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Margaret continues her talk with Caitlin Durante about Truus and Freddie Oversteegan and Hannie Schaft and their rebellion that left Nazi bodies around the Netherlands
 
Sources:
 
Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady
https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/
 
https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/
 

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629
 
https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen
 
https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945
 
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland
 
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/
 
https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie
 
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive
 
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758
 
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm
 
https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the
 
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html
 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505
 
https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/
 
https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

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Part Four: The Dutch Resistance: The Teens Who Seduced and Killed Nazis

Margaret talks with Caitlin Durante about Truus and Freddie Oversteegan and Hannie Schaft and their rebellion that left Nazi bodies around the Netherlands
 
Sources:
 
Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady
https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/
 
https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/
 

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629
 
https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen
 
https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945
 
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland
 
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/
 
https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie
 
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive
 
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758
 
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm
 
https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the
 
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html
 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505
 
https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/
 
https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

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Part Three: The Dutch Resistance: The Teens Who Seduced and Killed Nazis

Margaret discusses your reactions to Le Guin's "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" and "The Day Before the Revolution" with Hazel Acacia and Steven Monacelli

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CZM Book Club: Discussing Two Stories by Ursula K. Le Guin

Margaret continues her coversation with Caitlin Durante about the rise of the Dutch Left and the early Jewish resistance to Nazis.
 
Sources:
 
Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady
https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/
 
https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/
 

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629
 
https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen
 
https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945
 
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland
 
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/
 
https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie
 
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive
 
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758
 
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm
 
https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the
 
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html
 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505
 
https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/
 
https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Part Two: The Dutch Resistance: The Ice Cream Parlor and Jewish Boxers

Margaret talks with Caitlin Durante about the rise of the Dutch Left and the early Jewish resistance to Nazis
 
Sources:
 
Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady
https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/
 
https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/
 

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629
 
https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak
 
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/
 
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen
 
https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945
 
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland
 
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/
 
https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie
 
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive
 
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758
 
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm
 
https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the
 
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html
 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505
 
https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/
 
https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Part One: The Dutch Resistance: The Ice Cream Parlor and Jewish Boxers

Margaret reads you a 1963 science fiction story of class stratification, sports, and first contact.

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CZM Book Club: Where the Phph Pebbles Go, by Miriam Allen DeFord

Margaret continues her interview with the queer historian Hugh Ryan about his upcoming memoir My Bad

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Part Two: Hugh Ryan on Queer History

Margaret interviews the queer historian Hugh Ryan about his upcoming memoir My Bad
 
 

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Part One: Hugh Ryan on Queer History

James reads Margaret the first chapter of his new book

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CZM Book Club: Against the State by James Stout

Margaret finishes telling you about the histories most notorious fugitives and his days fighting against the Tsar.
 
Sources:
 
https://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/police-forces/city-of-london-police/areas/city-of-london/about-us/about-us/houndsditch-murders/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/gyl24y/were_the_policies_of_the_british_government_under/
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/The-Siege-of-Sidney-Street/
https://web.archive.org/web/20070514215717/http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/O/origination/immigration.html
https://www.onlatvia.com/tag/christianization
https://web.archive.org/web/20250125015207/https://www.onlatvia.com/dievturiba-latvian-neo-paganism-187
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%81rlis_Ulmanis
https://kulturaskanons.lv/en/archive/jani/
A Towering Flame, by Phillip Ruff

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CZM Book Club: Against the State by James Stout

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