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AppleInsider

Get the latest iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Apple news every Friday. Tune in to this weekly podcast for in-depth coverage, product reviews, and analysis of all news surrounding Apple. Since 1997 AppleInsider has been a premier source of Apple news, leaks, and rumors. Hosted by William Gallagher and Wesley Hilliard.

AppleInsider Podcast

Apple's CEO transition is complete, OpenAI may have been caught red-handed, and Apple Maps had a controversial update on the AppleInsider Podcast.

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@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
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Developers can stop supporting Intel Macs, says AppleIncoming Apple CEO John Ternus meets with Tim Cook's friend Pikachu & Pokemon CEOBoth Tim Cook & John Ternus are the right guys in the right place, at the right timeApple updates its leadership page as John Ternus becomes CEORead John Ternus first address to employees as he takes over as Apple CEOLuca Maestri isn't running Apple's Corporate Services anymoreApple Fellow Phil Schiller no longer working on App Store or eventsTernus takeover won't mean a mass Apple exec exodusNew evidence shows OpenAI's trade secret theft & destruction of evidence, says AppleIt's not our fault if you can't keep trade secrets, OpenAI tells AppleSam Altman needs to put up or shut up about AI hackingWhite House really wants Apple to change 'Lake Ontario' to 'Lake America' nowApple Maps updates 'Lake Ontario' to 'Lake America' for US usersApple Maps bring up Lake Ontario if you search for 'Lake America'Surgeons keep finding reasons to use the Apple Vision ProDon't expect an Apple Pencil for the folding iPhoneIt's not clear when iPhone 18 Pro and folding iPhone preorders will start
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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

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 • (00:00) - Intel-based Mac apps

 • (08:40) - Ternus

 • (25:26) - Leadership changes continue

 • (28:15) - OpenAI

 • (41:31) - Controversy Corner

 • (49:33) - Apple Vision Pro surgery

 • (54:10) - iPhone event and preorders

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CEO John Ternus, legal battles, & iPhone Fold on the AppleInsider Podcast

Apple announced the M6 processor for an updated Mac mini alongside the M5 Ultra in a Mac Studio, plus more layoffs impact the Vision Products Group and AI teams, all on the AppleInsider Podcast.

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@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
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M6 Mac mini arrives with a new record-high starting priceYou can spend $18,299 on a Mac Studio today, or more in OctoberMacBook-style key symbols come to all four Magic KeyboardsApple's infamous Polishing Cloth drops to $9Why the new Mac Studio can support up to eight screensMac Studio gets update to M5 Max and M5 UltraLayoffs in Apple's Vision Products Group prove slow progress in spatial computingApple Music's AI disclosure labels will soon be mandatory, rather than optionalFinally, Apple Pay is coming to WalMart stores in the USSamsung and Apple are now neck and neck in Europe's declining smartphone marketiPhone sales rise in Latin America even as smartphone market shrinksIt's anyone's guess how high iPhone prices might go, but $100 more might be enoughApple Stores refresh prepares to push a big smart home revampAmbient sensing and cameras to power Apple Home Hub personalizationHide My Email no longer changing domains, will keep iCloud.comSmart TV analytics look dire for Apple TV F1 viewership, but not whole storyOneRepublic headlines Tim Cook's going away party as he prepares to step down as CEO
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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

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New Macs, AI Music, & Tim Cook on the AppleInsider Podcast

Apple accidentally leaked identifying numbers for much of its upcoming product line, AirPods with cameras rumors spark a new privacy debate, and Siri AI gets partnered articles on the AppleInsider Podcast.

Please note that there's no video this week because of technical problems and pressing the wrong buttons. Video will be back next time.

Contact your hosts:

@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
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macOS Tahoe 26.7 beta references several unreleased products like Home HubWatch how AirPods with cameras will work, according to macOS TahoeThere is a good reason to praise AirPods with cameras, and not fear themWhat are the rumors about the AirPods Pro 4?A new Siri Remote may be in the works, but don't get excitedApple's product identifier leak is a hard mystery to solveSiri AI could get a boost from news content with new publisher dealApple's first foldable iPhone won't arrive everywhere in SeptemberApp Store review is broken in a time where it is needed the mostApple's latest commission rates for external App Store purchases haven't satisfied EpicEpic doesn't believe in compromise unless it is with GoogleEpic Games vs Apple -- The continuing six-year App Store sagaApple's EU fee changes, which could eventually hit the USJony Ive-designed Ferrari Luce sells for $40M at auctionIt's begun - US and Canadian firms can now buy ads on Apple MapsApple Maps ads will be tasteful and minimal, might even help your local businesses
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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

 • (00:00) - Intro

 • (11:59) - AirPods Pro with cameras

 • (32:56) - Siri AI and publishers

 • (45:41) - App Store problems

 • (56:12) - Epic

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AirPods with cameras leak, Apple Maps ads, & Siri AI on the AppleInsider Podcast

The iPhone 18 Pro will be a powerhouse for photography while the iPhone Ultra will focus on the novelty of folding, your hosts discuss this and the AI competition in the latest AppleInsider Podcast.

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@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
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CleanMyMac by MacPaw: • Get Tidy Today! Try 7 days free and use code APPLEINSIDER20 for 20% off at 
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Links from the Show:

iPhone 18 Pro rumor roundup: 2nm A20 chip, C2 modem, under-display Face IDPhoto leak backs up massive iPhone 18 Pro Max battery rumoriPhone 18 Pro expected to be 40% more expensive to make than iPhone 17 ProEveryone at Apple is calling the foldable 'iPhone Ultra'Jefferies cuts AAPL target to $263.66, downgrades to UnderperformFirst hints emerge about how much extra Apple Intelligence features will costOpenAI's new hardware leaks: Over $300, same size as an Alexa DotNew ChatGPT version has a 'Think' button, will find 'more reliable facts'RAM shortages now affecting MacBook Air availabilityGenerative AI needs ethical leaders and to be controlled like nuclear power

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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

 • (00:00) - iPhone 18 Pro

 • (15:12) - iPhone Bendy

 • (17:20) - Jeffries Tube

 • (24:51) - Apple Intelligence cost and cameras

 • (36:04) - OpenAI's HomePod

 • (45:24) - RAM shortages

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iPhone Ultra, OpenAI's Alexa Dot, & AI costs on the AppleInsider Podcast

Someone has to pay for all this AI, nothing is foolproof, and Apple's lawsuit with OpenAI is only just beginning, all on the AppleInsider Podcast.

Contact your hosts:

@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
Links from the Show:

Apple AI compute costs will be covered by iCloud+ subscriptions, for nowMeta's Muse Code is yet another AI coding agent on macOSRAM production worldwide is sold out through 2027The world's RAM supply crisis is going to get worse before it gets betterWhy you should never put a hot iPhone in the fridge or freezerAnother iPhone 17 Pro plummets from plane, and found intactTilta Khronos iPhone 17 Pro Max photography kit reviewPSA: don't fall for the scam Uber email making the roundsGoogle Health now shares Fitbit workouts with Apple HealthWebKit leaks in iOS & macOS expose user data in spite of proxy useNew OpenAI post doesn't address Apple's IP theft claims at allConfidential Apple files followed former employees to OpenAI through iCloudApple demands OpenAI injunction, discovery, testimony now to prevent more harmApple's corporate espionage suit against OpenAI: How we got hereTelegram's takedown caused by planted porn & weaponized App Store policiesTelegram briefly disappeared from the Apple App Store due to CSAM2027 iPhone 18 rumors: Smaller Dynamic Island, 12GB or 9GB RAM, 2nm A20 chipiPhone Fold is on schedule for September after manufacturing problems are solvedStaff lottery reveals Apple's first-half September event plansApple's iPhone 18 Pro event won't be live, no matter what you've heard today
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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

More AppleInsider podcasts

Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

 • (00:00) - Apple Intelligence tokens

 • (19:35) - RAM crisis

 • (30:41) - Do not freeze your hot iPhone

 • (39:26) - Don't drop iPhones from planes

 • (44:53) - Email scams, Google Health, and OpenAI

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Paying for AI, freezing iPhones, & avoiding scams on the AppleInsider Podcast

The Apple Upgrade program has been revealed, so it's time to discuss what leasing your Apple products actually means. Plus, your hosts discuss Apple's plan to combat the chip shortage on the AppleInsider Podcast.

Contact your hosts:

@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
Sponsored by:

Claude by Anthropic • : Check out Claude and Claude Pro at 
Claude.ai/appleinsider
Links from the Show:

Apple Upgrade: What you're going to pay per month for iPhone, Mac, or iPadApple Upgrade goes live as a new installment plan for iPhone, iPad, Mac, & Apple WatchApple Upgrade will be great for Apple, might not be good for the buyerMicron urges White House to reject Apple's blacklist memory planUS senators urge Apple to abandon plans for Chinese-made chipsPublic distrust in smart glasses will be a challenge for Apple GlassApple's Home Hub & HomePod update may arrive as soon as OctoberTernus says he plans to build on the success of Apple TVNo major reset is coming as John Ternus prepares to take over AppleGame development diary: Launched, but far from finished
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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

 • (00:00) - Apple Upgrade

 • (19:34) - Apple and China

 • (37:45) - Apple Glasses and privacy

 • (46:23) - Apple Home Hub

 • (53:21) - Apple TV's future

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Leasing your iPhone, the new China problem, & Apple's future on the AppleInsider Podcast

The Hide My Email failure is real but nowhere near as significant as it’s being portrayed, plus Apple is raising so many prices yet looking at ways to make that palatable, plus Foxconn has begun its annual recruitment drive as it begins producing millions of new iPhones, all on the AppleInsider Podcast.

Contact your hosts:

@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
Sponsored by:

MasterClass • : Get 15% off annual memberships at 
MasterClass.com
Links from the Show:

Seven years after Apple Card, Samsung leaps into fintech with its own credit cardHide My Email class action lawsuit seeks payout without evidence of any attacksIt's easy to find a real email address behind Hide My Email, but it doesn't really matterHide My Email flaw still worked two weeks after Apple's claimed fixA fake Hide My Email header can expose the address behind your Apple Account • -- a different thing
Apple Music gets first U.S. price hike in four yearsIs Apple One worth it in summer 2026?AAPL capitalization squeaks past NVDA, Apple becomes world's most valuable companyApple's iPhone Upgrade Program was great while it lastedApple Upgrades will let users lease iPhones and Macs with KlarnaIt has begun: Foxconn amassing army of workers for iPhone 18 Pro assemblyUpgraded Mac Mini, Mac Studio, OLED iMac readied, release date hazyApple preps MacBook Pro, MacBook Neo refresh in bigger AI pushApple's $634M payment to Masimo now set in stone after Judge tosses appealCaleb Hammer on YouTube
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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

 • (00:00) - Intro

 • (02:49) - HIde My Email

 • (16:07) - Apple Services and price rises

 • (25:56) - Apple Upgrade

 • (42:09) - Masimo

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Hide My Email, price rises, Apple Upgrade, and mass iPhone production starts, on the AppleInsider Podcast

The already tense relationship between Apple and OpenAI reaches a breaking point as trade secret accusations emerge, plus your hosts discuss EU regulations, the future of gaming, and public betas on the AppleInsider Podcast.

Contact your hosts:

@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
Sponsored by:

CleanMyMac by MacPaw: • Get Tidy Today! Try 7 days free and use code APPLEINSIDER20 for 20% off at 
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Links from the Show:

Apple sues OpenAI & previous VP of product design over mass IP theftApple's corporate espionage suit against OpenAI isn't the firstOpenAI shrugs, denies responsibility for trade secret theft with vague statementsOpenAI's first hardware device will be a HomePod, but don't tell them thatOpenAI blames email mixup for why it didn't respond to Apple trade theft claimsEU regulations could force an Apple Pencil upgrade in early 2027Apple Watch, Meta Glasses, AirPods get reprieve from EU replaceable battery lawM6 era will last just six months as Apple pushes for AI-focused M7OLED iPad mini may still launch before the end of 2026Madden football returns to Mac for the first time in 19 yearsBig AI acquisitions are not off the table under new CEO John TernusFirst iOS 27, macOS 27 public betas are out, but you should still be careful
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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

 • (00:00) - Intro

 • (37:08) - EU and Apple Pencil

 • (45:45) - iPads

 • (50:10) - M6 and M7

 • (56:06) - Madden Football or something

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Apple sues OpenAI, public betas, & super apps on the AppleInsider Podcast

Rumors continue to go back and forth on whether the iPhone Fold will launch on time, plus there is now a question on if AirPods will get cameras at all. This and more on the AppleInsider Podcast.

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@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
Links from the Show:

Lower cost Apple Vision Pro may be dropped as Apple focuses on AIAirPods with cameras show up in iOS 27 beta codeAirPods with Cameras won't be coming any time soon after allFolding iPhone may launch in September, good luck getting it before 2027iPhone Fold delay rumor flip-flop continues, new leak says everything is on timeSamsung & Google want to upstage iPhone Fold debut, with earlier eventsiPhone 18 Pro Max may get significantly longer battery life after alliPhone Air 2 battery expected to hit 30 hours of use from a single chargeSiri AI is finally good, and Apple is going to win the AI warsNew in iOS 27 beta 3: Siri AI voice customization optionsApple is warning when your AI prompts go to Google's servers, just like with ChatGPTApple Home AI features locked behind 2TB iCloud+ plan'Widow's Bay' & 'Pluribus' lead Apple's record-breaking charge for 2026 Emmy AwardsTV show purchases on Apple TV are finally getting free 4K upgrades
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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

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Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

 • (00:00) - Intro

 • (01:10) - Time Capsule

 • (05:12) - Apple Vision Pro

 • (18:31) - AirPods with Cameras

 • (23:56) - iPhone Fold

 • (32:47) - iPhone 18 Pro Max

 • (36:59) - Siri AI

 • (52:38) - Apple Home AI

 • (57:49) - Apple TV 4K

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iPhone Fold, AirPods with cameras, & time capsules all in question on the AppleInsider Podcast

New leaks about the iPhone 18 Pro seem to be annoying Apple, while the guessing game continues over whether the iPhone Fold is coming in September, plus why we shouldn't be concerned about AirDrop, and definitely why we should not believe that the iPhone is the end of civilisation, on the AppleInsider Podcast.

Contact your hosts:

@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on emailWes on BlueskyWes Hilliard on emai • l
Wes's blog Hillitech
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Links from the Show:

Apple readying four iPad Pro models & entry M7 MacBook Pro for early 2027 releaseConfident Apple increases its iPhone Fold orders to 10 millioniPhone Fold expected to take 29% of 2026 foldable phone screen ordersiPhone 18 Pro leaks: Qualcomm or Apple C2 model, A20 details, camera upgradesNew AirDrop security flaws are significant, but aren't a giant threat Apple weighs buying RAM from two blacklisted Chinese suppliers to curb rising costs Stop us if you've heard this before: Apple Watch redesign will have new band attachment points Researchers scapegoat iPhone for declining US birthratesIf you wanted more AI in Apple's Creator Studio, Tuesday's update gives it to you New Final Cut Camera tries to be more useful for Mac users Apple Music's billions of streams, billions of dollars in fines, and one failure
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Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts

More AppleInsider podcasts

Tune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com

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iPhone 18 Pro leaks, AirDrop security, and iPhone Fold orders increase, on the AppleInsider Podcast

William and Victor are back to talk about Jony Ive leaving Apple, possible removal of lightning from iPhone, and a new hire working on ARM processors... maybe for Macs?

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Episode 241: Jony Ive leaves, no lightning for iPhone, and ARM Macs

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