Guests: Juliet Hooker, Royce Family Professor of Teaching Excellence in Political Science at Brown University [@BrownUniversity]

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Website | https://juliethooker.com

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Host: Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast & Audio Signals Podcast

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Episode Introduction

Welcome to a new episode of Audio Signals, hosted by me, Marco Ciappelli. Today, we dive into into a compelling and intricate topic in our episode titled "Black Grief, White Grievance: The Politics of Loss," featuring a special guest, Professor Juliet Hooker. A renowned academic and author, Professor Hooker brings her expertise in political science to explore the multifaceted dynamics of loss within democratic societies and the often politicized nature of racism and loss.

Our conversation begins with an insightful analysis of Professor Hooker's book, "Black Grief, White Grievance: The Politics of Loss." This exploration is not just an academic exercise; it's a journey through the emotional and political landscapes of grief and grievance. We unravel the subtle yet profound differences between these two experiences – grief, an emotional response to loss, and grievance, a reaction to perceived harm or injustice.

As we navigate through these concepts, Professor Hooker brings to light the critical role that state actions, or inactions, play in transforming grief into grievance, especially in the context of social injustice. This transformation is not merely individual; it reflects in the mobilization of various groups within society, influencing the very fabric of democratic institutions.

The discussion takes a deeper turn as we examine the influence of privilege in shaping responses to loss. This part of the conversation is particularly revealing, highlighting how societal status and identity can dictate not only the experience of loss but also the visibility and legitimacy of grief and grievance. The impact of race, ethnicity, and historical power dynamics are central to this dialogue, offering insights into the struggles of marginalized communities for justice and recognition.

We also draw connections with historical and contemporary racial activism. By referencing the significant contributions of figures like Harriet Jacobs and Ida B. Wells, and relating them to modern movements and events like the 2020 racial justice protests and the January 2021 Capitol insurrection, the conversation illuminates the continuous thread of loss and activism through history. The role of technology, notably photographs and social media, in highlighting these stories of loss is another critical aspect of our discussion.

Expanding our gaze globally, we explore how the themes of loss and political mobilization transcend national boundaries. Professor Hooker points to international examples, such as the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina, to illustrate the universal nature of grieving activism.

In wrapping up this episode, we reflect on the profound implications of our discussion. "Black Grief, White Grievance: The Politics of Loss with Juliet Hooker" is more than an examination of societal dynamics; it's an invitation to our listeners to engage in a deeper understanding of the complexities of power, privilege, and social justice. Through this understanding, we hope to contribute to building a more inclusive and empathetic society that values the lives and struggles of all its members. Join us in this enlightening conversation, as we explore the nuances of grief, grievance, and their impact on democracy.

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About the Book

In democracies, citizens must accept loss; we can’t always be on the winning side. But in the United States, the fundamental civic capacity of being able to lose is not distributed equally. Propped up by white supremacy, whites (as a group) are accustomed to winning; they have generally been able to exercise political rule without having to accept sharing it. Black citizens, on the other hand, are expected to be political heroes whose civic suffering enables progress toward racial justice. In this book, Juliet Hooker, a leading thinker on democracy and race, argues that the two most important forces driving racial politics in the United States today are Black grief and white grievance. Black grief is exemplified by current protests against police violence—the latest in a tradition of violent death and subsequent public mourning spurring Black political mobilization. The potent politics of white grievance, meanwhile, which is also not new, imagines the United States as a white country under siege. Drawing on African American political thought, Hooker examines key moments in US racial politics that illuminate the problem of loss in democracy. She connects today’s Black Lives Matter protests to the use of lynching photographs to arouse public outrage over post–Reconstruction era racial terror, and she discusses Emmett Till’s funeral as a catalyst for the civil rights struggles of the 1950s and 1960s. She also traces the political weaponization of white victimhood during the Obama and Trump presidencies. Calling for an expansion of Black and white political imaginations, Hooker argues that both must learn to sit with loss, for different reasons and to different ends.

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Resources

Black Grief/White Grievance: The Politics of Loss: https://juliethooker.com/books/black-grief-white-grievance/

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