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An ex-Al Qaeda jihadi turned MI6 spy and a former monk turned filmmaker, have been embedded at the heart of conflicts in the Middle East. Together Aimen Dean and Thomas Small unpack the realities of war, fundamentalism and their global implications through first-hand experience.

CONFLICTED

Islam is often treated as a civilisation apart — self-contained, resistant to modernity, and fundamentally at odds with the West. In this episode, Thomas speaks to Oxford professor James McDougall about why that framing is misleading, and how Islamic history is inseparable from the making of the modern world itself.

Drawing on his new book Worlds of Islam: A Global History, McDougall explains:

 Why Islamic and Western histories are deeply intertwined rather than civilisationally opposed

 The extent to which Islam is an imperial and political project

 Islam’s role in shaping global modernity before European dominance

 What made European power different in the nineteenth century

 How the Mongol sack of Baghdad reshaped the geography of the Islamic world

 The importance of Central Asia, Indonesia, and West Africa to Islamic history

 The debate over early Islamic sources and why scholarly scepticism has softened

 Whether today’s tensions reflect a clash of civilizations — or a clash of perspectives

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Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

This episode was produced by Thomas Small and edited by Lizzy Andrews.
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Re-Thinking Islam’s Global History

As mass protests sweep Iran and President Trump declares the U.S. is ‘locked and loaded’, Thomas and Aimen revisit the event that shaped U.S.–Iran relations for the next half-century: the Iran Hostage Crisis. Then, in real time, the conversation veers into a fast-moving geopolitical shock: Venezuela, Iran’s global networks, and what a new era of American ‘muscle’ might actually look like.

They discuss:

 Iran’s 2026 protest wave: currency collapse, water crisis, and regime pressure points

 Trump’s ‘locked and loaded’ warning

 Why the embassy takeover began as ‘revolutionary entrepreneurship’

 How and why Khomeini endorsed the hostage crisis

 The shift to economic sanctions as America’s primary lever

 U.S. back-channel diplomacy

 Operation Eagle Claw: what the plan was and how it fell apart

 Hostage diplomacy after 1979

 The creation of the U.S. Special Operations Command

 The Iran–Venezuela–Hezbollah nexus, and why Washington’s focus may be shifting

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The Crisis in Iran: The History Behind US-Iran Tensions

Amid controversy surrounding Zohran Mamdani’s rise to power in New York City, Hussein Mansour tells Thomas all about the history of Third Worldism — where it comes from, what it originally meant, and why the term has resurfaced.

Thomas and Hussein discuss:

 Zohran Mamdani as a symbol, not a cause, of a broader elite transformation

 The Third Estate, the French Revolution, and the revolutionary inheritance of modern radical politics

 Interwar Paris and the emergence of Third Worldist intellectuals

 Négritude, anti-colonial humanism, and the promise of historical redemption

 Decolonisation, revolutionary violence, and the crisis of postcolonial states

 How ideological failure was reinterpreted as structural oppression

 The migration of Third Worldist ideas into Western universities and institutions

 Edward Said, postcolonial theory, and the institutionalisation of grievance

 Third Worldism today less as a political programme than an elite posture

Subscribe to Hussein’s Substack The Abrahamic Metacritique here: https://critiqueanddigest.substack.com

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Zohran Mamdani and the Ascendancy of Third Worldism

As 2025 draws to a close, Thomas and Aimen take an unconventional tour of the Islamic world — looking beyond the usual headlines to the under-the-radar shifts that happened in 2025, with the potential to shape 2026 and beyond.

They discuss:

 Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger forming the Alliance of Sahel States and what a new Sahel bloc might mean

 The geopolitical ‘cluster fuck’ of the Sudanese civil war

 The European Union’s re-entry into Central Asia

 The Gabala Summit and the rising Turkic axis

 How Bangladesh is diversifying away from India

 Southern Thailand’s Malay-Muslim insurgency and why it’s so rarely discussed

 In Iraq, Kata’ib Hezbollah and the breakdown of state sovereignty

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2025 Year in Review

The war in Ukraine is back in the headlines as a peace agreement appears increasingly probably — though with major concessions to Russia. So as a Christmas present to our listeners, we’ve brought this episode from August out from behind the paywall.

In it, Thomas speaks with his old university friend Jakub — a former Slovak Army officer who volunteered to fight in Ukraine — about the lived reality of modern warfare, from trench fighting to FPV strike drones. Drawing on nearly eighteen months at the front, Jakub offers an unvarnished account of combat, morale, fear, boredom, and survival — and challenges many popular assumptions about how this war is actually being fought.

Thomas and Jakub discuss:

 Why Jakub left academia to fight in Ukraine

 Life as a foreign volunteer inside a regular Ukrainian infantry battalion

 The psychological reality of trench warfare

 How artillery, drones, and attrition have reshaped the battlefield

 The limits of NATO doctrine when confronted with peer warfare

 What this war suggests about the future of European security

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Inside the Trenches of Ukraine

What is ‘the Christmas story’ really? And how does it change when you tell it from within a different religious tradition? In Conflicted’s first-ever Christmas Special, Thomas and Aimen retell the Nativity as it appears in the Gospels and in the Qur’an. 

They discuss:

 Who were the Magi? Zoroastrian priests or Nabataean nomads?

 How the Nativity story differs between the Bible and the Qur’an

 A controversial theory about how local Christian traditions may have shaped the Qur’anic telling

 The overlooked reason why Qur’an presumes its audience already knows the underlying stories

 Christ’s ‘unfinished business’ in Islam: the Second Coming and the fight against the Antichrist

 The sharpest divergence: the Crucifixion and what it implies about Jesus’ mission

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2025 Conflicted Christmas Special

In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks with global finance and security analyst Giri Rajendran about the Trump Administration’s newly published National Security Strategy — what it signals, what it omits, and what it suggests about America’s role in a multipolar world.

Thomas and Giri discuss:

 How this report differs from previous US National Security Strategies

 The end of the old rules-based order of liberal internationalism

 The Middle East: a phase shift toward deeper economic engagement

 China: economic and industrial competition, not ideological crusade

 Europe: NATO burden-sharing, culture-war politics, and coercion by inducement

 Russia as a potential ally, no longer an enemy

 Whether global governance can exist without global institutions

Follow Giri on X here: https://x.com/Trajan1898

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This episode was produced and edited by Thomas Small.
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What Trump’s 2025 National Security Strategy Means For The World

What does the future hold for the Middle East — and the world — in 2026?

In this special episode of Conflicted, Thomas instructs Aimen to peer into his crystal ball and offer his forecasts for the year to come.

In this episode, Aimen and Thomas discuss:

 How professional geopolitical analysts make forecasts

 The impossibility of foreseeing Black Swan events

 Why an end to the war in Ukraine could reshape Middle Eastern geopolitics

 The likelihood of a U.S. war against the Houthis in Yemen

 Renewed hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon

 The strategic importance of the Gulf states

 Iran’s nuclear programme, proxy network, and the risk of renewed confrontation

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Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

Produced by Thomas Small and edited by Lizzy Andrews.
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The 2026 Middle East Forecast

In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks with Lorenzo Vidino, Director of the Programme on Extremism at The George Washington University.

What happens when an ideological movement is neither a terrorist organisation nor an ordinary religious group — but something in between? One of the world’s leading experts on the Muslim Brotherhood explains…

 The early history of Islam in America

 The first Brotherhood-linked students arriving in the U.S. in the 50s and 60s

 The formation of the first American Brotherhood cells

 The Brotherhood’s gradual institutional influence across the 80s and 90s

 Why CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) is so controversial

 Germany’s three-fold classification system and what the U.S. can learn from it

Follow Lorenzo on: X, BlueSky, LinkedIn, and YouTube. 

Check out his books:

 
The New Muslim Brotherhood in the West (Columbia University Press, 2010)

 
The Closed Circle: Joining and Leaving the Muslim Brotherhood in the West (Columbia University Press, 2020).

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What the U.S. Gets Wrong About the Muslim Brotherhood

The Middle East is shifting again, and fast. In this wide-ranging overview, Aimen and Thomas break down the hidden forces reshaping the geopolitical chessboard as 2025 draws to a close.

In this episode, Aimen and Thomas uncover:

 The power of Saudi Arabia’s discovery of vast rare-earth reserves

 The U.S.–Saudi grand bargain

 Why the F-35 sale to Saudi Arabia rattled Israel and what it means for the future of the Abraham Accords

 Iran’s deepening water crisis and Gulf states’ preparations for instability

 The simmering tensions between India and Pakistan

 Afghanistan’s compounded crises

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Produced by Thomas Small and edited by Lizzy Andrews.
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What Trump’s 2025 National Security Strategy Means For The World

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