over to Mandrake.health

Explore More from Jonny

👋 Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller
🫁 Learn more about Nervous System Mastery
🎴 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)
📱 Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app
📝 Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)
💌 Sign up to The Inner Frontier Newsletter

🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

Previous students have shared how partaking improved their sleep and quality of relationships and tapped into deeper states of joy, clarity, and confidence in their lives. We've had over 1000 students have completed this training, and many have said that it has been the most impactful thing they've ever done for their personal growth — so if you're intrigued at all, you can find more details and apply to join this year's cohort over at nsmastery.com

Further Ways to Support the Podcast:

🎙️ I use Riverside to record all of my podcast conversations (it's so much better than zoom for podcasting!)
🎧 I also use Transistor to host this podcast, it's fricking awesome, and I would highly recommend.
😎 RaOptics make the world's best Blue Blockers – I wear these anytime I'm out of the house after dark, and it makes a huge difference!
🤖 I use AI wizardry from Castmagic to help with each episode's show-notes + timestamps
📝 Test out my favourite journaling app using journal prompts that have made a huge impact in my life.

The Five Pillars for Improving Male Fertility with Josh Paigen

Dylan is the founder of the ketamine-assisted therapy startup “Mindbloom” — He also shares what they’ve learned so far from running nearly 700 thousand guided ketamine sessions, his idea that "There’s no magic pill, but there is a magic program". and how he’s been dealing with a recent Wall Street Journal hit piece attempting to discredit his company. I also shared some of my own recent experiences with ketamine assisted somatic journeys and the impact that it’s had on my own life.
 
Learn More About Dylan + Mindbloom

⚡ See if you would qualify for Mindbloom's Psychedelic Assisted Therapy
💬 Follow Dylan on twitter/X

Time-stamps

00:03:34 Growing up in poverty with a schizophrenic mother and severely mentally ill sister
00:06:09 Finding escapism through fantasy books as a bullied child
00:10:08 Breaking point: Fighting back against bullies and developing defensive mechanisms
00:11:44 Discovering positive psychology and questioning his happiness for the first time
00:15:56 First MDMA experience abroad - "one of the three most important moments of my life"
00:17:18 Transformation from deep pessimist to rational optimist
00:20:40 Family tragedies: Mother and sister's overdose deaths
00:29:47 The critical importance of preparation, experience, and integration
00:31:16 Why at-home therapy beats clinical settings
00:35:00 Setting intentions as a forcing function for internal safety
00:38:33 Evolution of Mindbloom's music program links to world-class compositions
00:44:30 AI-powered journaling and integration tool
00:56:57 Jhana meditation and combining somatic work with ketamine
01:02:41 The concept of "super well-being" beyond just treating illness
01:04:58 How mental health professionals underestimate what's possible for patients
01:09:31 How J&J patented S-ketamine (Spravato) at 88x the cost of generic
01:10:49 Media capture: Big Pharma provides 13-25% of news advertising revenue
01:11:04 Mindbloom suing Wall Street Journal for false Matthew Perry death claims
01:09:12 The biggest insight from ketamine: remembering the "why"
01:21:44 50 million Americans on SSRIs vs. 200,000 on ketamine therapy
01:24:55 Veteran suicides: 6,205 per year
01:26:54 Dylan's father's suicidal depression and recovery through Mindbloom
01:21:00 Transition to proactive healthcare and personalized medicine
01:31:17 Mindbloom's new whole health offering beyond just ketamine
01:51:10 Ultimate goal: Eliminating the mental health crisis entirely
01:52:14 "Human capital is what drives everything on this planet"

Explore More from Jonny

👋 Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller
🫁 Learn more about Nervous System Mastery
🎴 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)
📱 Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app
📝 Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)
💌 Sign up to The Inner Frontier Newsletter

🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

Previous students have shared how partaking improved their sleep and quality of relationships and tapped into deeper states of joy, clarity, and confidence in their lives. We've had over 1000 students have completed this training, and many have said that it has been the most impactful thing they've ever done for their personal growth — so if you're intrigued at all, you can find more details and apply to join this year's cohort over at nsmastery.com

Further Ways to Support the Podcast:

🎙️ I use Riverside to record all of my podcast conversations (it's so much better than zoom for podcasting!)
🎧 I also use Transistor to host this podcast, it's fricking awesome, and I would highly recommend.
😎 RaOptics make the world's best Blue Blockers – I wear these anytime I'm out of the house after dark, and it makes a huge difference!
🤖 I use AI wizardry from Castmagic to help with each episode's show-notes + timestamps
📝 Test out my favourite journaling app using journal prompts that have made a huge impact in my life.

Tackling the Mental Health Crisis using Ketamine-Assisted Therapy with Dylan Beynon

Joe Hudson is an executive coach for tech CEOs like Sam Altman, and is a cofounder of the Art of Accomplishment. In this in-person interview, we sat down to talk about what I like to think of as the first principles of inner work as well as some of the common pitfalls that often get us stuck along the way.

Time-stamps
 
00:04 Why does my wife trust Joe more after seeing how little tension he has in his belly?
00:06 How 7 years of breathwork rewired his capacity for authenticity + emotional expression
00:25 The reason self-trust + trust in life are actually the same skill
00:28 Why enjoyment is the most efficient way to work
00:38 How true safety (ironically) requires acknowledging that we're never truly safe
00:43 Why Joe rarely buys into people's stories
00:49 The common trap that stagnates the personal growth of so many teachers (and how to avoid it)
00:55 The hilarious story behind Joe's secret nickname 'Burt McCracken'
01:03 One definition of narcissism is the inability to feel emotions
01:05 The reason that relational work accelerates personal transformation (compared to solo efforts)

Learn More About Joe Hudson + AoA

👨‍🏫 Get discounted access to their courses here
🎧 Listen to the fantastic AoA Podcast (my top 10 episodes)
🎬 Watch Joe's Youtube Videos @artofaccomplishment

Explore More from Jonny

👋 Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller
🫁 Learn more about Nervous System Mastery
🎴 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)
📱 Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app
📝 Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)
💌 Sign up to The Inner Frontier Newsletter

🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

Previous students have shared how partaking improved their sleep and quality of relationships and tapped into deeper states of joy, clarity, and confidence in their lives. We've had over 1000 students have completed this training, and many have said that it has been the most impactful thing they've ever done for their personal growth — so if you're intrigued at all, you can find more details and apply to join this year's cohort over at nsmastery.com

Further Ways to Support the Podcast:

🎙️ I use Riverside to record all of my podcast conversations (it's so much better than zoom for podcasting!)
🎧 I also use Transistor to host this podcast, it's fricking awesome, and I would highly recommend.
😎 RaOptics make the world's best Blue Blockers – I wear these anytime I'm out of the house after dark, and it makes a huge difference!
🤖 I use AI wizardry from Castmagic to help with each episode's show-notes + timestamps
📝 Test out my favourite journaling app using journal prompts that have made a huge impact in my life.

Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation with Joe Hudson

Franzi is someone whose work sits at the powerful intersection of nervous system health, emotional resilience, and embodied leadership. 

What I admire most about her is the way she weaves personal integrity, deep inquiry, and relational intelligence into every facet of her life — from parenting her three sons to working with founders navigating burnout and stuck emotions. We explore what it truly means to lead from a place of wholeness — and why she believes leadership should be a force for healing, not just productivity. Franzi shares how curiosity became her greatest ally through grief and trauma, and how movement became a portal into somatic healing. 

We also discuss the difference between performative boundaries and boundaries that foster deeper connection, how interoception builds relational capacity, and why numbness is often the most potent entry point into this work.

Other topics we touch on include:

🌿 The cost of chronic performance zones & reclaiming peripheral vision
🧠 How somatics and neuroscience go hand-in-hand — and why embodiment is often mislabeled as “woo”
🧒 Her radical, nervous-system-based approach to parenting and education
💡 The power of practicing self-inquiry through the simple questions: Who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going?
🫀 And what it means to live a life rooted in belonging, dignity, and safety

This one is rich, spacious, and full of grounded wisdom — I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Connect with Franzi

🖥️ Learn about Franzi's Work
📝 Read Franzi's Writing 

Connect + Explore More from Jonny

🐦 Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller
🫁 Learn more about Nervous System Mastery
🪷 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)
📱 Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app
📝 Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)
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🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

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Unlocking Embodied Leadership with Franziska Gonder

Leo Babauta is the prolific writer of Zen Habits who is joining me from the distant island of Guam 7,400 miles away. Here are a few tasters for what to expect in this wide-ranging conversation:

😨 How Zen Habits evolved into his mission to help others push into their uncertainty.

👨‍🎓 How Leo unschooled and de-programmed his kids to facilitate their own natural state of curiosity.

🚀 Leo's compelling case for why a fully-optimised life would actually suck and risks being the most controlled boring thing possible.

💪 Developing and training 'radical curiosity' to dive inwards even when you don't like what you're seeing—how to hold the pose when you're entire body wants to shut down and run.

🤼 What he's learned about learning and his no-holds-barred debate with Tim Ferriss on the idea of abandoning goals.

🧘‍♂️ The incredible Zen Habits origin story – his path from being in debt, overweight, a smoker and feeling miserable to escaping debt, gaining a following of over a million readers, publishing books on habit-change, finding joy and even running an ultra-marathon!

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📝 Read the Full Transcript here over on Medium

❓Listener Question >> “How do you feel about the balance between achievement and appreciation?” Tag @jonnym1ller on Twitter or Instagram.

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🎵Musical Credits
Thanks so much to the Heinali who generously provided the musical accompaniments.

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Embracing Uncertainty & Radical Curiosity with Leo Babauta

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